---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/20/13: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:43 AM - Re: Cont mount (Jack Phillips) 2. 05:06 AM - Re: Cont mount (pineymb) 3. 08:26 AM - Streamline plastic fairings (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 08:43 AM - question for Oscar (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 5. 09:49 AM - Renter's Insurance (Michael Perez) 6. 09:54 AM - Re: Renter's Insurance (Steven Dortch) 7. 09:59 AM - Re: Streamline plastic fairings (Steven Dortch) 8. 10:11 AM - Re: Renter's Insurance (John Franklin) 9. 11:26 AM - Re: Streamline plastic fairings (Mario Giacummo) 10. 11:44 AM - Re: round tube wing struts (Bill Church) 11. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ray Krause) 12. 01:47 PM - Re: Renter's Insurance (Charles Burkholder) 13. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair (shad bell) 14. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ryan Mueller) 15. 05:11 PM - Re: Cont mount (GNflyer) 16. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ray Krause) 17. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: Cont mount (Ray Krause) 18. 09:55 PM - =?utf-8?Q?4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? (Ray Krause) 19. 09:58 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? (Ray Krause) 20. 10:01 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:44 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont mount Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont mount Hello Good People, A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a Corvair. He wants to install a Continental. He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions for mounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact me offline. Advice is also appreciated. Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont mount From: "pineymb" Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: > Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a > mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I > think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -- -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:59 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Streamline plastic fairings Gerry=3B Yes=2C that is exactly the stuff. Extruded plastic sleeves that slip on ov er round tubing. The Flying Squirrel has two sizes of wing strut tubing=2C main and drag=2C so there are four struts and they are roughly the same le ngth as the ones on the Piet. In testing=2C the prototype picked up 5-7 MP H in top speed after adding the streamline sleeves over the round 4130 stee l struts. That seems to agree with the claims made on the ultralight websi tes that you provided links to. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:58 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: question for Oscar Oscar, You've got a Pietenpol Aircamper that was built by Corky yes? You've got a brand new A75 engine on that beauty but you call it a 'Scout' ? Is that just a nickname since Scouts are all single place Pietenpols. Just curious. Also give us an update please! You're planning all of these cool trips for next year but are you making progress in getting NX41CC back together? You have got to be chomping at the bit to fly her again. Sorry for being so nosey but more flying stories please! Mike C. in Ohio [cid:image001.jpg@01CEB5F6.9FF26BD0] ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc.- Tha nks for your input.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMicha el Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance From: Steven Dortch Renters insurance for your plane, self, Car, House? Steve D On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's > insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look > into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should > receive, etc. Thanks for your input. > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Streamline plastic fairings From: Steven Dortch Dave Rogers, the gentleman/aerodynamacist who answered about the prop scallops, says round protrusions from aircraft (antennas or struts) are very draggy. A round antenna has much more drag than a Blade antenna, even though they have the same thickness. This is due to the turbulance created. (remember you put them on so that they cut through the air, not sideways.) Based on that, streamlining of struts and wires should add to speed. Be careful you may get so much speed that you cruse at VNE! Blue Skies, Steve "Unclassified" D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:32 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance Michael, What a coincidence, I just started flying again yesterday after getting my PPL back in the '70's. I rented an LSA Tecnam (similar to a Cessna 150) and went with a CFI. All went well but he did tell me that I would have to have renters' insurance plus buy my own headset. Those are both new requirements for an old-timer like me. Anyway, I got a quote from Avenco for about $200-$250 per year and a glance at the EAA website showed their prices to be about the same. Of course you can buy more liability for more $$. I'll probably go with EAA as I'm a member and like to support them. Regards, John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Sep 20, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc. Thanks for your input. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Streamline plastic fairings From: Mario Giacummo dont you saw this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=ftq8jTQ8ANE El 20/09/2013 14:00, "Steven Dortch" escribi=F3 : Dave Rogers, the gentleman/aerodynamacist who answered about the prop scallops, says round protrusions from aircraft (antennas or struts) are very draggy. A round antenna has much more drag than a Blade antenna, even though they have the same thickness. This is due to the turbulance created. (remember you put them on so that they cut through the air, not sideways.) Based on that, streamlining of struts and wires should add to speed. Be careful you may get so much speed that you cruse at VNE! Blue Skies, Steve "Unclassified" D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts From: "Bill Church" Regarding the drag induced by round tubing, and the benefits of streamlining, check out this article. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50119&highlight=streamline Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408904#408904 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:26 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont mount Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol), too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only option. Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank. Sent from my iPad On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" wrote: > > Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. > > A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. > > > > > > > > > > > > jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: >> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a >> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I >> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> -- > > > -------- > Adrian M > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:48 PM PST US From: "Charles Burkholder" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance I have a renters insurance policy from avemco back from my flight training. I pay $370 yr for minimum liability and $25,000 hull coverage. I'm surprised at all they cover but they cover pretty much everything with it. Taildraggers, low-time pilots etc www.avemco.com/NonOwned/Features.aspx CB ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc. Thanks for your input. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:32 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair It would need a prop carved out of a 2000 year old redwood, and Paul Bunyan to carve it!( or a scaled up Dan Helsper)=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A___________ _____________________=0AFrom: AircamperN11MS =0AT o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:31 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair=0A=0A=0A-- org>=0A=0AJust how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I' m sure someone on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels?=0A=0A--------=0AScot t Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Whe els=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp ://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408845#408845=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ================ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:40 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont mount Preferable to use to use the less effective method to resolve a CG issue, eh? Remember, lengthening the mount 2" only moves the weight of the engine forward relative to datum. Moving the wing back 2" moves the weight of the engine and the entire fuselage (and it's contents) forward. More bang for your buck, less ant-eater. Ryan On 9/20/2013 3:27 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol), too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only option. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" wrote: > >> >> Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. >> >> A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: >>> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a >>> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I >>> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. >>> >>> Jack Phillips >>> NX899JP >>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >>> >>> -- >> >> -------- >> Adrian M >> Winnipeg, MB >> Canada >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont mount From: "GNflyer" what about making a set of spacer spools between the firewall and mount to get the same thing done if you ended up needing the weight shift? I realize that would not necessarily mean the cowl would still work but it could allow for some trial offset of thrust as well without a lot of extra work except longer bolt to do some weighing.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408912#408912 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:08 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont mount Ryan, Your ant-eater comment really hit home! I have seen this on other Pietenpol planes and don't really like it. Guess I will just follow the mount plans I received with the Piet plans. Guess I could always figure a work-around if needs be. Thanks, Ray PS. Somewhere I saw a picture of a Scout with an extended mount. If I can find it, I will try to send it out. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > > Preferable to use to use the less effective method to resolve a CG issue, eh? > > Remember, lengthening the mount 2" only moves the weight of the engine forward relative to datum. Moving the wing back 2" moves the weight of the engine and the entire fuselage (and it's contents) forward. More bang for your buck, less ant-eater. > > Ryan > >> On 9/20/2013 3:27 PM, Ray Krause wrote: >> >> Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol), too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only option. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" wrote: >>> >>> >>> Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. >>> >>> A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: >>>> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a >>>> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I >>>> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. >>>> >>>> Jack Phillips >>>> NX899JP >>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> -------- >>> Adrian M >>> Winnipeg, MB >>> Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:31 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont mount This could be a viable work-around if I end up needing it. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "GNflyer" wrote: > > > what about making a set of spacer spools between the firewall and mount to get the same thing done if you ended up needing the weight shift? I realize that would not necessarily mean the cowl would still work but it could allow for some trial offset of thrust as well without a lot of extra work except longer bolt to do some weighing.Raymond > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408912#408912 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: =?utf-8?Q?4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? From: Ray Krause Ryan, This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. Thanks, Ray Krause http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg Sent from my iPad
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:34 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Pietenpol-List: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? Actually, I don't know what engine that is, Franklin? There must be some lead in the tail! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Ryan, > > This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:00 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels? The cabanes also seem to be tilted back a lot. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Ryan, > > This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > 

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