---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/01/13: 51 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:22 AM - Re: Re: A modest proposal (George Abernathy) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: Ear Muff Fab. (Michael Perez) 3. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Ear Muff Fab. (Michael Perez) 4. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale (Scott Knowlton) 5. 05:37 AM - Re: Ear Muff Fab. (Michael Perez) 6. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale (Marcus Zechini) 7. 05:53 AM - Re: discolor-ation (AircamperN11MS) 8. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale (Scott Knowlton) 9. 06:25 AM - Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel (AircamperN11MS) 10. 07:12 AM - ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Chris Rusch) 11. 07:14 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (nightmare) 12. 07:18 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Dan Yocum) 13. 07:26 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Gary Boothe) 14. 08:03 AM - Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel (Fun2av8) 15. 08:07 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Jack Phillips) 16. 08:47 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Jim Boyer) 17. 09:10 AM - End Rib Support (John Francis) 18. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Elevator control trim (Rick Holland) 19. 09:27 AM - Re: End Rib Support (Rick Holland) 20. 09:38 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Rick Holland) 21. 10:01 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Chris Rusch) 22. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: discolor-ation (Fastnaught John) 23. 10:11 AM - Re: End Rib Support (tools) 24. 10:42 AM - Re: End Rib Support (John Francis) 25. 11:55 AM - Re: End Rib Support (womenfly2) 26. 12:24 PM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (AircamperN11MS) 27. 12:41 PM - No reply (Douwe) 28. 12:51 PM - ROTEC ENGINE () 29. 01:03 PM - Re: ROTEC ENGINE (Mario Giacummo) 30. 01:49 PM - Re: End Rib Support (John Francis) 31. 02:46 PM - Re: ROTEC ENGINE (Bill Church) 32. 03:04 PM - Poly fiber issues (Rick) 33. 03:30 PM - Re: Poly fiber issues (taildrags) 34. 03:36 PM - Re: Poly fiber issues (taildrags) 35. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Poly fiber issues (Ken Bickers) 36. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel (Dick N) 37. 04:35 PM - Re: Poly fiber issues (g. doe) 38. 04:43 PM - Wheels (John Fastnaught) 39. 05:03 PM - Re: Poly fiber issues (Rick Holland) 40. 05:29 PM - Just when I needed some Pietenpol talk! (Jim Markle) 41. 05:41 PM - Re: Poly fiber issues (Ken Bickers) 42. 05:41 PM - Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel (tools) 43. 05:53 PM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (nightmare) 44. 06:04 PM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Chris Rusch) 45. 06:07 PM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Chris Rusch) 46. 06:15 PM - Re: ROTEC ENGINE (Dick N) 47. 06:16 PM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (aerocarjake) 48. 06:47 PM - Re: Wheels (Greg Cardinal) 49. 07:59 PM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (taildrags) 50. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 51. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:08 AM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal Too hard to catch the little buggers=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________ ________=0A From: dgaldrich =0ATo: pietenpol-list @matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:48 AM=0ASubject: Pietenp ol-List: Re: A modest proposal=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted b y: "dgaldrich" =0A=0AWhew, at least you aren't pr oposing to eat children as a substitute for potatoes.- My apologies to Jo nathan Swift.- :D- :D=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409514#409514=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A =================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:45 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ear Muff Fab. Thank you Oscar. Those are great looking muffs and the intel. you provided is excellent. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:00 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ear Muff Fab. You are all correct, I was referring to the eyebrow cooling inlets as Oscar figured out. Not sure where ear muff came from...I think I might be going mad. =0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APie tenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A=0A=0A_______ _________________________=0A From: Bill Church =0AT o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, September 30, 2013 4:52 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ear Muff Fab.=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List m essage posted by: "Bill Church" =0A=0AEar muffs?=0A Never heard them called that before.- Never thought of the engine as havi ng ears.=0AI suppose eyebrows doesn't really make sense either, since the e ngine has the same number of eyes as it does ears.- But cooling eyebrows is usually the terminology used (assuming you're referring to the scoops th at are used to direct cooling air over the cylinders, as per the J3 Cub and similar aircraft with exposed cylinders).- Referring to them as "ear muf fs" will likely elicit a few raised eyebrows (pun intended). =0AJust sayin' .=0A=0ABC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.mat ============= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale From: Scott Knowlton I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in barnstormers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar about the gear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for anyone who is contemplating building and hasn't begun yet. Scott Knowlton Burlington Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone would make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic styled Piet. Lots of metal fittings there, too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409498#409498 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:03 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ear Muff Fab. I said for the engine, not your head Gary! If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale From: Marcus Zechini Did he mention a price? I may not have scoured email thoroughly... On Oct 1, 2013 8:36 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrote: > flyingscott_k@hotmail.com> > > I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in > barnstormers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar > about the gear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for > anyone who is contemplating building and hasn't begun yet. > > Scott Knowlton > Burlington > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi > to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone > would make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic > styled Piet. Lots of metal fittings there, too. > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409498#409498 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: "AircamperN11MS" Jack, Sorry for the delay getting back to you. I had a 3 day weekend. I have 16" wheels from the late 1920's. They were sold by Hayes for airplanes back in the day. They have three rows of spokes in them, meaning 1 row in the center and a row on each side near the bead. The outside rows help prevent the wheels from collapsing from side loads. My spoke are also straight laced, meaning that they do not cross. This prevents me from installing any brakes on the hub. The hub would simply just spin and break the spokes if a load were to be applied to it. The hubs, spokes and rims are all steel. I have no idea how many spokes are in them. Bottom line here is that my wheels could probably be copied but it would require a lot of work and manufacturing. I have only seen these wheels on one other airplane and it was in a museum somewhere. I have seen one or two pictures of planes with them. I hope I haven't discouraged you. It just that the wheels I have are very rare and probably not cost effective to replicate. There are a lot of Piets out there with 21" wheels that look fantastic and seem to function very well. Oh and you can put brakes on them. Sometimes not having brakes is a bit bothersome. Sorry about the over sized Pic. I don't know how to change the size. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409553#409553 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_102_253.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale From: Scott Knowlton In the 3K range on Barnstormers. He has 1K worth or spruce spars alone. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "Marcus Zechini" wr ote: > > Did he mention a price? I may not have scoured email thoroughly... > >> On Oct 1, 2013 8:36 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrot e: il.com> >> >> I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in barnsto rmers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar about the g ear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for anyone who is con templating building and hasn't begun yet. >> >> Scott Knowlton >> Burlington >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote: >> > m> >> > >> > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone w ould make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic styled P iet. Lots of metal fittings there, too. >> > >> > -------- >> > Oscar Zuniga >> > Medford, OR >> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> > A75 power >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409498#409498 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel From: "AircamperN11MS" I have a solid 6" tail wheel on mine. Although not a Scott or Maule. Like the RV guys have. It works great on all surfaces. Asphalt, Grass, Dirt, Mud and Sand. Tried them all. My buddies Maule tail wheel went flat this past weekend. He had to stuff it with rags and rope to get the plane home since he didn't have a spare tube with him. Stuff to think about. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409556#409556 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "Chris Rusch" Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! Thanks for all the support thru the years!! Chris -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "nightmare" Awesome Chris! Congratulations. Cant wait to hear what that engine sounds like. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409560#409560 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:35 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** Excellent news! Congrats! Did you get your test flight area to include C37? ;-) On 10/01/2013 09:11 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: > > Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! > Thanks for all the support thru the years!! > > Chris > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:02 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** Way to go, Chris! Looking forward to that video... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** --> Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! Thanks for all the support thru the years!! Chris -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel From: "Fun2av8" I did not build my Piet. This is my first venture into 'amateur' built airplanes coming from a position of only flying production aircraft. One tends to take a lot for granted in the world of production birds that I am learning you cant do in Piets. Having read the last couple of posts.My fun meter is swaying more towards the Scott 2000 (6) instead of the Scott 3200 (8). Here is what I think Ive have gleaned out of the posts in this thread. Please correct any misgivings I have below. (1) If one adds a leaf spring to the tail wheel it logically extends the size of the three-point foot print by as much as 14 inches. Is this a good thing or a bad thing for a Piet? (a) Has anyone figured out how to mount the Scott 2000 to the a-frame that the little Piet tail wheel is attached to? Is there a reason why one would NOT want to do this? (2) Folks are using the Scott 2000. I think I am going that way as well. TailDrags wrote that with the skid, Piets can get closer to a 3-point attitude for landing that produces the slowest landing speed and shorter roll-out. So, I get the impression that adding the Scott 2000 will decrease the 3-point attitude which results in a little faster landing speed and longer roll-out. Is the difference significant? (a) Kinda off topic For those of you who wheel land their Piets what are your V-speeds for final and touch down? (3) rags stuffed into a tire inner tube. That is creative! Thanks everyone for your thoughts! -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409567#409567 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:11 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** Way to go, Chris! Great feeling, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! Thanks for all the support thru the years!! Chris -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:00 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** Hi Chris, Congratulations on the first flight; looking forward to seeing the videos. Cheers, Jim B. =C2- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: End Rib Support From: "John Francis" I've looked for pictures but couldn't find any to show how the 1/2" spruce supports were attached to the ribs. I understand the other end is attached to the spars but am not certain how to mount the support to the rib? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409576#409576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08015_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator control trim From: Rick Holland Just because the plans are dated 1934 doesn't mean a Piet can't have electric elevator trim. rh On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Fun2av8 wrote: > > PineyMB > > What a brilliantly simple approach to adding an elevator trim tab. Do you > other DIY pictures of how you ran the cable and the elevator trim tab > control mechanism? > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409525#409525 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: End Rib Support From: Rick Holland Just glued mine to the rib gussets. rh On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:10 AM, John Francis wrote: > > I've looked for pictures but couldn't find any to show how the 1/2" spruce > supports were attached to the ribs. I understand the other end is attached > to the spars but am not certain how to mount the support to the rib? > > Thanks, > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409576#409576 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08015_141.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: Rick Holland Nice work Chris, btw, what model and year Mitsu engine are you using? Any pictures of it? I remember I had a 1990 Mitsu Eagle Talon with the turbo engine, lot of fun. rh On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: > rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> > > Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first > flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All > went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just > about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing > why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the > gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so > you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows > the whole flight, its pretty cool!! > Thanks for all the support thru the years!! > > Chris > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "Chris Rusch" Ok Guys, Here are the videos, I am open to any comments on the engine sputter you will hear.....just to note, this flight was performed by my good friend and very talented flight instructor Jim Wheeler. We got her back on the ground did some full power run up and never missed a beat. The in flight video is better than the ground view. Enjoy!! http://youtu.be/X_Kf1bcgPks http://youtu.be/_-mSFj3be2U -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409586#409586 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation From: Fastnaught John Scott, Thanks for the info. I now have 21" wheels but no brakes. I'm looking for info to make a good decision because I can't use them, I need brakes. Thanks again, Jack On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:53 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > Jack, > > Sorry for the delay getting back to you. I had a 3 day weekend. I have 16" wheels from the late 1920's. They were sold by Hayes for airplanes back in the day. They have three rows of spokes in them, meaning 1 row in the center and a row on each side near the bead. The outside rows help prevent the wheels from collapsing from side loads. My spoke are also straight laced, meaning that they do not cross. This prevents me from installing any brakes on the hub. The hub would simply just spin and break the spokes if a load were to be applied to it. The hubs, spokes and rims are all steel. I have no idea how many spokes are in them. > > Bottom line here is that my wheels could probably be copied but it would require a lot of work and manufacturing. I have only seen these wheels on one other airplane and it was in a museum somewhere. I have seen one or two pictures of planes with them. > > I hope I haven't discouraged you. It just that the wheels I have are very rare and probably not cost effective to replicate. There are a lot of Piets out there with 21" wheels that look fantastic and seem to function very well. Oh and you can put brakes on them. Sometimes not having brakes is a bit bothersome. > > Sorry about the over sized Pic. I don't know how to change the size. > > Cheers, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409553#409553 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_102_253.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: End Rib Support From: "tools" The purpose of that piece is to keep the fabric from pulling in the rib... so... It needs to attach to the rib at the cap strip, top and bottom, however will do so. You could put a vertical rib piece with the gussets, which would then give you some gluing area, or you could put a doubler of sufficient size under the cap strip, a piece about 1x1, one half inch thick (to match the cap strip) and glue/nail it to that (and another on the bottom strip for that support). Adding the vert rib member with gussets seems the most logical. It seems to me that the end ribs have the verticals in there anyway. The two coming together provide back up support for each other. Since it's largely end grain, I'd glue and nail. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409589#409589 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: End Rib Support From: "John Francis" I continued to search and found this picture, posted by Mark Chouinard on Westcoastpiet. It appears he mounted some blocks on the uprights and attached the supports to them. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409591#409591 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050409_1000x750_109.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: End Rib Support From: "womenfly2" One thing that will happen is the covering will pull in the top and bottom cap strips if not well braced. Remember that half the load of the shrinking covering parallel to the leading edge will be on the root rib and the bow tip. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409597#409597 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "AircamperN11MS" Chris, It looks and sounds terrific. I like it. The engine cutting out sounded a little like ignition to me. Very hard to tell without being there. Do the electrical gauges or volt gauge move when it does that? Can you prop it with the gear reduction unit? Just curious. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409599#409599 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: No reply From: Douwe Hey all, thank you so much for your input on my project, I've been away in Orlando and will return a couple days and will get in touch with everybody. Douwe Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:42 PM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: ROTEC ENGINE Dears, Is it possible assembly a Pietenpol aircraft using Rotec R3600, 9 cylinders and 150hp, three blades propeller? Thanks for your help. My Best Regards, Serrano www.kraussaero.com.br From: woodflier@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. Nice to see the article on classic homebuilts in SA. Particularly enjoyed seeing the pic of Dan Yocum's Piet. Matt Paxton Sent from my android device. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:12 PM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ROTEC ENGINE One like this one? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sTq4dYbHWjk/UgTmkcAHEmI/AAAAAAAAII8/5i0qFnB3MAw/s1600/rotecR-2800_02.jpg Mario Giacummo 2013/10/1 > Dears, > Is it possible assembly a Pietenpol aircraft using Rotec R3600, 9 > cylinders and 150hp, three blades propeller? > Thanks for your help. > My Best Regards, > Serrano > www.kraussaero.com.br > > *From:* woodflier@aol.com > *Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:35 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. > > > Nice to see the article on classic homebuilts in SA. Particularly enjoyed > seeing the pic of Dan Yocum's Piet. > > Matt Paxton > Sent from my android device. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: End Rib Support From: "John Francis" I am not certain we are all talking about the same supports. They are high lighted in the attached photo. I am not certain everyone is putting them in as I have seen completed wings without them. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409608#409608 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050409_1000x750_506.jpg ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ROTEC ENGINE From: "Bill Church" Perhaps a better question would be "why?". 150hp is way too much power for a plane designed to fly on 40-100hp. And the dry weight of the engine is 275 lb. The smaller R2800 is a proven powerplant for the Air Camper, as seen on Dick Navratil's well publicized NX25RN. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Dick%20Navratil/pictures.htm Bill C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409617#409617 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poly fiber issues From: Rick Well fellow Pieters, Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After talking to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings company. Paint formulation and color control has been my life for over 40 years. To now find out that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I am ordering is more than I can take. Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his yellow is. What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on some white card stock to a least get some idea of what the color is. Rick Schreiber NX478RS ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly fiber issues From: "taildrags" Rick; I can empathize with you... I searched high and low for a match for the yellow on Scout and got pretty close with some, but the Poly-Tone yellow (which, it turns out, is almost exactly the same yellow as is used on highway centerline stripes) was always just a little different from what I was finding. I would go around the retail distributor and cut right to the source... Poly Fiber in Riverside, CA. I would be greatly surprised if they weren't willing and able to send you some actual color swatches of the paints that you are interested in. And in fact, I have a daughter living in Carlsbad and family in Fallbrook, not too far from Riverside, and if you needed to have someone go by Poly Fiber to pick up swatches and mail them to you, I'll bet that could be arranged too. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409619#409619 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly fiber issues From: "taildrags" By the way, I believe the yellow paint on my airplane is "Federal Yellow", and if you look at the typical color chart (such as this one: http://www.hangar10aerosupply.com/poly-fiber%20color%20chart.htm ), you'll see that Federal Yellow on the chart bears no resemblance to what is on the airplane, here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/NX41CC02.jpg . I agree... if you're going to spend the money, you need to know what you're going to get! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409620#409620 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly fiber issues From: Ken Bickers Rick, I think i have an original color chart from Poly Fiber. I'll look tonight when I get to the airport. If so, I'll drop it in the mail to you. I like Oscar's suggestion. I used to make it to Riverside at least a couple times a year and would always schedule a trip to the Flabob airport to eat at the little restaurant there. Classic airport food! Bad in a good sort of way. You'd be doing someone a favor by asking them to go there on your behalf. Another suggestion, assuming I don't have the color chart that I can send you, is to check with Univair. I believe that they still provide an old fashioned color chart, not just something printed on a color printer. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:30 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Rick; I can empathize with you... I searched high and low for a match for > the yellow on Scout and got pretty close with some, but the Poly-Tone > yellow (which, it turns out, is almost exactly the same yellow as is used > on highway centerline stripes) was always just a little different from what > I was finding. > > I would go around the retail distributor and cut right to the source... > Poly Fiber in Riverside, CA. I would be greatly surprised if they weren't > willing and able to send you some actual color swatches of the paints that > you are interested in. And in fact, I have a daughter living in Carlsbad > and family in Fallbrook, not too far from Riverside, and if you needed to > have someone go by Poly Fiber to pick up swatches and mail them to you, > I'll bet that could be arranged too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409619#409619 > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:27 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel Guys Don't use the inflatable tail wheel, I did use it and I replaced the inner tube every other month. I just ordered a solid tail wheel. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel > > Jim; > > A couple of observations on the solid 6" Scott vs. the pneumatic 8" > tailwheel. First, weight. Most Piets tend to be tail-heavy, and > according to the Aircraft Spruce shipping weights, there is more than a 2 > lb difference between the 2000 and the 3200. That's a lot. Second, > aircraft angle in the 3-point attitude. The Piet's FC10 airfoil can still > be producing lift with 5.00 or 6.00 mains and a big tailwheel. The > original configuration is with a tailskid, which put the tail down lower. > The people who are flying with spoked wheels and a tailskid probably have > the plane nearer to a full-stall in the 3-point attitude than airplanes > like mine, and that gives you the slowest landing speed and the shortest > landing roll. Lastly, you should try taxiing a Piet with the 6" solid > Scott on grass or pavement. It will turn on a dime. Matter of fact, I > have thought of changing the spring tension on the tailwheel on mine to > reduce the sensitivity just a bit, although I do like to hav! > e the ability to make it go precisely where I want it to go. Now I'll > wait to hear from those who may be using the larger tailwheel to see if > I've missed an even better deal than I have with the solid 6". > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409532#409532 > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:59 PM PST US From: "g. doe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly fiber issues Rick, sorry to hear about this, I have several shades of yellow left over f or different jobs, be glad to send them to you, I am sure the labels are st ill clear, gary in Kennesaw, GA.=0A =0A=0A________________________________ =0A From: Rick =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 6:03 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Poly fiber issues=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick =0A=0A=0AWell fellow Pieters ,=0AHere is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After talk ing to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings company. Paint form ulation and color control has been my life for over 40 years. To now find o ut that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I am ordering is mor e than I can take.=0A=0AIs there anybody on the list that has some left ove r paint that can help me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jen ny without the lower wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yel low on Dan Yocum's Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his yellow is.=0A=0AWhat I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on some white card stock to a least get some id ============== ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels From: John Fastnaught Gentlemen, I'm new to the list although I've been reading it for some time. I've acquired a Piet project. I've just OVH the model A engine am now working on the airframe. My current dilemma is the wheels. After talking to Buchanan wheel and rim it seems I have more question than answers. I have 21" spoked wheels used as a prototype (not airworthy). Should I use steel or aluminum rims, SS or chrome spokes and how many. It seems that 40 is typical. And since I will have brakes they will be cross laced. Any help would be appreciated. My goal is to fly to Brodhead next year. I drove this year (long trip). Jack Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly fiber issues From: Rick Holland Hey Rick Also took me 10 years to get my Piet to airworthiness status. One suggestion, consider External Latex, save a ton of dough and get exactly the color and texture you want as easily as going to your nearest Sherwin Williams store (and avoid taking several years of your life breathing toxic stuff). Guy did a great latex seminar at this years AirVenture, I think he put the video on youtube. He sands between coats and gets a finish as shiny as on a new car. Attached pictures my latex durability test panel I covered with med. dacron and painted with 2 coats on one side and 3 coats of semigloss ext latex on the other. Pictures were taken after being outside facing true South at 6700ft. 24x7 for about 6 years (have been out there for about 8 years now and don't look hardly any different). The close-up picture shows indentations from a punch tester that went to the limit of the tester without going through. rh On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rick wrote: > > > Well fellow Pieters, > Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy > some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My > issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After > talking to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have > available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know > that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings > company. Paint formulation and color control has been my life for over 40 > years. To now find out that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a > coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I > am ordering is more than I can take. > > Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help > me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to > paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower > wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's > Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his > yellow is. > > What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on > some white card stock to a least get some idea of what the color is. > > Rick Schreiber > NX478RS > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:38 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just when I needed some Pietenpol talk! Walter Allen from just over the Kansas border from us stopped by today. So it looks like ANOTHER real Pietenpol (Model A powered!) will be flying around here some day! Getting out to the shop to mess around with Pietenpol parts: Priceless. Thanks for stopping by Walter! Jim in Pryor ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly fiber issues From: Ken Bickers Rick, Let me echo what Rick (H) says. We used Benjamin Moore. Their high end acrylic in water suspension product, which runs $50 a gallon. Expensive for house paint. Cheap for airplanes. It is easy to get the exact color you want. And because they have the mix computerized, easy to get more when the first batch runs out. I think (all humility and modesty aside) that it came out looking sensational. We did prime using the Stewart System primer, but color coats were sprayed on Latex. We followed the instructions provided by Malcolm Morrison. Here's a cheap plug. He's doing a webinar later this week on his latex process. It is hosted by the EAA. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > Hey Rick > > Also took me 10 years to get my Piet to airworthiness status. One > suggestion, consider External Latex, save a ton of dough and get exactly > the color and texture you want as easily as going to your nearest Sherwin > Williams store (and avoid taking several years of your life breathing toxic > stuff). Guy did a great latex seminar at this years AirVenture, I think he > put the video on youtube. He sands between coats and gets a finish as shiny > as on a new car. > > Attached pictures my latex durability test panel I covered with med. > dacron and painted with 2 coats on one side and 3 coats of semigloss ext > latex on the other. Pictures were taken after being outside facing true > South at 6700ft. 24x7 for about 6 years (have been out there for about 8 > years now and don't look hardly any different). The close-up picture shows > indentations from a punch tester that went to the limit of the tester > without going through. > > rh > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rick wrote: > >> >> >> Well fellow Pieters, >> Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy >> some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My >> issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After >> talking to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have >> available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know >> that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings >> company. Paint formulation and color control has been my life for over 40 >> years. To now find out that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a >> coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I >> am ordering is more than I can take. >> >> Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help >> me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to >> paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower >> wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's >> Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his >> yellow is. >> >> What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow >> on some white card stock to a least get some idea of what the color is. >> >> Rick Schreiber >> NX478RS >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel From: "tools" I never look at the airspeed indicator less than 60 when I'm landing in any mode. If I'm three pointing, I slow in the flare to a 3 pt attitude, then let it descend. However, I find that I run out of pitch authority at that point which makes sense... it basically stalls at that point. If I'm wheel landing, I slow to a slightly nose up attitude (somewhat more attitude than when I get the tail up to accelerate quickly), then let it descend onto the wheels. This gives me a comfortable amount of nose down available after the wheels touch to keep it on the ground. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409629#409629 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "nightmare" Looks and sounds great. Hopefully that was just a bit of water. Is your fuel tank drain at lowest point while in 3 point position? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409631#409631 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "Chris Rusch" AircamperN11MS wrote: > Chris, > > It looks and sounds terrific. I like it. The engine cutting out sounded a little like ignition to me. Very hard to tell without being there. Do the electrical gauges or volt gauge move when it does that? > > Can you prop it with the gear reduction unit? Just curious. That's the first time it ever hiccuped...so I don't know -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409632#409632 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "Chris Rusch" I would like to try a different prop to get more rpm's out of ..I think it's right at the bottom of the power band. It was at 2100 .... I think 2500 would be better -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409633#409633 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:14 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ROTEC ENGINE A 150 hp engine on a Pietenpol would be very expensive and unnecessary. Also three blade prop would be quieter but not necessary. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: contato@kraussaero.com.br To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ROTEC ENGINE Dears, Is it possible assembly a Pietenpol aircraft using Rotec R3600, 9 cylinders and 150hp, three blades propeller? Thanks for your help. My Best Regards, Serrano www.kraussaero.com.br From: woodflier@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:35 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. Nice to see the article on classic homebuilts in SA. Particularly enjoyed seeing the pic of Dan Yocum's Piet. Matt Paxton Sent from my android device. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "aerocarjake" Wonderful - congratulations...!! do not archive -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409635#409635 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:58 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheels Jack, Here is some good info on wire spoked wheels, http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wire_wheels.htm To answer your questions specifically: 1. Steel vs. aluminum rims - Use aluminum if you can find them for the weight savings. The rims are a small percentage of the total weight of the wheel so using steel won't be a deal breaker. 2. SS vs. chrome spokes - My vote goes to SS. It's an airplane operating on grass and dirt. Your wheels will take some abuse and they will get marked up. 3. 40 vs. 36 spokes - Let your rim selection determine spoke number. You may find 36 spoke rims are more common than 40 spoke rims. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fastnaught" Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels > > > Gentlemen, > I'm new to the list although I've been reading it for some time. I've > acquired a Piet project. I've just OVH the model A engine am now working > on the airframe. My current dilemma is the wheels. After talking to > Buchanan wheel and rim it seems I have more question than answers. I have > 21" spoked wheels used as a prototype (not airworthy). Should I use steel > or aluminum rims, SS or chrome spokes and how many. It seems that 40 is > typical. And since I will have brakes they will be cross laced. Any help > would be appreciated. > My goal is to fly to Brodhead next year. I drove this year (long trip). > Jack > > Sent from my iPad > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** From: "taildrags" Experimental Two-One Lima Romeo, that was excellent. The test period is there for a reason; you'll figure out the hiccup and soon you'll be enjoying Pietenpoling too. Beautiful airplane, sweet engine, nearly perfect first flight. Watching the first flight video, I hope you could sense Mr. Pietenpol and Mr. Poberezny smiling as they watched over your shoulder. 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These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Pietenpol-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:07 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. 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