---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/19/13: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:22 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (tools) 2. 07:38 AM - Re: First Post (Bill Church) 3. 08:28 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (Jerry Dotson) 4. 08:29 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (Barry Davis) 5. 08:30 AM - Re: First Post (AircamperN11MS) 6. 08:31 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (AircamperN11MS) 7. 08:33 AM - First Post (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 08:34 AM - Re: First Post (AircamperN11MS) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (Gary Boothe) 10. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: First Post (Jim Boyer) 11. 09:52 AM - Re: First Post (Rick Holland) 12. 11:14 AM - Re: First Post (taildrags) 13. 11:20 AM - Re: ebay Piet (taildrags) 14. 11:55 AM - Re: ebay Piet (Bill Church) 15. 01:30 PM - Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (TOM STINEMETZE) 16. 02:43 PM - Re: First Post (David) 17. 07:36 PM - Re: round tube wing struts (Larry Vetter) 18. 08:24 PM - Cont mount (John Greenlee) 19. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: round tube wing struts (Ken Bickers) 20. 09:13 PM - Re: round tube wing struts (taildrags) 21. 09:47 PM - Streamline plastic fairings (Gerry Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair From: "tools" I just sprayed a mouthful of scotch (it's 4pm here...) when this post opened up! Kinda expecting a engine debate starter, wondering if I was gonna see a pic of a ford or a continental... Nicely done! So you gonna change the gear too? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408837#408837 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post From: "Bill Church" Hey Dave, Rather than spending a bunch of time searching ebay for the Bingelis books, why don't you just order the set from EAA? $90 for all four books. Brand new. One stop shopping. One shipping charge. http://www.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408839#408839 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair From: "Jerry Dotson" I made a living 41 years working on heavy iron like that. These engines turn pretty slow compared to aircraft or car engines. In the picture I post this engine produced 4100 horsepower at 330 RPM and would make 2500 horsepower at 200 RPM. It weighs 320,000# not counting the turbocharger and the 3 compressor cylinders. Funny though I thought John had a replacement Continental or the like........suckered me too! Sorry about the big file. Already had it uploaded and did a preview when I realized it. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408842#408842 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/4100_hp_dresser_rand_v_10_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:40 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair I'm glad you got the aluminum valve covers! Barry Nx973bp -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair --> My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going to install. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post From: "AircamperN11MS" Just how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I'm sure someone on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408844#408844 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair From: "AircamperN11MS" Just how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I'm sure someone on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408845#408845 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:34 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Post David=3B It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection). Mea nwhile=2C if you have kids involved and you want to start with something ta ngible=2C I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before y ou joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of lu mber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the s ection from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a grea t feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit=2C and it's some thing that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without worry ing about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb and m ake it into a swing=2C that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to the n earest 1/32"... nothing is critical. You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then whi p together the mock-up with a brad gun=2C stapler=2C or drywall screws in a jiffy. Won't even require glue joints=2C although you could use Gorilla o r wood glue and really make it sturdy. Latex paint=2C of course =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post From: "AircamperN11MS" Opps, Still had the other thread on my mind while looking at this one. Bad Scott -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408846#408846 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair From: Gary Boothe ...and the hp will be similar. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:29 AM, "Barry Davis" wrote: > > I'm glad you got the aluminum valve covers! > > Barry > Nx973bp > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:40 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair > > --> > > My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going > to install. > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:44 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post Hi Dave, Welcome to the West Coast Piet Group. Yes and I have my Piet made entirely out of Doug Fir except for plywood sheeting. Cheers, Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA PS My Piet has yet to fly; hopefully this year though. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Post From: Rick Holland The mock fuselage is a great idea, your kids will like helping you with it and they can play with it after, they used mine for a sled in the winter. rick On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > David; > > It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection). > Meanwhile, if you have kids involved and you want to start with something > tangible, I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before > you joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of > lumber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the > section from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a > great feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit, and it's > something that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without > worrying about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb > and make it into a swing, that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to > the nearest 1/32"... nothing is critical. > > You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then > whip together the mock-up with a brad gun, stapler, or drywall screws in a > jiffy. Won't even require glue joints, although you could use Gorilla or > wood glue and really make it sturdy. > > Latex paint, of course ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post From: "taildrags" Great photo, Rick!! The thing even has a wing centersection! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408860#408860 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ebay Piet From: "taildrags" That one will never sell for what he has as a minimum bid ($9600). There are several complete, flying Piets and GN-1s out there for that much or less. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408862#408862 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ebay Piet From: "Bill Church" Good luck to the seller. Like Oscar suggested, for only a few dollars more, one could buy Doc Mosher's very nice, well-built, flying Piet. Just sayin'... Go to Barnstormers.com, and search "Pietenpol". PIETENPOL AirCamper Neenah WI PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER NEENAH WI $11,000 FLY RIGHT NOW Cont.65, Silver/blue, TT 75hrs incl engine overhaul. AHNC. Let's talk. Doc Mosher--920-727-1534 Contact Donald A. Mosher - OSHKOSH AIR ASSOCIATES, Owner - located Neenah, WI USA Telephone: 920-740-4350 . 920-727-1534 . Posted September 10, 2013 Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408864#408864 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:35 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair "It's an inferior model but should be suitable for my purposes." I want to see a photo of the prop. Stinemetze do not archive. >>> "John Francis" 9/18/2013 7:39 PM >>> My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going to install. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:40 PM PST US From: "David" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Post That's great! I think I could attach it to some ropes and let it hang from a tree and the younger ones would love it. I picked up the Engines book and the Construction Techniques books for $3 each on eBay. I have a very limited budget for this project. Not limited in absolute amount as such, but "limited" as in it's a drip feed system :-) Thanks again, Dave _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Post The mock fuselage is a great idea, your kids will like helping you with it and they can play with it after, they used mine for a sled in the winter. rick On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: David; It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection). Meanwhile, if you have kids involved and you want to start with something tangible, I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before you joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of lumber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the section from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a great feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit, and it's something that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without worrying about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb and make it into a swing, that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to the nearest 1/32"... nothing is critical. You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then whip together the mock-up with a brad gun, stapler, or drywall screws in a jiffy. Won't even require glue joints, although you could use Gorilla or wood glue and really make it sturdy. Latex paint, of course ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts From: "Larry Vetter" Mine has round steel struts....is there an easier way to streamline them? I'm lazy :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408874#408874 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont mount From: John Greenlee Hello Good People, A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a Corvair. He wants to install a Continental. He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions for mounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact me offline. Advice is also appreciated. Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts From: Ken Bickers I used balsa. I was able to find a source with 3/4" thick pieces. I laminated pairs of those together then routed out a cove for the steel tube. It was an easy project to shave the balsa into a streamlined shape. Key was buying a cheap razor blade plane at the local hobby shop for 5 bucks or so. Regular planes don't like balsa. Some varnish and then covered with fabric. Was easy and a lot cheaper than buying streamlined. On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote: > > Mine has round steel struts....is there an easier way to streamline them? I'm lazy :? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408874#408874 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts From: "taildrags" There used to be an extruded plastic streamline tubing material that was made to slide over round tubing and the ultralight guys used it for this very purpose. I acquired some a number of years ago and it was test-flown on the prototype Flying Squirrel, where it proved to be of some benefit in drag reduction and cruise. I'll try to find out where I got it, but I want to say that it was through Carlson or Sky-Tek. Slipping some plastic extrusions over your round tubing struts and then securing it in place is just about as simple and inexpensive as you're going to get. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408878#408878 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Streamline plastic fairings From: Gerry Holland Hi. Some information at: http://www.uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm http://www.ultralightnews.ca/streamlinedfairings/1.html http://chrusion.com/BJ7/Streamline/fairings.html I used these fairings on my cabanes and U/C legs. Just slit them around trail edge with a Xacto type knife and slid over, fixing with small aluminium brackets. In truth not sure how much it improve things as the aircraft was well beyond a brick aerodynamically regarding parasite drag. Made me feel better! 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