---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/27/13: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:41 AM - discolor-ation (TriScout) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (jarheadpilot82) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. (Chuck Campbell) 4. 06:22 AM - Re: discolor-ation (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 5. 06:30 AM - Re: discolor-ation (AircamperN11MS) 6. 07:40 AM - Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. (jarheadpilot82) 7. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: discolor-ation (Michael Perez) 8. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. () 9. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: discolor-ation (Jack Phillips) 10. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: A modest proposal (Rick Holland) 11. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: A modest proposal (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 12. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: A modest proposal (Ken Bickers) 13. 12:55 PM - Re: discolor-ation (TriScout) 14. 01:19 PM - Engine out.. again (bender) 15. 01:30 PM - Re: Engine out.. again (taildrags) 16. 01:32 PM - Re: Engine out.. again (Rick Holland) 17. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: A modest proposal (l.morlock) 18. 01:50 PM - Re: discolor-ation (AircamperN11MS) 19. 02:11 PM - Re: Engine out.. again (bender) 20. 02:57 PM - Re: Engine out.. again (BYD) 21. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: discolor-ation (Rick Holland) 22. 04:17 PM - Engine Selection (Mike Salerno) 23. 04:34 PM - Re: Engine Selection (Rick Holland) 24. 04:56 PM - new guy (aviken) 25. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: discolor-ation (Fastnaught John) 26. 05:49 PM - Re: Engine Selection (randy cary) 27. 10:36 PM - Re: Re: Engine out.. again (Gerry Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: discolor-ation From: "TriScout" I've noticed lately that the right gear attracts soot or exhaust dust after flights. I've noticed this over the previous 10hrs. It does wipe off easily. I am concerned about exhaust heat on leading edge of said gear fabric. I put my hand on the rear strut inflight (as pictured), and it feels about like 80 degrees in the wake. The exhaust/engine/landing gear is standard J3 Cub. Perhaps someone with a Cub, or similarly configured GN-1 could shed some light on it. Is this a real concern? Maybe I could just ad a metal shroud on leading edge of gear fabrique.. Lerrr -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409336#409336 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/heat_index_797.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "jarheadpilot82" Looks great , Paul. I am supposed to be getting a door cut in the front cockpit of my fuselage. I will post pictures once it happens. I will post weight as well. One question - bungees, die spring or straight axle gear? Supposed to pick it up at Barnwell in November. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409337#409337 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:03 AM PST US From: Chuck Campbell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. Man=2C I would certainly like to see an airspeed indicator that operates of f a Venturi. I've been flying since 1943 and have never heard of such a de vice. C > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 26 Sep 2013 15:42:42 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > More on this interesting question! It turns out that the sailplane peopl e use this type of airspeed indicator as well (venturi operated)=2C and Win ter is a well-known brand of this instrument. Here's a link: > > http://www.winter-instruments.de/english/ > > So here is the problem. I see under Technical Data that the instrument i s one weight if it comes with a "Pitot" and another weight if it comes with a "Venturi". The implication is that the instrument can be used with eith er a Pitot and Static configuration=2C or with a Venturi and Static port. However=2C the document does not specifically say that=2C nor does it go in to detail about the configuration using the venturi. it would take some te sting to get it properly configured. This is actually an instrument design ed for use in a glider or sail plane. > > Note that a conventional pitot (ram) air airspeed indicator such as the A -066-000 from Wag-Aero costs about $130 and is good for up to 120MPH. I'm sure there are other=2C equally affordable sources. However=2C if the writ er is set on using the vacuum instrument=2C then carry on! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford=2C OR > Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409311#409311 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" I personally think it looks cool! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409342#409342 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: "AircamperN11MS" I wouldn't worry about it at all. In fact the fabric on the belly of the plane probably sees more heat. Mt landing gear paint is discolored from exhaust heat (not soot). Think of it this way. Fabric planes sit outside in the 110degree desert for years without fabric issues. If you have some soot on the gear legs then I would guess that your engine may be idling a little rich or you are taxing back to the hangar with the carb heat on. The carb heat makes the engine run rich. My 3 cents, Don't worry about it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409343#409343 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. From: "jarheadpilot82" Chuck, I have been flying 32 years and had never heard of it either, but here ya go- http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?id=A19570800000 -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409346#409346 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_291.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation "I personally think it looks cool!"=0A=0AI agree, if there is no damage bei ng done...=0A=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:07 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. you guys just arent old enouff ( doesnt that make you feel good??) I had one on my t-craft a bug made a home in it and no air speed !! My instructer made me fly around for a week just so I could get used to flying with out that air speed gismo to look at all the time I did land a lot slower the ole t craft was afloater but with out the air speed you slowed right down on the finaal and put it on the numbers wait there wernt any numkbers in the grass -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. Chuck, I have been flying 32 years and had never heard of it either, but here ya go- http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?id=A19570800000 -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409346#409346 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_291.jpg ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:34 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation I agree with Scott. Besides, your exhaust looks to be about the same distance from the gear strut as it is on a J-3 and they don't seem to have issues with it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation I wouldn't worry about it at all. In fact the fabric on the belly of the plane probably sees more heat. Mt landing gear paint is discolored from exhaust heat (not soot). Think of it this way. Fabric planes sit outside in the 110degree desert for years without fabric issues. If you have some soot on the gear legs then I would guess that your engine may be idling a little rich or you are taxing back to the hangar with the carb heat on. The carb heat makes the engine run rich. My 3 cents, Don't worry about it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409343#409343 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal From: Rick Holland Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in the background. rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote: > > My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I > had the same idea. > > However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a > bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I > was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route > could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I > can't go without a transponder or radio... > > Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE > to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested > in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts > near where I live, or something. > > As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to > fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. > Interested to see if there's much other interest. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:34 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal There are several of those arrows here in Utah just north of SLC. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in the background. rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote: My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I had the same idea. However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I can't go without a transponder or radio... Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts near where I live, or something. As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. Interested to see if there's much other interest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal From: Ken Bickers I may have to wander up to Cheyenne and head east toward North Platte to see if I can find some of the arrows that might still be there. Maybe I should have paid more attention in the past. Our regular flight path to Brodhead turns out to have been fairly close to the old airmail route from North Platte, to Omaha, and across Iowa. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, wrote: > There are several of those arrows here in Utah just north of SLC. **** > > ** ** > > Brian**** > > SLC-UT**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland > *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 10:40 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal**** > > ** ** > > Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just > South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. > Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, > would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in > the background.**** > > ** ** > > rick h**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote:**** > > > My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I > had the same idea. > > However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a > bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I > was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route > could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I > can't go without a transponder or radio... > > Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE > to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested > in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts > near where I live, or something. > > As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to > fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. > Interested to see if there's much other interest. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > **** > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > **** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: "TriScout" What concerns me, is that it used to not be there. I wonder what causes it to be there w/in last 10 hrs. Maybe the next sortie.. I may tape a thermometer onto leading edge of gear leg and see what it reads. oil temp in flight seems steady at 165 deg during 3+ hrs flying yesterday...oil pressure, nominal, etc.. so I don't think anything is happening internally on the A65. I suppose I could just make peace with the idea that I could always abandon the machine inflight if it ever decides to catch fire...no biggie -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409370#409370 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine out.. again From: "bender" Ok. so I was told i'm only 7 landings away from a glider rating.. I flew today for the first time since my engine quit.. Lucky me... I was at pattern altitude this time.. just turned downwind.. lost power.. I cant imagine it was carb ice but that's my first guess at this point the plugs are tan and beautiful ... I drain gas from the gascolator... looks great. engine temps were good... oil pressure good... the intake was warm after I landed... but it wasn't doing much for the glide ? could have warmed a bit temp was 80 dew point 52 wind calm humidity 37% its getting old... landing on the taxiway and rolling right to the hangar was funny.... and the fireman at SDF were bored anyway. jeff I don't really want a continental faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409371#409371 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out.. again From: "taildrags" Jeff; that's got to ruin your day, although it's adding to your proficiency in handling engine outage. FYI, check out this graph and plug in your ambient temp of 80F and dew point of 52F: http://www.kfackler.com/gtuf/carb_ice.html In this case, the green region does NOT mean "you're safe". It says "serious icing at glide power". -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409372#409372 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine out.. again From: Rick Holland Glad you got down ok, what engine is giving you the problems? rh On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:18 PM, bender wrote: > jfaith@solairusaviation.com> > > Ok. so I was told i'm only 7 landings away from a glider rating.. > > I flew today for the first time since my engine quit.. > Lucky me... I was at pattern altitude this time.. just turned downwind.. > lost power.. I cant imagine it was carb ice but that's my first guess at > this point > the plugs are tan and beautiful ... I drain gas from the gascolator... > looks great. engine temps were good... oil pressure good... > > the intake was warm after I landed... but it wasn't doing much for the > glide ? could have warmed a bit > temp was 80 dew point 52 wind calm humidity 37% > > its getting old... landing on the taxiway and rolling right to the hangar > was funny.... and the fireman at SDF were bored anyway. > > jeff > I don't really want a continental > faith > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409371#409371 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:05 PM PST US From: "l.morlock" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal We have three of these arrows in Southern Indiana marking a portion of the route from Indianapolis to Cincinnati. One is on the field at Shelbyville, IN (SHB). ----- Original Message ----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal There are several of those arrows here in Utah just north of SLC. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:40 AM To: pietenpol-list Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in the background. rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote: My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I had the same idea. However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I can't go without a transponder or radio... Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts near where I live, or something. As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. Interested to see if there's much other interest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: "AircamperN11MS" Maybe it is just a light oil film from the breather. The cont. engines will push out extra oil if you run them at the full mark. I usually run mine between 3 and 3.5 quarts to keep the mess to a minimum. Oh, if your plane is covered with the Stitts / Poly Fiber it will not burn. Let me rephrase that. It will burn if you hold a flame to it. When you take the flame away it stops burning. If it is covered with dope, it could burn. Food for thought. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409375#409375 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out.. again From: "bender" Model A Ford. .. I'm thinking I need some work on the carb heat box. . Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409376#409376 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out.. again From: "BYD" Jeff, Would describe how it quit? I mean could you tell it was coming or did it quit suddenly? If slowly, how long from when you noticed RPM decrease until total loss? Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409379#409379 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: Rick Holland Talking about burnability, has anyone with a Latex paint job done a test to see how Dacron coated with Latex burns (or not)? I may have to try that. rh On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:50 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Maybe it is just a light oil film from the breather. The cont. engines > will push out extra oil if you run them at the full mark. I usually run > mine between 3 and 3.5 quarts to keep the mess to a minimum. > > Oh, if your plane is covered with the Stitts / Poly Fiber it will not > burn. Let me rephrase that. It will burn if you hold a flame to it. When > you take the flame away it stops burning. If it is covered with dope, it > could burn. > > Food for thought. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409375#409375 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:50 PM PST US From: Mike Salerno Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Selection Dear Group, This is my first post to the list server. I am interested in building a Pietenpol and am wondering what is the largest engine I could safely install? I assume from reading, I will want to build a long fuselage version. I have found a 140hp O-320 that I thought might be a good start to the project, but I was wondering if something as large as 180hp 0-360 could safely be installed? I had a Grumman AA-1 Yankee and with the 0-235 that was in it, the climb rate was lethargic at best, especially on a hot Texas day. I'm looking for climb, not top speed. Thanks in advance for the help. Sincerely, Michael Salerno ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Selection From: Rick Holland An O-235 is the largest aircraft engine I have heard of in a Piet. Should be plenty of power, at Broadhead you see 200+ pound guys giving rides to 200+ pounds passenger all the time with 40 HP Model-As and 65 HP C-65s. (Unless you are flying out of 10,000 ft elevation airports). rh On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Salerno wrote: > Dear Group, > > This is my first post to the list server. I am interested in building a > Pietenpol and am wondering what is the largest engine I could safely > install? I assume from reading, I will want to build a long fuselage > version. > > I have found a 140hp O-320 that I thought might be a good start to the > project, but I was wondering if something as large as 180hp 0-360 could > safely be installed? > > I had a Grumman AA-1 Yankee and with the 0-235 that was in it, the climb > rate was lethargic at best, especially on a hot Texas day. I'm looking for > climb, not top speed. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Sincerely, > Michael Salerno > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: new guy From: "aviken" hi everyone , new builder glad to be here Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409386#409386 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: Fastnaught John Scott, I noticed that you have wire wheels. My Piet will also have them but I need tore-do them Can you tell what rims you have and how many spoke, etc. My tires are 3X21". I appreciate the info. Jack airframe finished Model A engine just rebuilt ready to cover. On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:50 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Maybe it is just a light oil film from the breather. The cont. engines will push out extra oil if you run them at the full mark. I usually run mine between 3 and 3.5 quarts to keep the mess to a minimum. > > Oh, if your plane is covered with the Stitts / Poly Fiber it will not burn. Let me rephrase that. It will burn if you hold a flame to it. When you take the flame away it stops burning. If it is covered with dope, it could burn. > > Food for thought. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409375#409375 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:36 PM PST US From: randy cary Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Selection Lots of 100 hp Corvairs on Piets. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Selection From: at7000ft@gmail.com An O-235 is the largest aircraft engine I have heard of in a Piet. Should b e plenty of power=2C at Broadhead you see 200+ pound guys giving rides to 2 00+ pounds passenger all the time with 40 HP Model-As and 65 HP C-65s. (Unl ess you are flying out of 10=2C000 ft elevation airports).=0A rh On Fri=2C Sep 27=2C 2013 at 5:17 PM=2C Mike Salerno wr ote: =0A Dear Group=2C=0A This is my first post to the list server. I am interested in building a Pie tenpol and am wondering what is the largest engine I could safely install? I assume from reading=2C I will want to build a long fuselage version.=0A =0A I have found a 140hp O-320 that I thought might be a good start to the proj ect=2C but I was wondering if something as large as 180hp 0-360 could safel y be installed?=0A I had a Grumman AA-1 Yankee and with the 0-235 that was in it=2C the climb rate was lethargic at best=2C especially on a hot Texas day. I'm looking fo r climb=2C not top speed.=0A Thanks in advance for the help.=0A Sincerely=2C =0A Michael Salerno =0A =0A =0A =0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A tp://forums.matronics.com=0A _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado NX6819Z =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out.. again From: Gerry Holland Hi. After a forced landing from climb out with A75 up front the Air Accident Team included this graphic in the report of the case. In essence their report and all other information they had on file indicated carb ice could build in just about any sort of combination of temperature, humidity and flight sector. In my case after copious use of Carb Heat prior to take off and a full power climb out I thought I would be immune but no. A 500 foot take off at full power run over wet grass strip was perfect for carb icing. Take a look at your Carb heat setup and ensure it does what it's meant to do. 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