Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 09/12/13


Total Messages Posted: 24



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Peter W Johnson)
     2. 05:14 AM - Fw: senior discounts (airlion2@gmail.com)
     3. 05:22 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (nightmare)
     4. 05:45 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (Bill Church)
     5. 05:53 AM - Re: Some GN-1 progress (bdewenter)
     6. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Michael Perez)
     7. 07:25 AM - Re: Some GN-1 progress (coxwelljon)
     8. 07:43 AM - Prop for C-90? (tkreiner)
     9. 09:22 AM - Re: Wood relaxation (Kip and Beth Gardner)
    10. 09:40 AM - Model A Radiator Needed (Pietflyer1977)
    11. 10:25 AM - Re: New User.. (woodflier)
    12. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: New User.. (Michael Perez)
    13. 11:20 AM - Need email (danhelsper@aol.com)
    14. 11:55 AM - Re: Need email (Perry Rhoads)
    15. 01:25 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (Greg Cardinal)
    16. 02:03 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (AircamperN11MS)
    17. 04:33 PM - Cleveland wheels, brakes, axles and Turf Glides (Ryan M)
    18. 04:45 PM - Re: Prop for C-90? (dgaldrich)
    19. 05:15 PM - End of an era... (G Hansen)
    20. 05:36 PM - Re: End of an era... (Michael Orth)
    21. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Wood relaxation (Jack Phillips)
    22. 06:58 PM - Re: End of an era... (Jack Phillips)
    23. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: Wood relaxation (Dick N)
    24. 10:36 PM - Re: End of an era... (aerocarjake)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:25:26 AM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
    Joe, I built my Piet using the British PFA/LAA approved plans from Jim Wills. They include a fully enclosed leading edge using 1/16th ply. There are some pictures on my web site (http://www.cpc-world.com). Look at Page 9 under "Build Log" -> "Building Photographs". I had some problems bending the ply around the ribs but eventually managed to soak the ply over a small diameter pipe and used cargo straps to hold it in place until the glue dries. I had a ground loop soon after completion of the Piet and the wing hit a 5 inch fence post alongside the runway. The ply leading edge broke a little, I had to replace one bay, but the fence post sheared out of the ground and was left hanging on the fencing wires! The Piet wing with a full ply leading edge is definitely strong!!! Hope that helps. Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood --> <joseph.pringle@gmail.com> In looking at these pictures, I looks like most folks have used a solid, rounded leading edge that runs the whole length of the wing, and then butted the plywood up to it. However, in the picture Mike Perez posted, it looks like he just used a rounded rib tip, and wrapped ply around that. How many others have used that approach? Is this adequate? -------- Joe Pringle Atlanta, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408415#408415


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    Time: 05:14:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Fwd: senior discounts
    From: airlion2@gmail.com
    For all of you aging builders building vintage pietenpols. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: "Susan Mason" <susangmason@gmail.com> > Date: September 11, 2013, 8:32:01 PM EDT > To: "Gardiner Mason" <airlion2@gmail.com> > Subject: senior discounts > > This is from the PCN newsletter. I=99m not sure how accurate this li st is, but it=99s worth asking when you go any of these places!=93 S. > > As I was waiting in line behind an older gentleman at Wendy's > recently, I heard him ask for his senior discount. The girl at the > register apologized and charged him less. When I asked the man what > the discount was, he told me that seniors over age 55 gets 10% off > everything on the menu, every day. > > Being of 'that' age myself, I figured I might as well ask for the discou nt too. > > This incident prompted me to do some research, and I came across a > list of restaurants, supermarkets, department stores, travel deals and > other types of offers giving various discounts with different age > requirements. I was actually surprised to see how many there are and > how some of them start at the young age of 50 . > > This list may not only be useful for you, but for your friends and famil y too. > > Dunkin Donuts gives free coffee to people over 55 . If you're paying > for a cup every day, you might want to start getting it for FREE. > > YOU must ASK for your discount ! > > RESTAURANTS: > Applebee's: 15% off with Golden Apple Card (60+) > Arby's: 10% off ( 55 +) > Ben & Jerry's: 10% off (60+) > Bennigan's: discount varies by location (60+) > Bob's Big Boy: discount varies by location (60+) > BostonMarket: 10% off (65+) > Burger King: 10% off (60+) > Chick-Fil-A: 10% off or free small drink or coffee ( 55+) > Chili's: 10% off ( 55+) > CiCi's Pizza: 10% off (60+) > Denny's: 10% off, 20% off for AARP members ( 55 +) > Dunkin' Donuts: 10% off or free coffee ( 55+) > Einstein's Bagels: 10% off baker's dozen of bagels (60+) > Fuddrucker's: 10% off any senior platter ( 55+) > Gatti's Pizza: 10% off (60+) > Golden Corral: 10% off (60+) > Hardee's: $0.33 beverages everyday (65+) > IHOP: 10% off ( 55+) > Jack in the Box: up to 20% off ( 55+) > KFC: free small drink with any meal ( 55+) > Krispy Kreme: 10% off ( 50+) > Long John Silver's: various discounts at locations ( 55+) > McDonald's: discounts on coffee everyday ( 55+) > Mrs. Fields: 10% off at participating locations (60+) > Shoney's: 10% off Sonic: 10% off or free beverage (60+) > Steak 'n Shake: 10% off every Monday & Tuesday ( 50+) > Subway: 10% off (60+) > Sweet Tomatoes: 10% off (62+) > Taco Bell : 5% off; free beverages for seniors (65+) > TCBY: 10% off ( 55+) > Tea Room Cafe: 10% off ( 50+) > Village Inn: 10% off (60+) > Waffle House: 10% off every Monday (60+) > Wendy's: 10% off ( 55 +) > WhiteCastle: 10% off (62+) This is for me ... if I ever see one again. > > RETAIL & APPAREL : > Banana Republic: 30% off ( 50 +) > Bealls: 20% off first Tuesday of each month ( 50 +) > Belk's: 15% off first Tuesday of every month ( 55 +) > Big Lots: 30% off > Bon-Ton Department Stores: 15% off on senior discount days ( 55 +) > C.J. Banks: 10% off every Wednesday (50+) > Clarks: 10% off (62+) > Dress Barn: 20% off ( 55+) > Goodwill: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location) > Hallmark: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location) > Kmart: 40% off (Wednesdays only) ( 50+) > Kohl's: 15% off (60+) > Modell's Sporting Goods: 30% off > Rite Aid: 10% off on Tuesdays & 10% off prescriptions > Ross Stores: 10% off every Tuesday ( 55+) > The Salvation Army Thrift Stores: up to 50% off ( 55+) > Stein Mart: 20% off red dot/clearance items first Monday of every month ( 55 +) > > GROCERY : > Albertson's: 10% off first Wednesday of each month ( 55 +) > American Discount Stores: 10% off every Monday ( 50 +) > Compare Foods Supermarket: 10% off every Wednesday (60+) > DeCicco Family Markets: 5% off every Wednesday (60+) > Food Lion: 60% off every Monday (60+) > Fry's Supermarket: free Fry's VIP Club Membership & 10% off every > Monday ( 55 +) > Great Valu Food Store: 5% off every Tuesday (60+) > Gristedes Supermarket: 10% off every Tuesday (60+) > Harris Teeter: 5% off every Tuesday (60+) > Hy-Vee: 5% off one day a week (date varies by location) > Kroger: 10% off (date varies by location) > Morton Williams Supermarket: 5% off every Tuesday (60+) > The Plant Shed: 10% off every Tuesday ( 50 +) > Publix: 15% off every Wednesday ( 55 +) > RogersMarketplace: 5% off every Thursday (60+) > Uncle Guiseppe's Marketplace: 15% off (62+) > > TRAVEL : > Airlines: > AlaskaAirlines: 50% off (65+) ???? > American Airlines: various discounts for 50% off non-peak periods > (Tuesdays - Thursdays) (62+)and up (call before booking for discount) > Continental Airlines: no initiation fee for Continental Presidents > Club & special fares for select destinations > Southwest Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before > booking for discount) > United Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before > booking for discount) > U.S.Airways: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking > for discount) > > Rail: > Amtrak: 15% off (62+) > Bus: > Greyhound: 15% off (62+) > Trailways Transportation System: various discounts for ages 50+ > > Car Rental: > AlamoCar Rental: up to 25% off for AARP members > Avis: up to 25% off for AARP members > Budget Rental Cars: 40% off; up to 50% off for AARP members ( 50+) > Dollar Rent-A-Car: 10% off ( 50+) Enterprise Rent-A-Car: 5% off for > AARP members Hertz: up to 25% off for AARP members > National Rent-A-Car: up to 30% off for AARP members > > Overnight Accommodations: > Holiday Inn: 20-40% off depending on location (62+) > Best Western: 40% off (55+) > CambriaSuites: 20%-30% off (60+) > Waldorf Astoria - NYC $5,000 off nightly rate for Presidential Suite(55 + ) > Clarion Motels: 20%-30% off (60+) > Comfort Inn: 20%-30% off (60+) > Comfort Suites: 20%-30% off (60+) > Econo Lodge: 40% off (60+) > Hampton Inns & Suites: 40% off when booked 72 hours in advance > Hyatt Hotels: 25%-50% off (62+) > InterContinental Hotels Group: various discounts at all hotels (65+) > Mainstay Suites: 10% off with Mature Traveler's Discount (50+); > 20%-30% off (60+) > Marriott Hotels: 25% off (62+) > Motel 6: Stay Free Sunday nights (60+) > Myrtle BeachResort: 30% off ( 55 +) > Quality Inn: 40%-50% off (60+) > Rodeway Inn: 20%-30% off (60+) > Sleep Inn: 40% off (60+) > > ACTIVITIES & ENTERTAINMENT : > AMC Theaters: up to 30% off ( 55 +) > Bally Total Fitness: $100 off memberships (62+) > Busch Gardens Tampa, FL: $13 off one-day tickets ( 50 +) > Carmike Cinemas: 35% off (65+) > Cinemark/Century Theaters: up to 35% off > Massage Envy - NYC 20% off all "Happy Endings"(62 +) > U.S.National Parks: $10 lifetime pass; 50% off additional services > including camping (62+) > Regal Cinemas: 50% off Ripley's Believe it or Not: @ off one-day ticket ( 55 +) > SeaWorld, Orlando , FL : $3 off one-day tickets ( 50 +) > > CELL PHONE DISCOUNTS : > AT&T: Special Senior Nation 200 Plan $19.99/month (65+) > Jitterbug: $10/month cell phone service ( 50 +) > Verizon Wireless: Verizon Nationwide 65 Plus Plan $29.99/month (65+). > > MISCELLANEOUS: > Great Clips: $8 off hair cuts (60+) > Supercuts: $8 off haircuts (60+) > > NOW, go out there and claim your discounts - - - - and remember ---- > YOU must ASK for your discount ---- no ask, no discount > >


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    Time: 05:22:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    I did a combo of Mike's and orig. Solid leading edge to start then large lightening holes every 4 inches or so then wrapped ply around leading edge so also adheres to 1/4 inch of bottom rib cap strip. I like the idea of tying in the top and bottom of rib. No nails or staples used through out with exception of temporarily stapling leading edge with staples till dry. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408484#408484


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    Time: 05:45:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    One important distinction is that the leading edge of the Jim Wills wing has a full wrap of 1/16" ply IN ADDITION to the solid leading edge. I have no doubt that it would result in a very strong wing. The leading edge variation that is being discussed is one that uses a full wrap of ply, but does not have the solid leading edge beneath the plywood. The unknown quality of this variation will be it's resistance to impact (hangar rash), since a single layer of 1/16" ply likely will not tolerate much abuse. However, until the method has been tried, this is all speculation. Photos of Peter's and Michael's leading edges are attached, for comparison. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408486#408486 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/perezle_833.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0933_jpg_270.jpg


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    Time: 05:53:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Some GN-1 progress
    From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
    John, nice work. Your prop hub looks "custom"...Did you make it? Bob -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408487#408487


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    Time: 07:13:32 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
    I encourage anyone to take a piece of 1/16" plywood used for LE purposes an d secure it in a bend replicating a LE profile and whack it...with whatever they choose.- This can possibly be done in a vise.- I believe you will find that it is more than tough enough for the hangar environment.- To b e as real world accurate as possible, you may choose do this after soaking, pre-bending, mounting on a few mock ribs...=0A=0AMy method of making said LE is to soak the plywood and bend it around a small diameter pipe/tube. (I used about a 1" to 1-1/4" solid rod) Using refference lines and bending it straight/square, let it dry on the rod.- When it is removed and relaxes, it will fit nicely on the ribs.- Prior to soaking, you can bend the piec es in your hands to determine in which orientation they bend the easiest. M ake note to bend them this way once soaked and ready for bending on the rod .=0A=0AThese pieces are epoxied directly to the rib noses and ribs. The ply goes beyond the nose pieces and over the rib cap strips to tie the assembl y together.- I believe my LE is about 10" wide, so I have 10" worth of ep oxy, (T-88) on each rib, which equates to roughly 40" per LE panel.=0A=0AHa ving this modification complete, assembled, covered and painted, I am confi dent it it's strength and airworthiness.- But as noted many times in this thread and other LE threads, it is untested and unproven.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0A=0A=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HIN T Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:25:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Some GN-1 progress
    From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
    No, It is a Tennessee prop that came with my project. If it is not the right pitch I will probably try my hand at making one but that is down the road -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408494#408494


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    Time: 07:43:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Prop for C-90?
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Those of you with a C-90... what prop are you using, what diameter, and what pitch? My C-90 will be equipped with the -788 camshaft, which supposedly provides the highest torque to this engine. Any info will be appreciated. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408498#408498


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    Time: 09:22:19 AM PST US
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
    I grew up in MN & some years November would have been kinda late to put a plane away for the winter. Kip Gardner On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > > I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand > that. > > rh > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com > > wrote: > Why would you put an airplane away in November? > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation > > > The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was > put away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual > condition inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich > recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts. > > There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed > belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are > attached. > > > It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the > prop bolts. > > > Greg Cardinal > > Minneapolis > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick Holland > > To: pietenpol-list > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation > > > Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions > that when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 > hours they say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax > for an hour then retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do > it this way? > > > rh > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > >


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    Time: 09:40:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Model A Radiator Needed
    From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob@stoinoff.com>
    I am looking to buy a NEW never used Forest Lovely radiator for a Model A. If anyone has a extra one or one they decided not to use please PM me or call me at 812-932-9000 or 812-689-1254. Thanks. Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408507#408507


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    Time: 10:25:05 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: New User..
    From: woodflier <woodflier@aol.com>
    Jim, let me add my welcome. This is a great group, both the 'virtual' group from this list-serve, and those on the list I've met in person. Best of lu ck with your addiction. I built a Pietenpol over 11 years - it could have b een a lot less but life intervened. I also got my start flying gliders, and your experience with them will be a good foundation. Both gliders and Piet enpols are 'rudder' aircraft. I look forward to hearing of your progress. Matt Paxton NX629ML Fairfield, VA Time: 05:17:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New User & Potential Addict... From: "BritishJim" <james@pieceofcakepr.com> Great to meet you all. My only licensed experience is with gliders - 130 hours back in the UK. I'm certainly used to stick and rudder work. So that's two fun challenges - building the Piet and getting the license! -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground....


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    Time: 10:41:16 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: New User..
    Hello Jim.- I am currently somewhat in the same boat (plane) as you.- I am currently finishing up my plane build and working on my license.- Wel come aboard!=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0A=0A =0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakerae ro.com


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    Time: 11:20:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Need email
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    Anybody know Ernie Moreno's email? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN


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    Time: 11:55:51 AM PST US
    From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Need email
    here ya go: ewmoreno@minefiber.com ----- Original Message ----- From: danhelsper@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need email Anybody know Ernie Moreno's email? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09/12/13


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    Time: 01:25:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    The "Fun Factor" disappears quickly when the temp drops below 50 F. I stand in awe of the hardy individuals like Dick Navratil who fly year-round or Don Emch who puts his Piet on skis. I flew NX18235 on a 1 hour flight last November to it's winter home. The temp was 42 F. It was a nice flight but I'm glad it wasn't any longer. Greg Cardinal [quote="kipandbeth(at)earthlink.n"]I grew up in MN & some years November would have been kinda late to put a plane away for the winter. Kip Gardner On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote: [quote]|>Why would you put an airplane away in November? I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand that. rh On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: [quote] Why would you put an airplane away in November? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com (pietenpol-list@matronics.com) Subject: Re: Wood relaxation The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts. There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached. It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bolts. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis > > --- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408522#408522


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    Time: 02:03:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    My wife and I once made a one hour flight in 21 degree temp. When we landed she couldn't speak. Her jaw was frozen. We poured hot tea down her and when she could speak again her first words were. I'm flying home in Bobs plane. He has windows and a heater. We were pretty young back then. My new rule is, I don't go flying unless the temperature is at least as high as I am old. That would be 52 degrees this year. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408523#408523


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    Time: 04:33:30 PM PST US
    From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Cleveland wheels, brakes, axles and Turf Glides
    Cleveland wheels, brakes, axles and Turf Glides available, contact me off line if interested. Ryan


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    Time: 04:45:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Prop for C-90?
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    You could get a prop from an O-200 powered Cessna 150. It would give you a good benchmark to start from and they are probably available at a reasonable price. You could maybe borrow a spare from a flight school or someone who has their engine out for overhaul. You'd then know which way you wanted to go in terms of pitch/length at very little outlay of cash. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408529#408529


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    Time: 05:15:19 PM PST US
    From: "G Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: End of an era...
    Hello Group, This is to inform Pietenpol people everywhere that I have decided to retire my Pietenpol CF-AUN after nearly 43 years of fun flying. It is being donated to the Reynolds Alberta Museum at Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada. It will be preserved and perhaps some day will be on display. It has only 862 hours total time which is not very much when spread over such a long period. Basically, at this latitude we have perhaps 5 months per year that are reasonably comfortable for open cockpit airplanes; the other 7 months range from uncomfortable to downright miserable. This, plus the fact that I have always had other closed-cabin airplanes to fly, has resulted in the limited air time of my Pietenpol. Nevertheless, it has been in the family for a long time and I have many fond memories of my kids riding in it when they were quite small. My dad was always keen to climb into the front pit and go for a =9Cfly=9D=94even when he was over 80 years old! My son (now 51 years old) remembers going to a breakfast fly-in when he was about 12 and figuring that we had really arrived in high society when we landed on a paved runway! We have lots of good memories and lots of photos to activate them. I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an old friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done during a long life (I=99m in my 85th year). I still have a =9CWag-A-Bond=9D to fly and, while it doesn=99t have much of a cabin heater, it is still more comfortable than the Pietenpol when the weather turns cool. I flew it for the last time on Friday September 6, 2013 for 35 minutes. It was a beautiful autumn evening, the air was smooth and we (the Pietenpol and I) had a lovely flight. Another great memory... Hopefully all you Pietenpol owners and builders out there will enjoy your airplanes as much and for as long as I have enjoyed mine. Graham Hansen Camrose, Alberta, Canada


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    Time: 05:36:37 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Orth" <mosurf@xplornet.com>
    Subject: Re: End of an era...
    Graham, What a beautiful thing to say. >I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an old friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done during a long life (I=99m in my 85th year). Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: G Hansen Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: End of an era... Hello Group, This is to inform Pietenpol people everywhere that I have decided to retire my Pietenpol CF-AUN after nearly 43 years of fun flying. It is being donated to the Reynolds Alberta Museum at Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada. It will be preserved and perhaps some day will be on display. It has only 862 hours total time which is not very much when spread over such a long period. Basically, at this latitude we have perhaps 5 months per year that are reasonably comfortable for open cockpit airplanes; the other 7 months range from uncomfortable to downright miserable. This, plus the fact that I have always had other closed-cabin airplanes to fly, has resulted in the limited air time of my Pietenpol. Nevertheless, it has been in the family for a long time and I have many fond memories of my kids riding in it when they were quite small. My dad was always keen to climb into the front pit and go for a =9Cfly=9D=94even when he was over 80 years old! My son (now 51 years old) remembers going to a breakfast fly-in when he was about 12 and figuring that we had really arrived in high society when we landed on a paved runway! We have lots of good memories and lots of photos to activate them. I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an old friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done during a long life (I=99m in my 85th year). I still have a =9CWag-A-Bond=9D to fly and, while it doesn=99t have much of a cabin heater, it is still more comfortable than the Pietenpol when the weather turns cool. I flew it for the last time on Friday September 6, 2013 for 35 minutes. It was a beautiful autumn evening, the air was smooth and we (the Pietenpol and I) had a lovely flight. Another great memory... Hopefully all you Pietenpol owners and builders out there will enjoy your airplanes as much and for as long as I have enjoyed mine. Graham Hansen Camrose, Alberta, Canada No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09/12/13


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    Time: 06:43:01 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
    Let me rephrase the question: "Why would anyone live in a place where you can't fly all year?" Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood relaxation <gcardinal@comcast.net> The "Fun Factor" disappears quickly when the temp drops below 50 F. I stand in awe of the hardy individuals like Dick Navratil who fly year-round or Don Emch who puts his Piet on skis. I flew NX18235 on a 1 hour flight last November to it's winter home. The temp was 42 F. It was a nice flight but I'm glad it wasn't any longer. Greg Cardinal [quote="kipandbeth(at)earthlink.n"]I grew up in MN & some years November would have been kinda late to put a plane away for the winter. Kip Gardner On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote: [quote]|>Why would you put an airplane away in November? I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand that. rh On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: [quote] Why would you put an airplane away in November? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com (pietenpol-list@matronics.com) Subject: Re: Wood relaxation The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts. There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached. It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bolts. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis > > --- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408522#408522


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    Time: 06:58:57 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: End of an era...
    Beautiful, Graham. Thanks for posting. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G Hansen Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: End of an era... Hello Group, This is to inform Pietenpol people everywhere that I have decided to retire my Pietenpol CF-AUN after nearly 43 years of fun flying. It is being donated to the Reynolds Alberta Museum at Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada. It will be preserved and perhaps some day will be on display. It has only 862 hours total time which is not very much when spread over such a long period. Basically, at this latitude we have perhaps 5 months per year that are reasonably comfortable for open cockpit airplanes; the other 7 months range from uncomfortable to downright miserable. This, plus the fact that I have always had other closed-cabin airplanes to fly, has resulted in the limited air time of my Pietenpol. Nevertheless, it has been in the family for a long time and I have many fond memories of my kids riding in it when they were quite small. My dad was always keen to climb into the front pit and go for a "fly"-even when he was over 80 years old! My son (now 51 years old) remembers going to a breakfast fly-in when he was about 12 and figuring that we had really arrived in high society when we landed on a paved runway! We have lots of good memories and lots of photos to activate them. I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an old friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done during a long life (I'm in my 85th year). I still have a "Wag-A-Bond" to fly and, while it doesn't have much of a cabin heater, it is still more comfortable than the Pietenpol when the weather turns cool. I flew it for the last time on Friday September 6, 2013 for 35 minutes. It was a beautiful autumn evening, the air was smooth and we (the Pietenpol and I) had a lovely flight. Another great memory... Hopefully all you Pietenpol owners and builders out there will enjoy your airplanes as much and for as long as I have enjoyed mine. Graham Hansen Camrose, Alberta, Canada


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    Time: 07:28:14 PM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
    Why fly in winter? You have to try it to answer that question. The air is very amooth and the ice on lakes gives you lots of emergency landing strips. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood relaxation > <gcardinal@comcast.net> > > The "Fun Factor" disappears quickly when the temp drops below 50 F. I > stand in awe of the hardy individuals like Dick Navratil who fly > year-round or Don Emch who puts his Piet on skis. > I flew NX18235 on a 1 hour flight last November to it's winter home. The > temp was 42 F. It was a nice flight but I'm glad it wasn't any longer. > > Greg Cardinal > > [quote="kipandbeth(at)earthlink.n"]I grew up in MN & some years November > would have been kinda late to put a plane away for the winter. > > Kip Gardner > > On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > [quote]|>Why would you put an airplane away in November? > > I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand that. > > > rh > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > [quote] > Why would you put an airplane away in November? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com (pietenpol-list@matronics.com) > Subject: Re: Wood relaxation > > > The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put > away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition > inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of > 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts. > > There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville > spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached. > > > It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop > bolts. > > > Greg Cardinal > > Minneapolis > >> >> --- > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408522#408522 > > >


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    Time: 10:36:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: End of an era...
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Now THAT is inspiration. Thank you .....!!!!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408542#408542




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