---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/10/13: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:08 AM - Re: Aircamper for Sale (Charles Burkholder) 2. 07:33 AM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 3. 07:38 AM - Re: Aircamper for Sale (womenfly2) 4. 10:09 AM - Wood relaxation (Rick Holland) 5. 10:14 AM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Rick Holland) 6. 10:25 AM - Re: Wood relaxation (John Franklin) 7. 10:34 AM - Re: Wood relaxation (Rick Holland) 8. 11:02 AM - Re: Bob's Progress Report (coxwelljon) 9. 11:19 AM - Some GN-1 progress (coxwelljon) 10. 11:38 AM - GN-1 nose bowl for corvair (coxwelljon) 11. 12:15 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (nightmare) 12. 01:41 PM - Re: Some GN-1 progress (Rick Holland) 13. 02:00 PM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Andre Abreu) 14. 02:03 PM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Andre Abreu) 15. 03:52 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (Greg Cardinal) 16. 04:18 PM - Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router table (aerocarjake) 17. 06:25 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (Jack Phillips) 18. 07:07 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (M. Zeke Zechini) 19. 07:16 PM - New User & Potential Addict... (BritishJim) 20. 07:26 PM - Re: New User & Potential Addict... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 21. 07:28 PM - Re: New User & Potential Addict... (BritishJim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:46 AM PST US From: "Charles Burkholder" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper for Sale Is it in flying condition? cb ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Franklin" Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper for Sale > > Repeating from a few months ago, Jim Sury's GN-1 Aircamper is for sale. > It is powered by a Continental C-85 and he is asking $4000 OBO. > The plane has always been hangared and is presently at Prairie Aire, 4TA0, > Needville, TX. > Contact: Jim Sury, 832-595-4941 > You can see pics of the plane at: > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Sury%20GN1/pictures.htm > > Thanks, > John Franklin > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:29 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aireal photos of 6186L TmljZSBwaG90b3Mgb2YgeW91IGd1eXMgaW4gTm9ydGh3ZXN0IE9oaW8gIEFuZHJlLiAgIEdlb3Jn ZSBTa2lzdGFtYXMgd291bGQgYmUgcHJvdWTigKYuLg0KQXJlIHlvdSBndXlzIHN0aWxsIGJhc2Vk IG91dCBvZiBCb3dsaW5nIEdyZWVuPw0KDQpNaWtlIEMuDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper for Sale From: "womenfly2" Any info on the C-85? -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408341#408341 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation From: Rick Holland Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way? rh -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aireal photos of 6186L From: Rick Holland Looks like that front cockpit is more comfortable with the door left open. Especially with a heavy coat. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Andre Abreu wro te: > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* Ryan Weaver > *To:* tblsaci > *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2013 4:40 PM > *Subject:* [TBLSACI] Fwd: Urgent Bomb Drop Pictures Needed! > > > Here are a few things that Parker got including video of a tire going > flat on landing. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Parker Brainard* > Date: Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:11 AM > Subject: Re: Urgent Bomb Drop Pictures Needed! > To: Ryan Weaver > > > Here are a few stills i pulled. > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Parker Brainard > wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyToLWisavo&feature=youtu.be > > > -- > > Ryan Weaver > EAA Chapter 582 Vice-President > rweaver.prof@gmail.com > __._,_.___ > Reply via web post Reply > to sender > Reply > to group > Start > a New Topic Messages > in this topic(1) > Recent Activity: > > - New Members > 1 > > Visit Your Group > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > Switch to: Text-Only, > Daily Digest- > Unsubscribe - Terms > of Use - Send us > Feedback > > . > > __,_._,___ > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:53 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation Rick, Do you happen to have a link to that FAA document? A friend of mine was recently flying his Legal Eagle with the 1/2VW engine when his newly-installed wooden prop came off after shearing all the bolts. He had only torqued the bolts once after installation. Thanks, John F. Prairie Aire, 4TA0 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Sep 10, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way? rh -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation From: Rick Holland That is interesting, a fire-breathing 1/2 VW having enough torque to shear 4 bolts. But here is the link to the FAA document, (my DAR asked me to show him this during my airworthiness inspection btw). http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/23127 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:25 AM, John Franklin wrote: > > Rick, > > Do you happen to have a link to that FAA document? A friend of mine was > recently flying his Legal Eagle with the 1/2VW engine when his > newly-installed wooden prop came off after shearing all the bolts. He had > only torqued the bolts once after installation. > > Thanks, > John F. > Prairie Aire, 4TA0 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Holland > > Sent: Sep 10, 2013 12:08 PM > > To: pietenpol-list > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation > > > Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that > when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) > you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then > retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way? > > rh > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bob's Progress Report From: "coxwelljon" looks great Bob. Your shop is much cleaner than mine. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408371#408371 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Some GN-1 progress From: "coxwelljon" I have not posted for a while so I thought I would update with some pictures. Using a corvair engine with a non standard starter meant a different location for the alternator. Looked at a rear mount, even the new direct coupling to the harmonic balancer but my engine is too close to the firewall. Settled on a location low on the left side facing aft out of the cooling airstream. First shows the the mounting hardware which weighs in at 7 oz. Next shows the location. I am pretty happy with how it worked. Bracket is .080 4130 and has slotted holes so it can be added to a Dan 5th bearing without removing the ring gear. The spacer comes off of the lower bolt hole on the head and holds the other end of the alternator. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408372#408372 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/0829132306_477.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/0829132102_994.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 nose bowl for corvair From: "coxwelljon" I won a corvair nose bowl at the silent auction at Brodhead. It was cheap and I think a reject but made a great mold. I needed extra room for my starter setup and a little room for pulley clearance on the alternator. I had decided to use a pressure cowl rather than eyebrows but I kind of like the eyebrow look. I decided to incorporate that into the pressure cowl. The pic. following is what I came up with. I managed to get it off of the mold without destroying it or the mold and I am doing some finishing touches. It is currently baking at 120 deg. to stiffen up the epoxy and then a final coat of 2oz cloth and epoxy and it is ready to mount. last pic. shows the mold and the other two show the nose bowl set in place. When finished I will split it vertically so it will be easy to work from one side or the other to fit top cooling baffles. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408373#408373 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/0907131812_159.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/0907131811_547.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/0823131505_114.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood relaxation From: "nightmare" Great AC Rick. About 100 pages. Looks like a wealth of info. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408377#408377 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Some GN-1 progress From: Rick Holland Jon Nice work, also with the dynamo mounted lower than with WW's mount you should get more airflow into the right cylinders. rick On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:19 PM, coxwelljon wrote: > coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> > > I have not posted for a while so I thought I would update with some > pictures. > > Using a corvair engine with a non standard starter meant a different > location for the alternator. Looked at a rear mount, even the new direct > coupling to the harmonic balancer but my engine is too close to the > firewall. Settled on a location low on the left side facing aft out of the > cooling airstream. First shows the the mounting hardware which weighs in > at 7 oz. Next shows the location. I am pretty happy with how it worked. > Bracket is .080 4130 and has slotted holes so it can be added to a Dan 5th > bearing without removing the ring gear. The spacer comes off of the lower > bolt hole on the head and holds the other end of the alternator. > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408372#408372 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/0829132306_477.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/0829132102_994.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:08 PM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aireal photos of 6186L Either that or rolling in his grave. =0APlane is at TDZ now. =0A=0AAndy Ab reu ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:53 PM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aireal photos of 6186L It gets a little drafty when the door is open. =0AI don't know how any one would ever get in without a door. =0A=0AAndy Abreu ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:43 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts. There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached. It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bolts. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way? rh -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router table From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple, Spend the last couple sessions rounding over the tail pieces. To do this I did something I have been wanting to do for quite some time - modify my table saw wing/extension to mount my router. It took a good deal of time and effort with my angle grinder to remove the "ribs" on the underside but it was well worth it... Enjoy a couple images of the modified table saw and the parts after rounding over. (I bought my wings and tail "mostly completed" from another gentleman so I am mostly just having to refine them.) Enjoying the adventure... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408392#408392 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_underside_of_table_891.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_modified_for_router_underside_416.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_with_router_181.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag4453_1_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:57 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation Why would you put an airplane away in November? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts. There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached. It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bolts. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way? rh -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation From: "M. Zeke Zechini" Got checked out in my Piet in December. Great flying weather. Even better th is year with snappy, Douwe-inspired leather helmet. Sent from my iPad On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:25 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrot e: > Why would you put an airplane away in November? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation > > The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put aw ay for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. f or AN6 bolts. > There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville s pring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached. > > It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bo lts. > > Greg Cardinal > Minneapolis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Holland > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation > > Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that whe n checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you s hould loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way? > > rh > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New User & Potential Addict... From: "BritishJim" Hello all, I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I should be joining a ski forum?! I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was at AirVenture this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first time I saw my now wife. That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it. It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd drop by, say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?! I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would beat the open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet. It's tough. Convince me! All the best, Jim. -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408401#408401 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:23 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New User & Potential Addict... UNCLASSIFIED go get a flight in each one. The Piet is as close to a flying motorcycle as I have found. Steve d On 09/10/13, BritishJim wrote: > > Hello all, > > I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I should be joining a ski forum?! > > I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was at AirVenture this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first time I saw my now wife. > > That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it. > > It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd drop by, say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?! > > I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would beat the open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet. > > It's tough. Convince me! > > All the best, > Jim. > > -------- > Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408401#408401 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New User & Potential Addict... From: "BritishJim" Before I forget... I've got a bunch of questions. Is it acceptable for me to compile them into a single thread? I know some forums have different rules and I don't want to violate protocol! Jim. -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... 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