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1. 03:35 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 04:39 AM - No Matter Where You Go Good Pietenpol People are There. (Overalles)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Chris Rusch)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (bdewenter)
5. 05:56 AM - Re: Poly fiber issues (AircamperN11MS)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: Engine Selection (bdewenter)
7. 06:42 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Michael Perez)
9. 06:53 AM - Re: discolor-ation (bdewenter)
10. 08:30 AM - Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel (Fun2av8)
11. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel (Hans van der Voort)
12. 09:43 AM - Re: Poly fiber issues (Dan Yocum)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel (bradandlinda tds.net)
14. 09:53 AM - Re: No Matter Where You Go Good Pietenpol People are There. (Dan Yocum)
15. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
16. 10:32 AM - Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** (Chris Rusch)
17. 10:40 AM - Re: Newbie Arkansas builder (aviken)
18. 11:00 AM - I'm honored! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
19. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Newbie Arkansas builder (Rick Holland)
20. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Poly fiber issues (Rick Schreiber)
21. 11:47 AM - Re: Poly fiber issues (Rick Schreiber)
22. 12:22 PM - Re: I'm honored! (aerocarjake)
23. 01:23 PM - Pietenpol RC Model (David)
24. 01:58 PM - Re: I'm honored! (taildrags)
25. 03:03 PM - Re: Pietenpol RC Model (Rick Holland)
26. 05:38 PM - first little step (aviken)
27. 05:38 PM - ###Second Flight#### (Chris Rusch)
28. 06:19 PM - Re: ###Second Flight#### (Jack)
29. 06:31 PM - Re: ###Second Flight#### (Chris Rusch)
30. 07:42 PM - Re: ###Second Flight#### (taildrags)
31. 07:56 PM - Re: ###Second Flight#### (Rick Holland)
32. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: ###Second Flight#### (Rick Holland)
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| Subject: | Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** |
Congratulations Chris! Can't wait to see the vids. Way to go!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Rusch <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:59 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
>
Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flig
ht!!
what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well
other
than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a
heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking
some
moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to
the
carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go
-pro
mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!!
Thanks for all the support thru the years!!
Chris
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ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | No Matter Where You Go Good Pietenpol People are There. |
When I lived in Kentucky I met Jeff Faith and he was very nice to let me come visit,
see his project and ask a ton of questions. Now I have moved to Kansas and
last night I was lucky enough to visit Jim Markle. I enjoyed visiting with
Jim and his Wife, left with some of Jim's extra parts and now know where Jim lives
(Jim may get tired of seeing me) and it is just a couple of hours down the
road. This Pietenpol Group is like no other.
Thanks
Walter Allen
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| Subject: | Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** |
Hi Dan, here are the video links
http://youtu.be/X_Kf1bcgPks
http://youtu.be/_-mSFj3be2U[/quote]
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ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** |
Congrats Chris! Hope to see you and your Piet at Brodhead.
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Poly fiber issues |
Rick,
I third what Oscar said. The folks a Poly Fiber will bend over backwards to help
you out. They are great people. Tell them what you want. A trick I learned
when I rebuilt my plane. They had changed their cream color somewhere along
the line and the new stuff didn't match the old paint I had from a previous
rebuild project. They did a color match for me since I told them it was a "repair
job". You could try that if you have a color sample you like.
Ken,
The cafe at Flabob has changed hands. It was closed for a little while, cleaned
up and is now open. I was at Flabob last Sat. for the flying circus event but
did not go into the cafe because it was too crowded. Didn't hear anything
bad about it.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Selection |
I would talk to Kevin Purtee. You can find his email address by searching for
a post from him. He's out in the Austin TX area. His 100 HP Piet has an amazing
climb rate and he's a big person. At Brodhead he put another BIG person
in the front and the plane still climbed briskly.
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** |
Congrat Chris!! The Go-Pro on the strut sure makes a nice video!
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** |
Outstanding!- I will be checking out the videos ASAP!=0A-=0ACongratulat
ions.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APie
tenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: discolor-ation |
Jack,
Food for thought
Back in 2011 I promised I would find Don Harper some 'cycle (spoken like a southerner)
wheels for his now flying Piet. He wanted 19" aluminum wheels with 40
spokes. Two days after returning from CC 19 I acquired 4 suitable wheels at
a bone yard. They are front wheels from the 1981 Kawasaki KZ 650 CSR. Two sets
of 48 Spokes are coming from Buchanan's as I write this. The wheels from
the bone yard were $75 per pair. Don emptied the hubs and pressed in bronze bushings
for me. The new spokes are coming in at $337.00 Don simply cleaned his
in a media blast cabinet. No wonder these guys can build flying planes for
$6800. Don has brakes on his.
Just to add: Don Harper and PF Beck are the hosts of Corvair College 27 coming
up in November in Barnwell SC. You might recall these are the two builders of
near identical Piets with two different wing foils.
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel |
OK,
A couple folks say that the inflatable 8" wheel is not spiffy (unless you have
a spare tube or a bag full of rags :-) )
There is a lot of support for the Scott 2000 solid rubber tire.
Is anyone actually using the 8" inflatable tail wheel? Are you happy with it?
Any second thoughts if you were to do it all over again?
Ref final approach speed ....60 mph is the number I use for touch down. To me
it seems a little fast. My Maule would wheel on at 55-60. I would have thought
the Piet could be slower...but the Piet does have a lot more drag than my
Maule.
Is there a thread that talks about V-speeds? This seems off topic for tail wheels....but
some what related.
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel |
I use the Matco T6 solid rubber tire, light weight and in expensive.=0AWork
s good on grass, no complains=0A-=0AMy final approach, and most of the pa
ttern is 55 Mph, slowing down to well below 40 in the flare.=0AStall speed
is-less than-30 mph.=0A-=0AOnly a 3-pont landing is theoretically at
full stall with the tail wheel touching down.=0AA wheel landing is more lik
ely around 40 Mph, with the tail coming down well under10 Mph (airspeed)=0A
I often "fast Taxi" the remainder of the runway with tail-up around 10 Mp
h.=0A-=0AHans van der Voort=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_______
_________________________=0A From: Fun2av8 <iflyga@fun2av8.com>=0ATo: piete
npol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM=0ASubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-
List message posted by: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>=0A=0AOK,=0A=0AA coup
le folks say that the inflatable 8" wheel is not spiffy (unless you have a
spare tube or a bag full of rags- :-) )=0A=0AThere is a lot of support fo
r the Scott 2000 solid rubber tire.=0A=0AIs anyone actually using the 8" in
flatable tail wheel?- Are you happy with it?- Any second thoughts if yo
u were to do it all over again?=0A=0ARef final approach speed ....60 mph is
the number I use for touch down.- To me it seems a little fast.- My-
Maule would wheel on at 55-60.- I would have thought the Piet could be s
lower...but the Piet does have a lot more drag than my Maule.=0A=0AIs there
a thread that talks about V-speeds?- This seems off topic for tail wheel
s....but some what related.=0A=0A--------=0AJim McWhorter=0AN687MB (New Own
er)=0ACulpeper, VA- KCJR=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409679#409679=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Poly fiber issues |
Hi Rick,
I spoke with the gent who paint N8031 and he said that he didn't know
the exact color - it was some left-overs from his neighbor. He did tell
me that is an automotive enamel made by Sherwin Williams cut with flotrol.
When I cut out the top of the center section to repair the fuel tank, I
had some scraps which I carried around with me for a while. As chance
would have it, one day I was stopped at light next to a school bus. On a
whim I held the scrap up with the bus in the background, it was pretty
close, so I found a parked bus and compared them. You guessed it -
N8031 is school bus yellow.
I took the scrap to the paint store and they made a pretty good match
for me, too. I'll send you pictures of the mixtures they used, offlist.
Cheers,
Dan
On 10/01/2013 05:03 PM, Rick wrote:
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>
> Well fellow Pieters,
> Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy some
certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My issue is
now trying to determine what the colors available are. After talking to Aircraft
Spruce I find that the only color chart they have available is just an offset
printed approximation. Many of you may know that I am a retired technical
director of an International coatings company. Paint formulation and color control
has been my life for over 40 years. To now find out that I have to spend
more than $100 per gallon for a coating that is non returnable, for a color that
I have no real idea what I am ordering is more than I can take.
>
> Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help me out?
What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to paint
the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower wing. A cub
yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's Piet would probably
work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his yellow is.
>
> What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on some
white card stock to a least get some idea of what the color is.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> NX478RS
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| Subject: | Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel |
A thought on tail wheel/rudder spring tension adjustment. The springs
should be adjusted so that wheel response should be matched with
aerodynamic rudder response. For example, if the springs are too tight,
during a crosswind take off the small amount of rudder pressure required to
maintain runway centerline will not be enough to maintain heading with
rudder alone, and the airplane will weather vane into the wind as the tail
lifts off. Worse yet, on landing with correct amount of aerodynamic
rudder, as the wheel touches down, the plane will veer sharply in the
direction of the rudder input, and be very squirrley on the roll-out. Can
you say ground loop? Brad Williams
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
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> Guys
> Don't use the inflatable tail wheel, I did use it and I replaced the inner
> tube every other month. I just ordered a solid tail wheel.
> Dick N.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:30 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
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>> Jim;
>>
>> A couple of observations on the solid 6" Scott vs. the pneumatic 8"
>> tailwheel. First, weight. Most Piets tend to be tail-heavy, and according
>> to the Aircraft Spruce shipping weights, there is more than a 2 lb
>> difference between the 2000 and the 3200. That's a lot. Second, aircraft
>> angle in the 3-point attitude. The Piet's FC10 airfoil can still be
>> producing lift with 5.00 or 6.00 mains and a big tailwheel. The original
>> configuration is with a tailskid, which put the tail down lower. The people
>> who are flying with spoked wheels and a tailskid probably have the plane
>> nearer to a full-stall in the 3-point attitude than airplanes like mine,
>> and that gives you the slowest landing speed and the shortest landing roll.
>> Lastly, you should try taxiing a Piet with the 6" solid Scott on grass or
>> pavement. It will turn on a dime. Matter of fact, I have thought of
>> changing the spring tension on the tailwheel on mine to reduce the
>> sensitivity just a bit, although I do like to hav!
>> e the ability to make it go precisely where I want it to go. Now I'll
>> wait to hear from those who may be using the larger tailwheel to see if
>> I've missed an even better deal than I have with the solid 6".
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=409532#409532<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409532#409532>
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| Subject: | Re: No Matter Where You Go Good Pietenpol People are |
There.
You need to improve your wardrobe, Walter. Boats go in the WATER.
Airplanes go in the AIR.
Markle's a swell guy - one in a million. Did you check for your wallet
before you left, though?
;-)
I'm such a jerk!
Dan
do not archive
On 10/02/2013 06:39 AM, Overalles wrote:
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> When I lived in Kentucky I met Jeff Faith and he was very nice to let me come
visit, see his project and ask a ton of questions. Now I have moved to Kansas
and last night I was lucky enough to visit Jim Markle. I enjoyed visiting with
Jim and his Wife, left with some of Jim's extra parts and now know where Jim
lives (Jim may get tired of seeing me) and it is just a couple of hours down
the road. This Pietenpol Group is like no other.
>
> Thanks
> Walter Allen
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409653#409653
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| Subject: | Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** |
Man Chris, what a GREAT report and accomplishment for both you and your tes
t pilot. That guy did a great job flying and landing it even with the engi
ne misses. Love the sound of the engine and looks of it and the overal pl
ane is downright gorgeous. Way to go fella--nicely done!
Mike C. in Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** |
Thanks Mike,
I have to say your video which was the first thing I bought when I started this
project and it gave me inspiration the whole time. Everytime I would get tired
of the project, I would watch parts of your video and get all fired up again.....so
seeing this project finished is partially because of your plane and video!!
So thanks Man!
[quote="michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov"]Man Chris, what a GREAT report and accomplishment
for both you and your test pilot. That guy did a great job flying and landing
it even with the engine misses. Love the sound of the engine and looks
of it and the overal plane is downright gorgeous. Way to go fella--nicely
done!
Mike C. in Ohio
> [b]
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ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Arkansas builder |
Just noticed I was asked a question in one of the replys of my previous post.
I said I was big in size... well here's my best description. at last years pilot
physical I stood 5 ft 10 in. tall and weighed 230 lbs... it is true I am
sporting a little un-needed weight , might be a good inspiration to loose about
30 during the build. But in reality im not a big guy , just Arkansas stocky.
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Wow Chris, that is truly and honor to hear that my video partially helped y
ou to keep going on your project and FINISH it! I cannot believe how man
y people have told me they've enjoyed that video and it really was develope
d as a one-time, one builder (John Ficklin in Florida) project as John aske
d me help him out. I had no idea the video would go to all parts of Europe
, South Africa, Hawaii, Alaska, and Australia. You cats are crazy! H
ere I was hoping the video tape would help put your wives to sleep early so
you could go back out into the shop or basment and keep working until Jay
Leno came on!
I have to say that getting a ride in and seeing Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy b
ack in the 80's changed my whole mindset about what kind of flying and plan
e that I wanted. I thought I wanted a go-fast, closed cockpit. Frank's
ride to me launched me into old-time aviation. I bought an Aeroncan Cham
p with a church buddy Joe Tomasic in 1989 for $3,500 each and learned how t
o fly tailwheel airplanes.
Once Joe and I started flying the Aeronca with the door off I could NOT get
enough of that open air feeling and view. (especially during takeoff and
landing.) Once I had enough tailwheel time Frank was gracious enough to
let me fly his Sky Gypsy and that sealed the deal. The Aeronca was sold wh
en Joe retired and moved to Arizona an the Piet project got underway and I'
ve never looked back.
Fifteeen years later that sturdy, sturdy, and trusty little friend sitting
in the hangar has never disapointed me and has given myself and many others
great joy (and terror!:) over the years and still continues to do so.
The second half of your adventure (like Rick Holland's) has just gotten sta
rted Chris and we're thrilled for you! You've joined a very small group o
f builders who actually made it to the finish line and how you're already o
ff on the starting line of the most aviation fun you'll ever have!
Mike C. in Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Arkansas builder |
One other good thing about building an airplane is it can help you with
your motivation to stay on a diet plus maintaining good health in general
if you are worried about keeping your medical.
rh
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:40 AM, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> Just noticed I was asked a question in one of the replys of my previous
> post. I said I was big in size... well here's my best description. at
> last years pilot physical I stood 5 ft 10 in. tall and weighed 230 lbs...
> it is true I am sporting a little un-needed weight , might be a good
> inspiration to loose about 30 during the build. But in reality im not a big
> guy , just Arkansas stocky.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409696#409696
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Poly fiber issues |
On 10/1/2013 5:30 PM, taildrags wrote:
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> Rick; I can empathize with you... I searched high and low for a match for the
yellow on Scout and got pretty close with some, but the Poly-Tone yellow (which,
it turns out, is almost exactly the same yellow as is used on highway centerline
stripes) was always just a little different from what I was finding.
>
> I would go around the retail distributor and cut right to the source... Poly
Fiber in Riverside, CA. I would be greatly surprised if they weren't willing
and able to send you some actual color swatches of the paints that you are interested
in. And in fact, I have a daughter living in Carlsbad and family in Fallbrook,
not too far from Riverside, and if you needed to have someone go by
Poly Fiber to pick up swatches and mail them to you, I'll bet that could be arranged
too.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409619#409619
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>
Thanks Oscar,
I will get in touch with them and see what I can find out. The yellow I
am looking for is just an organish yellow. I am trying to simulate, or
at least get a little closer to the color of weathered fabric planes
finished with orange shellac. I have a copy of Sport Aviation from 1987
with a picture of Ken Hyde's Grand Champion Jenny. Eventhough this was a
new restoration, it was finished with clear dope, then orange shellac.
The final color is what I would like to get closer to, yet still use a
certified topcoat. I have attached a copy of the Jenny photo.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Poly fiber issues |
On 10/1/2013 6:35 PM, g. doe wrote:
> Rick, sorry to hear about this, I have several shades of yellow left
> over for different jobs, be glad to send them to you, I am sure the
> labels are still clear, gary in Kennesaw, GA.
>
>
Gary,
Thanks for the response. I just sent out an email to the list trying to
show what color I am looking for. What colors of Poly tone yellow do you
have? Just a dab of the paint on white card stock would be all that is
necessary for me.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: I'm honored! |
Great comments Mike. For me, I also often put on your tape for inspiration......
Believe it or not I am looking fwd to the rainy fall ans winter here in Seattle
- for some wonderful, warm days in the workshop....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Pietenpol RC Model |
Hi all,
As I mentioned previously I am building a 1:4.5 RC scale model of a Piet
before building the 1:1 scale model.
To this effect I am looking for some spruce offcuts. If anyone has a handful
of 1x1s about 4 feet in length they want to sell, please let me know
off-list. These can be the reject pieces you didn't use in your 1:1 Piet.
Thanks in advance, Dave
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| Subject: | Re: I'm honored! |
Jake;
Now that is one beautiful, graceful fuselage. Nice work.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol RC Model |
Also, Aircraft Spruce sells spruce cuttoffs -
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/wppages/bargainbag_spruce.php
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:22 PM, David <david@tynerroberts.com> wrote:
> Hi all, ****
>
> ** **
>
> As I mentioned previously I am building a 1:4.5 RC scale model of a Piet
> before building the 1:1 scale model.****
>
> ** **
>
> To this effect I am looking for some spruce offcuts. If anyone has a
> handful of 1x1s about 4 feet in length they want to sell, please let me
> know off-list. These can be the reject pieces you didn=92t use in your 1:
1
> Piet.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks in advance, Dave****
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | first little step |
finally got started and built one half of my work table. Why is I can figure in
my head how many 2x4's I will need , then find out I need twice as many!
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| Subject: | ###Second Flight#### |
The second flight went much smoother and incident free....I adjusted the mixture
control to about midway towards lean and wired it in place....did several static
pulls and it sounded really good and smooth. We took off and flew around
the patch for about 15 min problem free and very smooth running.!!! So we are
real close to getting the bugs worked out.
I am looking for advice as far as amount of force needed to keep the nose up. I
think I may have made a mistake by making the center lift struts equal length
with the riblett airfoil hence not giving me enough incidence. Has anyone else
have a nose heavy situation and how did you fix it? Anyone put shims in the
horizontal stabilizer ?
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Chris, we? Congratulations on some outstanding work!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:38 PM, "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> wrote:
>
> The second flight went much smoother and incident free....I adjusted the mixture
control to about midway towards lean and wired it in place....did several
static pulls and it sounded really good and smooth. We took off and flew around
the patch for about 15 min problem free and very smooth running.!!! So we are
real close to getting the bugs worked out.
> I am looking for advice as far as amount of force needed to keep the nose up.
I think I may have made a mistake by making the center lift struts equal length
with the riblett airfoil hence not giving me enough incidence. Has anyone else
have a nose heavy situation and how did you fix it? Anyone put shims in the
horizontal stabilizer ?
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409726#409726
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
"We"meaning me on the ground watching my test pilot having all the fun....it's
a joint effort!
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Chris; first of all, you need to change your signature line. It still says "On
The Final Push". Second, the need to hold back stick is unusual in these airplanes...
usually they are tail heavy. Most of the posts that you'll find in
the archives talk about *adding* incidence to the horizontal stabilizer, not *decreasing*
incidence. You're breaking new ground here with the Riblett airfoil
and equal-length cabanes.
Ideally, of course, you would increase the wing incidence by lengthening the front
cabanes a smidgen. However, that would probably be a major effort and would
probably also involve the lift struts, unless you have threaded fork ends on
them that would permit you to lengthen the front struts to accommodate more
wing incidence. You could probably play with the horizontal tail, but I don't
think it will be too easy at this point either. You could add more nose-up biasing
trim on the elevator, but that will increase drag and won't address the
real issue, which sounds like not enough wing incidence. I'll have to go back
to look at P.F. Beck's testing of the Riblett to see what he says about how
they set it.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Center lift struts? You mean the cabanes?
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Chris Rusch <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> wrote:
> rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
>
> The second flight went much smoother and incident free....I adjusted the
> mixture control to about midway towards lean and wired it in place....did
> several static pulls and it sounded really good and smooth. We took off and
> flew around the patch for about 15 min problem free and very smooth
> running.!!! So we are real close to getting the bugs worked out.
> I am looking for advice as far as amount of force needed to keep the nose
> up. I think I may have made a mistake by making the center lift struts
> equal length with the riblett airfoil hence not giving me enough incidence.
> Has anyone else have a nose heavy situation and how did you fix it? Anyone
> put shims in the horizontal stabilizer ?
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409726#409726
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Chris
Where in the range is your CG for these test flights?
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:41 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Chris; first of all, you need to change your signature line. It still
> says "On The Final Push". Second, the need to hold back stick is unusual
> in these airplanes... usually they are tail heavy. Most of the posts that
> you'll find in the archives talk about *adding* incidence to the horizontal
> stabilizer, not *decreasing* incidence. You're breaking new ground here
> with the Riblett airfoil and equal-length cabanes.
>
> Ideally, of course, you would increase the wing incidence by lengthening
> the front cabanes a smidgen. However, that would probably be a major
> effort and would probably also involve the lift struts, unless you have
> threaded fork ends on them that would permit you to lengthen the front
> struts to accommodate more wing incidence. You could probably play with
> the horizontal tail, but I don't think it will be too easy at this point
> either. You could add more nose-up biasing trim on the elevator, but that
> will increase drag and won't address the real issue, which sounds like not
> enough wing incidence. I'll have to go back to look at P.F. Beck's testing
> of the Riblett to see what he says about how they set it.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409738#409738
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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