---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/24/13: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:37 AM - Autumn Flt (TriScout) 2. 06:00 AM - side project (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Autumn Flt (AircamperN11MS) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: Autumn Flt (bdewenter) 5. 06:21 AM - Re: side project (Gary Boothe) 6. 07:05 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE (AircamperN11MS) 7. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE (Gary Boothe) 8. 07:11 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE (AircamperN11MS) 9. 09:49 AM - any aerodynamicists out there? (Douwe Blumberg) 10. 10:24 AM - Re: side project (Don Emch) 11. 10:25 AM - Re: Propeller (danhelsper@aol.com) 12. 12:05 PM - Re: Autumn Flt (Jim Boyer) 13. 12:28 PM - Re: Autumn Flt (AircamperN11MS) 14. 01:04 PM - Re: just right--- 85 years running (regchief) 15. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: just right--- 85 years running (Ken Bickers) 16. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: just right--- 85 years running (Rick Holland) 17. 05:27 PM - Re: side project (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 18. 08:30 PM - Re: side project (dwilson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Autumn Flt From: "TriScout" It was an awesome day in Texas for flying the GN-1. It will be all week. I got this close up of a buzzard off my wing tip.. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409117#409117 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bird_644.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:52 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: side project Hey all, For fun, I'm building an experimental high-mileage vehicle. It'll be a motor powered recumbent trike type of thing with an aerodynamic fairing. I'm trying to figure out a simple, low profile front suspension (two steering wheels in front). The thing won't go faster than 50mpg so it doesn't need to be great, just sturdy. I got to thinking of a flat spring aluminum plate that would have some spring in it, kind of like a Cessna gear and wondered if anyone knew anything about how to get spring temper in a thick aluminum plate/bar? Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Autumn Flt From: "AircamperN11MS" He probably thought you were his mommy flying around. He kinda looks lost. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409120#409120 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Autumn Flt From: "bdewenter" Buzzard? Shoot, where I come from we call them critters "mosquitoes" -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409121#409121 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:01 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side project =93I knew a guy=85=94 Seriously, I knew a guy who was building a Zenith 601 HDS and modifying the plans gear to an aluminum spring gear=85like a Cessna. He used =BD=94 6061 and merely bent it in a press. He flew off the Phase 1 testing, but sold the plane sometime after that. All was working good when he sold it. He claimed that there was no heat treating and that the gear merely relies on its mass to withstand any landing pressures. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side project Hey all, For fun, I=92m building an experimental high-mileage vehicle. It=92ll be a motor powered recumbent trike type of thing with an aerodynamic fairing. I=92m trying to figure out a simple, low profile front suspension (two steering wheels in front). The thing won=92t go faster than 50mpg so it doesn=92t need to be great, just sturdy. I got to thinking of a flat spring aluminum plate that would have some spring in it, kind of like a Cessna gear and wondered if anyone knew anything about how to get spring temper in a thick aluminum plate/bar? Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE From: "AircamperN11MS" Really Gary, No questions??? I will try anyway. What is the current wingspan on your Pietenpol? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409127#409127 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:04 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE It is currently 29', but I have a wing stretcher employed and hope to gain another foot or so... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE --> Really Gary, No questions??? I will try anyway. What is the current wingspan on your Pietenpol? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409127#409127 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE From: "AircamperN11MS" I couldn't resist and knew you had the answer? Have a great day. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409129#409129 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:55 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: any aerodynamicists out there? Hey, I have some aerodynamic questions about my new project and know we have a few very knowledgeable aerodynamicists out there. Would anyone with specialized knowledge contact me offline so I could run my quandries by an expert? Thanks!! Douwe douweblumberg@earthlink.net 805 573 3564 cell in KY ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: side project From: "Don Emch" Douwe, I've had an interest in something like that too. Check out www.cyclekarts.com. Those guys use horse buggy seat springs that are available online. Steel, but should be fairly lightweight. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409136#409136 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propeller From: danhelsper@aol.com He is fast.....very fast! -----Original Message----- From: Ray Krause Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2013 10:43 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propeller Gary, How fast do you carve those props? Is your plane back together already? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:01 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: Jim, For either show, or actual use, you could do either =C2=BE=9D or =C2 =BD=9D laminations. =C2=BD=9D or smaller may look better. Board s of any grain pattern will work. Attached image is of #4, for my Piet, and is =C2=BD=9D laminations of poplar. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Birke Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller We are building an air camper for display only and are thinking of building our own propeller. It would probably be made of clear white pine. Has anyo ne posted a drawing showing the shape of the laminations required to to lay on up or, is there a site that I can go to to find this information? Thanks. Jim Birke Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group Niagara Falls NY. =====================http://www.m at=====================http://for ums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site -Matt Dralle, href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronic s.com/c ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:39 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Autumn Flt You must have been trying to pass him from that look he gave you. Jim ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Autumn Flt From: "AircamperN11MS" I don't know how I missed the obvious? Where did you find the Black and White film? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409142#409142 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: just right--- 85 years running From: "regchief" Who is going to be flying out of meadowlake, Ken, or Rick. Either way, I would love to see a Piet fly, and I am in Pueblo. Shoot me a line if you could. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409146#409146 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: just right--- 85 years running From: Ken Bickers Kelly, I'm based in Longmont. I'm several months, maybe more, from being ready to fly mine. Rick's Piet is based in Meadow Lake. He's received his paperwork. I don't know how close he is to actually flying. There's also Jack Griener's Piet based at the Antique Airfield just outside of Longmont. I haven't seen that one fly for awhile, but I know there are at least a couple of people flying it occasionally. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, regchief wrote: > > Who is going to be flying out of meadowlake, Ken, or Rick. Either way, I > would love to see a Piet fly, and I am in Pueblo. Shoot me a line if you > could. > > Kelly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409146#409146 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: just right--- 85 years running From: Rick Holland Kelly I am at Meadow Lake and just got my AW, ain't flying yet, just taxiing around and getting ready for the first. Can come up to check it out and talk anytime. rick holland at7000ft@gmail.com On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM, regchief wrote: > > Who is going to be flying out of meadowlake, Ken, or Rick. Either way, I > would love to see a Piet fly, and I am in Pueblo. Shoot me a line if you > could. > > Kelly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409146#409146 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:07 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side project Google =9COptima Rhino=9D for a trike front suspension using a pivot and cane creek shock absorbers. I know its not what you were asking, but Grove Aircraft might be a source of info. Also, the PDQ-2 airplane which was designed by Wayne Ison in the 70=99s was a square 2=9D aluminum tube ultralight before there were such things, used a bent flat spring of 6061 T6 aluminum which was about 3/4=9D thick. Hope this helps. By the way, Rich Richardson used to build an aluminum trike, the design is now being made available by googleing Rontor trikes for spindle designs. Dennis From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side project Hey all, For fun, I=99m building an experimental high-mileage vehicle. It=99ll be a motor powered recumbent trike type of thing with an aerodynamic fairing. I=99m trying to figure out a simple, low profile front suspension (two steering wheels in front). The thing won=99t go faster than 50mpg so it doesn=99t need to be great, just sturdy. I got to thinking of a flat spring aluminum plate that would have some spring in it, kind of like a Cessna gear and wondered if anyone knew anything about how to get spring temper in a thick aluminum plate/bar? Douwe ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: side project From: "dwilson" Douwe, Read your post and the image that jumped into my mind was the three wheel Vespa. Check out vespausa.com and look at the independent front suspension on their three wheeler. Way Cool ! 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