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1. 02:43 AM - Re: Cont mount (Jack Phillips)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: Cont mount (pineymb)
3. 08:26 AM - Streamline plastic fairings (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 08:43 AM - question for Oscar (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
5. 09:49 AM - Renter's Insurance (Michael Perez)
6. 09:54 AM - Re: Renter's Insurance (Steven Dortch)
7. 09:59 AM - Re: Streamline plastic fairings (Steven Dortch)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: Renter's Insurance (John Franklin)
9. 11:26 AM - Re: Streamline plastic fairings (Mario Giacummo)
10. 11:44 AM - Re: round tube wing struts (Bill Church)
11. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ray Krause)
12. 01:47 PM - Re: Renter's Insurance (Charles Burkholder)
13. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (shad bell)
14. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ryan Mueller)
15. 05:11 PM - Re: Cont mount (GNflyer)
16. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ray Krause)
17. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ray Krause)
18. 09:55 PM - =?utf-8?Q?4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? (Ray Krause)
19. 09:58 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? (Ray Krause)
20. 10:01 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? (Ray Krause)
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Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a
mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I
think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Greenlee
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont mount
<jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net>
Hello Good People,
A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a
Corvair. He wants to install a Continental.
He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions
for mounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact
me offline. Advice is also appreciated.
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
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Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including
A, C, and O-200.
A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for
W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions.
jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a
> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I
> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Subject: | Streamline plastic fairings |
Gerry=3B
Yes=2C that is exactly the stuff. Extruded plastic sleeves that slip on ov
er round tubing. The Flying Squirrel has two sizes of wing strut tubing=2C
main and drag=2C so there are four struts and they are roughly the same le
ngth as the ones on the Piet. In testing=2C the prototype picked up 5-7 MP
H in top speed after adding the streamline sleeves over the round 4130 stee
l struts. That seems to agree with the claims made on the ultralight websi
tes that you provided links to.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | question for Oscar |
Oscar,
You've got a Pietenpol Aircamper that was built by Corky yes? You've got a
brand new A75 engine on that beauty but you call it a 'Scout' ? Is that
just a nickname since Scouts are all
single place Pietenpols. Just curious.
Also give us an update please! You're planning all of these cool trips for
next year but are you making progress in getting NX41CC back together?
You have got to be chomping at the bit
to fly her again. Sorry for being so nosey but more flying stories please!
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject: | Renter's Insurance |
The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I
would like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I
should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc.- Tha
nks for your input.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMicha
el Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Renter's Insurance |
Renters insurance for your plane, self, Car, House?
Steve D
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's
> insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look
> into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should
> receive, etc. Thanks for your input.
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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Subject: | Re: Streamline plastic fairings |
Dave Rogers, the gentleman/aerodynamacist who answered about the prop
scallops, says round protrusions from aircraft (antennas or struts) are
very draggy. A round antenna has much more drag than a Blade antenna, even
though they have the same thickness. This is due to the turbulance created.
(remember you put them on so that they cut through the air, not
sideways.) Based on that, streamlining of struts and wires should add to
speed.
Be careful you may get so much speed that you cruse at VNE!
Blue Skies,
Steve "Unclassified" D
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Subject: | Re: Renter's Insurance |
Michael,
What a coincidence, I just started flying again yesterday after getting my PPL
back in the '70's. I rented an LSA Tecnam (similar to a Cessna 150) and went
with a CFI. All went well but he did tell me that I would have to have renters'
insurance plus buy my own headset. Those are both new requirements for an
old-timer like me. Anyway, I got a quote from Avenco for about $200-$250 per
year and a glance at the EAA website showed their prices to be about the same.
Of course you can buy more liability for more $$. I'll probably go with EAA
as I'm a member and like to support them.
Regards,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Sep 20, 2013 11:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance
The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I would
like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I should
avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc. Thanks for your
input.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Streamline plastic fairings |
dont you saw this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=ftq8jTQ8ANE
El 20/09/2013 14:00, "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> escribi=F3
:
Dave Rogers, the gentleman/aerodynamacist who answered about the prop
scallops, says round protrusions from aircraft (antennas or struts) are
very draggy. A round antenna has much more drag than a Blade antenna, even
though they have the same thickness. This is due to the turbulance created.
(remember you put them on so that they cut through the air, not
sideways.) Based on that, streamlining of struts and wires should add to
speed.
Be careful you may get so much speed that you cruse at VNE!
Blue Skies,
Steve "Unclassified" D
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Subject: | Re: round tube wing struts |
Regarding the drag induced by round tubing, and the benefits of streamlining, check
out this article.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50119&highlight=streamline
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408904#408904
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Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol),
too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight
out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only option.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" <airltd@mts.net> wrote:
>
> Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines
including A, C, and O-200.
>
> A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for
W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions.
>
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> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
>> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a
>> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I
>> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>> --
>
>
> --------
> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888
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Subject: | Re: Renter's Insurance |
I have a renters insurance policy from avemco back from my flight
training. I pay $370 yr for minimum liability and $25,000 hull coverage.
I'm surprised at all they cover but they cover pretty much everything
with it. Taildraggers, low-time pilots etc
www.avemco.com/NonOwned/Features.aspx
CB
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance
The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's
insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should
look into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should
receive, etc. Thanks for your input.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: New Engine to replace Corvair |
It would need a prop carved out of a 2000 year old redwood, and Paul Bunyan
to carve it!( or a scaled up Dan Helsper)=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A___________
_____________________=0AFrom: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>=0AT
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:31
AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair=0A=0A=0A--
org>=0A=0AJust how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I'
m sure someone on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide
dimensions. Yes this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we
use a couple of old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels?=0A=0A--------=0AScot
t Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Whe
els=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp
://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408845#408845=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Preferable to use to use the less effective method to resolve a CG
issue, eh?
Remember, lengthening the mount 2" only moves the weight of the engine
forward relative to datum. Moving the wing back 2" moves the weight of
the engine and the entire fuselage (and it's contents) forward. More
bang for your buck, less ant-eater.
Ryan
On 9/20/2013 3:27 PM, Ray Krause wrote:
>
> Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol),
too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight
out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only
option.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" <airltd@mts.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines
including A, C, and O-200.
>>
>> A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for
W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
>>> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a
>>> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I
>>> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that.
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>> NX899JP
>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> --------
>> Adrian M
>> Winnipeg, MB
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888
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what about making a set of spacer spools between the firewall and mount to get
the same thing done if you ended up needing the weight shift? I realize that
would not necessarily mean the cowl would still work but it could allow for some
trial offset of thrust as well without a lot of extra work except longer bolt
to do some weighing.Raymond
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408912#408912
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Ryan,
Your ant-eater comment really hit home! I have seen this on other Pietenpol planes
and don't really like it. Guess I will just follow the mount plans I received
with the Piet plans. Guess I could always figure a work-around if needs be.
Thanks,
Ray
PS. Somewhere I saw a picture of a Scout with an extended mount. If I can find
it, I will try to send it out.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org> wrote:
>
>
> Preferable to use to use the less effective method to resolve a CG issue, eh?
>
> Remember, lengthening the mount 2" only moves the weight of the engine forward
relative to datum. Moving the wing back 2" moves the weight of the engine and
the entire fuselage (and it's contents) forward. More bang for your buck, less
ant-eater.
>
> Ryan
>
>> On 9/20/2013 3:27 PM, Ray Krause wrote:
>>
>> Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol),
too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight
out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only
option.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>> SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" <airltd@mts.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines
including A, C, and O-200.
>>>
>>> A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show
for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
>>>> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a
>>>> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I
>>>> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that.
>>>>
>>>> Jack Phillips
>>>> NX899JP
>>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Adrian M
>>> Winnipeg, MB
>>> Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888
>
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This could be a viable work-around if I end up needing it.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "GNflyer" <rayeh48@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> what about making a set of spacer spools between the firewall and mount to get
the same thing done if you ended up needing the weight shift? I realize that
would not necessarily mean the cowl would still work but it could allow for
some trial offset of thrust as well without a lot of extra work except longer
bolt to do some weighing.Raymond
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408912#408912
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Subject: | =?utf-8?Q?4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? |
Ryan,
This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for
a heavy Cont engine.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg
Sent from my iPad
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Subject: | Re: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? |
Actually, I don't know what engine that is, Franklin? There must be some lead in
the tail!
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for
a heavy Cont engine.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg
>
>
> <Attachment-1.jpeg>
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>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Subject: | Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? |
The cabanes also seem to be tilted back a lot.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for
a heavy Cont engine.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg
>
>
> <Attachment-1.jpeg>
>
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>
> Sent from my iPad
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
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