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1. 07:22 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (tools)
2. 07:38 AM - Re: First Post (Bill Church)
3. 08:28 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (Jerry Dotson)
4. 08:29 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (Barry Davis)
5. 08:30 AM - Re: First Post (AircamperN11MS)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (AircamperN11MS)
7. 08:33 AM - First Post (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: First Post (AircamperN11MS)
9. 08:41 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (Gary Boothe)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: First Post (Jim Boyer)
11. 09:52 AM - Re: First Post (Rick Holland)
12. 11:14 AM - Re: First Post (taildrags)
13. 11:20 AM - Re: ebay Piet (taildrags)
14. 11:55 AM - Re: ebay Piet (Bill Church)
15. 01:30 PM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (TOM STINEMETZE)
16. 02:43 PM - Re: First Post (David)
17. 07:36 PM - Re: round tube wing struts (Larry Vetter)
18. 08:24 PM - Cont mount (John Greenlee)
19. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: round tube wing struts (Ken Bickers)
20. 09:13 PM - Re: round tube wing struts (taildrags)
21. 09:47 PM - Streamline plastic fairings (Gerry Holland)
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| Subject: | Re: New Engine to replace Corvair |
I just sprayed a mouthful of scotch (it's 4pm here...) when this post opened up!
Kinda expecting a engine debate starter, wondering if I was gonna see a pic
of a ford or a continental... Nicely done!
So you gonna change the gear too?
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Hey Dave,
Rather than spending a bunch of time searching ebay for the Bingelis books, why
don't you just order the set from EAA? $90 for all four books. Brand new.
One stop shopping. One shipping charge.
http://www.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: New Engine to replace Corvair |
I made a living 41 years working on heavy iron like that. These engines turn pretty
slow compared to aircraft or car engines. In the picture I post this engine
produced 4100 horsepower at 330 RPM and would make 2500 horsepower at 200 RPM.
It weighs 320,000# not counting the turbocharger and the 3 compressor cylinders.
Funny though I thought John had a replacement Continental or the like........suckered
me too!
Sorry about the big file. Already had it uploaded and did a preview when I realized
it.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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| Subject: | New Engine to replace Corvair |
I'm glad you got the aluminum valve covers!
Barry
Nx973bp
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair
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My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going
to install.
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John Francis
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Just how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I'm sure someone
on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes
this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of
old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: New Engine to replace Corvair |
Just how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I'm sure someone
on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes this
is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of old
Ferris Wheels for the main wheels?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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David=3B
It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection). Mea
nwhile=2C if you have kids involved and you want to start with something ta
ngible=2C I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before y
ou joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of lu
mber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the s
ection from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a grea
t feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit=2C and it's some
thing that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without worry
ing about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb and m
ake it into a swing=2C that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to the n
earest 1/32"... nothing is critical.
You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then whi
p together the mock-up with a brad gun=2C stapler=2C or drywall screws in a
jiffy. Won't even require glue joints=2C although you could use Gorilla o
r wood glue and really make it sturdy.
Latex paint=2C of course =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Opps, Still had the other thread on my mind while looking at this one. Bad Scott
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: New Engine to replace Corvair |
...and the hp will be similar.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:29 AM, "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:40 PM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair
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Hi Dave,
Welcome to the West Coast Piet Group. Yes and I have my Piet made entirely out
of Doug Fir except for plywood sheeting.
Cheers,
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
PS My Piet has yet to fly; hopefully this year though.
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The mock fuselage is a great idea, your kids will like helping you with it
and they can play with it after, they used mine for a sled in the winter.
rick
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
> David;
>
> It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection).
> Meanwhile, if you have kids involved and you want to start with something
> tangible, I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before
> you joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of
> lumber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the
> section from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a
> great feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit, and it's
> something that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without
> worrying about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb
> and make it into a swing, that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to
> the nearest 1/32"... nothing is critical.
>
> You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then
> whip together the mock-up with a brad gun, stapler, or drywall screws in a
> jiffy. Won't even require glue joints, although you could use Gorilla or
> wood glue and really make it sturdy.
>
> Latex paint, of course ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Great photo, Rick!! The thing even has a wing centersection!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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That one will never sell for what he has as a minimum bid ($9600). There are several
complete, flying Piets and GN-1s out there for that much or less.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Good luck to the seller.
Like Oscar suggested, for only a few dollars more, one could buy Doc Mosher's very
nice, well-built, flying Piet. Just sayin'...
Go to Barnstormers.com, and search "Pietenpol".
PIETENPOL AirCamper Neenah WI
PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER NEENAH WI $11,000 FLY RIGHT NOW Cont.65, Silver/blue, TT
75hrs incl engine overhaul. AHNC. Let's talk. Doc Mosher--920-727-1534 Contact
Donald A. Mosher - OSHKOSH AIR ASSOCIATES, Owner - located Neenah, WI USA
Telephone: 920-740-4350 . 920-727-1534 . Posted September 10, 2013
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: New Engine to replace Corvair |
"It's an inferior model but should be suitable for my purposes." I want to see
a photo of the prop.
Stinemetze
do not archive.
>>> "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com> 9/18/2013 7:39 PM >>>
My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going to
install.
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John Francis
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That's great! I think I could attach it to some ropes and let it hang from a
tree and the younger ones would love it.
I picked up the Engines book and the Construction Techniques books for $3
each on eBay. I have a very limited budget for this project. Not limited in
absolute amount as such, but "limited" as in it's a drip feed system :-)
Thanks again, Dave
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Post
The mock fuselage is a great idea, your kids will like helping you with it
and they can play with it after, they used mine for a sled in the winter.
rick
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
David;
It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection).
Meanwhile, if you have kids involved and you want to start with something
tangible, I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before
you joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of
lumber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the
section from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a
great feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit, and it's
something that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without
worrying about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb
and make it into a swing, that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to the
nearest 1/32"... nothing is critical.
You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then whip
together the mock-up with a brad gun, stapler, or drywall screws in a jiffy.
Won't even require glue joints, although you could use Gorilla or wood glue
and really make it sturdy.
Latex paint, of course ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: round tube wing struts |
Mine has round steel struts....is there an easier way to streamline them? I'm lazy
:?
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Hello Good People,
A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a Corvair.
He wants to install a Continental.
He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions for
mounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact me offline.
Advice is also appreciated.
Ezra Stiles
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| Subject: | Re: round tube wing struts |
I used balsa. I was able to find a source with 3/4" thick pieces. I laminated pairs
of those together then routed out a cove for the steel tube. It was an easy
project to shave the balsa into a streamlined shape. Key was buying a cheap
razor blade plane at the local hobby shop for 5 bucks or so. Regular planes don't
like balsa. Some varnish and then covered with fabric. Was easy and a lot
cheaper than buying streamlined.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Larry Vetter" <vetter@evertek.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: round tube wing struts |
There used to be an extruded plastic streamline tubing material that was made to
slide over round tubing and the ultralight guys used it for this very purpose.
I acquired some a number of years ago and it was test-flown on the prototype
Flying Squirrel, where it proved to be of some benefit in drag reduction and
cruise. I'll try to find out where I got it, but I want to say that it was
through Carlson or Sky-Tek.
Slipping some plastic extrusions over your round tubing struts and then securing
it in place is just about as simple and inexpensive as you're going to get.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Streamline plastic fairings |
Hi.
Some information at:
http://www.uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/streamlinedfairings/1.html
http://chrusion.com/BJ7/Streamline/fairings.html
I used these fairings on my cabanes and U/C legs.
Just slit them around trail edge with a Xacto type knife and slid over, fixing
with small aluminium brackets.
In truth not sure how much it improve things as the aircraft was well beyond a
brick aerodynamically regarding parasite drag.
Made me feel better!
Regards
Gerry
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