---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/26/13: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (nightmare) 2. 05:26 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (AircamperN11MS) 3. 05:34 AM - Re: A modest proposal (nightmare) 4. 08:47 AM - Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. (taildrags) 5. 08:52 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (nightmare) 6. 08:52 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (nightmare) 7. 09:05 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (AircamperN11MS) 8. 09:29 AM - Re: FAA Inspection.... (Chris Rusch) 9. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: FAA Inspection.... (Rick Holland) 10. 09:56 AM - Two new FAA Airworthiness Inspections!!! Congratulations! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: FAA Inspection.... (Gary Boothe) 12. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: FAA Inspection.... (Jack) 13. 01:27 PM - Re: FAA Inspection.... (taildrags) 14. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: FAA Inspection.... (Gary Boothe) 15. 02:24 PM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (nightmare) 16. 03:43 PM - Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. (taildrags) 17. 06:13 PM - Re: just right--- 85 years running (regchief) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "nightmare" Thanks Curt. Just what I was looking for. I'll be sure to post again when I get my fuselage more in the apples to apples category with yours. If your fuselage is still in this state, would love to get the weight at the tail. Was thinking maybe you could put a board under the forward gear fittings and have the tail rest on the scale. I could then compare moments with mine. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409261#409261 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "AircamperN11MS" Paul, Ken gave you a great answer to your question. Your front panel could be very deep depending on your engine and fuel tank layout. I myself don't have any instruments in the front of mine. I don't find a need for them and I have tried to keep the plane as light as possible. The heaviest weldments I think you will have are going to be the landing gear attach points. Don't forget about the bottom seat frame too. Are you going to build the steel tail? They are lighter but I don't know by how much. The plans are on this site somewhere. Keep up the good work, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409262#409262 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal From: "nightmare" Very cool Joe. Would definitely be a worthwhile event. Ive done the transcon postal route in a 727 before but in a piet would be alot more memorable. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409263#409263 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. From: "taildrags" It sounds like what the writer needs is a vacuum restrictor valve. You can purchase one from Aircraft Spruce (their part number AN5829-2, $23.65), but even with it in the line you'll need to adjust the vacuum to calibrate the instrument. It is unusual to run an airspeed indicator off of vacuum. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409276#409276 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "nightmare" Scott I just had a "daaaa" moment. I now see how those front instruments will just hang into that forward bay. Plan on single large wing tank and battery in that forward bay. All subject to changes due to w&b. I calculated steel tail feathers but they seemed to weigh more than my wood ones that I have already built. I could have very well have screwed up the calculations, but at this point im happy using my wood tail feathers. Scott what size wheels do you have? Been looking through west coast piet for the right "look" , and would love to have a number to compare with what im looking at. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409279#409279 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "nightmare" Scott I just had a "daaaa" moment. I now see how those front instruments will just hang into that forward bay. Plan on single large wing tank and battery in that forward bay. All subject to changes due to w&b. I calculated steel tail feathers but they seemed to weigh more than my wood ones that I have already built. I could have very well have screwed up the calculations, but at this point im happy using my wood tail feathers. Scott what size wheels do you have? Been looking through west coast piet for the right "look" , and would love to have a number to compare with what im looking at. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409280#409280 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "AircamperN11MS" Paul, My wheels are Hayes and are original airplane from the late 1920's. Back in the day they measured the wheels by the total height of the tire. I have never measured them that way. With that said, I use a motor cycle tire size 3:50 x 16. The 16" tires are getting harder to find. I had to special order the last ones. Since I don't have any brakes the tires last a very long time. The previous set lasted about 14 years I think. The tread was still good but had some sidewall cracking issues. I would look for a size that is currently popular on motorcycles so you don't end up with rare hard to find tires in 20 years. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409282#409282 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... From: "Chris Rusch" Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight under our belts. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... From: Rick Holland Congratulations Chris, I just got my AW from at DAR a couple of weeks ago ($350). Since I haven't flow in 38 years I got a couple hours in a 172 last week for a general checkout and BFR. Then I am going to get some taildragger time with another instructor (he has a Citabria and a Pitts) before attempting the first flight. Should be able to handle a Piet if I can handle a Pitts (maybe). rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: > rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> > > Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went > real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up > last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said > I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. > My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have > something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight > under our belts. > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:48 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two new FAA Airworthiness Inspections!!! Congratulations! Way to GO Rick Holland and Chris Rusch in getting your newly built planes c ertified by the FAA for flight! The second half of all of this fun is just now beginning. For me this half was much more fun th an building....even 15 years later is still is fun. Really fun. Took a few photos from last night. Just think---you guys will be doing th is soon too! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... Congratulations to both!! Chris - I totally understand your being nervous. First flight for my Piet was with a very experienced pilot, whose abilities I did not question.I only questioned my own ability to build. Would the wing collapse? Would the engine quit? Would the gear hold up? Would the prop fly apart?...etc.etc. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... Congratulations Chris, I just got my AW from at DAR a couple of weeks ago ($350). Since I haven't flow in 38 years I got a couple hours in a 172 last week for a general checkout and BFR. Then I am going to get some taildragger time with another instructor (he has a Citabria and a Pitts) before attempting the first flight. Should be able to handle a Piet if I can handle a Pitts (maybe). rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight under our belts. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... From: Jack Chris fantastic news! Hope we can fly formation with our military colors next year! Congratulations! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:29 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote: > > Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight under our belts. > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... From: "taildrags" Yes, getting the green light on your inspection is excellent news and hope the first flights are uneventful, Chris. A lot of people are anxious to hear how the MitsuPietshi climbs and flies. For my part, the only regulatory news I have is that I passed my BFR so I'm good for two more years. My first time to fly a glass cockpit (Garmin G1000 in a new Cessna 172). It's amazing how quickly you can climb to 7500' when you have 180HP to play with. Oh, and my first time to fly with a Bose ANC headset. Incredibly quiet. All of those things are antithetical to Pietenpoling though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409305#409305 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:24 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... Glass? Garmin G1000? 7500'? 180HP? Bose? Sir, you speak a foreign language! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... --> Yes, getting the green light on your inspection is excellent news and hope the first flights are uneventful, Chris. A lot of people are anxious to hear how the MitsuPietshi climbs and flies. For my part, the only regulatory news I have is that I passed my BFR so I'm good for two more years. My first time to fly a glass cockpit (Garmin G1000 in a new Cessna 172). It's amazing how quickly you can climb to 7500' when you have 180HP to play with. Oh, and my first time to fly with a Bose ANC headset. Incredibly quiet. All of those things are antithetical to Pietenpoling though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409305#409305 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "nightmare" Thanks Scott. Good to know -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409308#409308 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. From: "taildrags" More on this interesting question! It turns out that the sailplane people use this type of airspeed indicator as well (venturi operated), and Winter is a well-known brand of this instrument. Here's a link: http://www.winter-instruments.de/english/ So here is the problem. I see under Technical Data that the instrument is one weight if it comes with a "Pitot" and another weight if it comes with a "Venturi". The implication is that the instrument can be used with either a Pitot and Static configuration, or with a Venturi and Static port. However, the document does not specifically say that, nor does it go into detail about the configuration using the venturi. it would take some testing to get it properly configured. This is actually an instrument designed for use in a glider or sail plane. Note that a conventional pitot (ram) air airspeed indicator such as the A-066-000 from Wag-Aero costs about $130 and is good for up to 120MPH. I'm sure there are other, equally affordable sources. However, if the writer is set on using the vacuum instrument, then carry on! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409311#409311 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: just right--- 85 years running From: "regchief" Good to hear Ken. We (CAP) took lots of pictures of infrastructure damage, as well as property in general. I heard on the news today the losses in roadways and bridges are over 500 miles of road, and 50 bridges a total loss. The damage just for infrastructure is estimated at half a billion dollars. I am glad to hear your planes made it safe, would suck to put in a lot of work and lose it overnight, as many have lost so much. 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