---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/10/13: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:23 AM - Re: Progress report (danhelsper@aol.com) 2. 03:36 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (nightmare) 3. 04:19 AM - Re: webinar (womenfly2) 4. 07:27 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage tacked (aerocarjake) 5. 07:59 AM - Re: Mr Sam (N687MB) - Scott Tail Wheel (Fun2av8) 6. 08:34 AM - Re: Progress report (Ken Bickers) 7. 08:49 AM - A-65 tachometer cable (Ray Krause) 8. 09:07 AM - Re: Mr Sam - Pietenpol N687MB (Bill Church) 9. 09:36 AM - Archive searches (Bill Church) 10. 10:24 AM - Aviation Maintenance Technician Handbook (Catdesigns) 11. 10:58 AM - Re: A-65 tachometer cable (Ben Charvet) 12. 11:10 AM - W&B simplified------ (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 13. 11:16 AM - Re: Mr Sam - Pietenpol N687MB (Fun2av8) 14. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: webinar (Steven Dortch) 15. 01:41 PM - Re: A-65 tachometer cable (Ray Krause) 16. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Mr Sam (N687MB) - Scott Tail Wheel (Robert Bush) 17. 03:41 PM - FWIW - Please dont reply to Messages using Quote (Fun2av8) 18. 06:15 PM - Re: A-65 tachometer cable (Jack) 19. 07:24 PM - Re: FWIW - Please dont reply to Messages using Quote (Ryan Mueller) 20. 08:32 PM - new BPA Newsletter editor (taildrags) 21. 08:38 PM - Re: new BPA Newsletter editor (taildrags) 22. 10:31 PM - Re: W&B simplified------ (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress report From: danhelsper@aol.com Congratulation Rick. A long road coming close to fruition. Very exciting fo r you amigo. Thanks for sharing this. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Rick Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:38 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress report Well friends, Here is a progress report that I hope is some inspiration for the rest of y ou builders. I just finished the brush coats of primer on one of my wings toda y. I still need to do the other wing half, which I hope to finish tomorrow. All of the rest of the airframe is finished through the brushed primer coats. I plan on starting the final finish spray painting in the next week or so. Rick Schreiber, NX478RS Valparaiso, IN Sent from my iPad


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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "nightmare" Ill be priming and painting. Ill also fill with linseed oil, slosh around, drain, then weld air tight. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410201#410201 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: webinar From: "womenfly2" The presentation was very well presented and educational. I enjoyed watch it. Good see alternatives like this, helps bring down the cost of HB. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410202#410202 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked From: "aerocarjake" Looks great, wonderful...!! Do not archive -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410216#410216 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mr Sam (N687MB) - Scott Tail Wheel From: "Fun2av8" Has anyone had experience with Matco Tail Wheels ? I'm thinking about either: Tthe 6" solid rubber composite tail wheel $170 overall height is 9.71 inches & weighs 4.75 pounds. The 6" Pneumatic $199. Overall height is 9.71 inches. This assembly with pneumatic tire, tube, and wheel weighs 4.75 pounds. They are single arm as opposed to double arm which seems to be more durable and stable. But technology has advanced a lot. My concern is that with a single arm if will tend to lean to the side. Thoughts http://www.matcomfg.com/CANTILEVEREDTAILWHEELASSEMBLIESSINGLEARMFORK-tp2-69.html -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410217#410217 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_6_inch_solid_tail_wheel_dollar180_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_6_inch_pneumatic_tail_wheel_dollar200_907.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress report From: Ken Bickers Looking good, Rick. Cheers, Ken On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Rick wrote: > Well friends, > Here is a progress report that I hope is some inspiration for the rest of > you builders. I just finished the brush coats of primer on one of my wings > today. I still need to do the other wing half, which I hope to finish > tomorrow. All of the rest of the airframe is finished through the brushed > primer coats. > > I plan on starting the final finish spray painting in the next week or so. > > Rick Schreiber, > NX478RS > Valparaiso, IN > > > Sent from my iPad >

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> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 tachometer cable From: Ray Krause Does any one have a good tach cable for the A-65, probably about 4' long? ACS seems to have them, but it is hard to determine if they will fit the A-65. Another question: the tach I have is non-recording but I have a Hobbs meter with two leads ( it has only 14 hrs on it), can it be used without an electrical system, no battery planned? Does the oil pressure sensor somehow send a micro voltage? Maybe I should just get a recording tach! But I like the looks of the old one! Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout, motor mount done, working on the panel Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mr Sam - Pietenpol N687MB From: "Bill Church" Jim, Please stop referring to the "Mystery line" on your plans. There is no mystery. It's called a firewall. I believe your plane has the "long" fuselage. The photo clips that you posted are from the drawings for the "standard" fuselage (from the 1933 Improved Air Camper plans). The basic dimensions for the long fuselage were provided on a supplementary plan sheet, drawn up in the 1960's. However, there isn't a version of the drawing in your photo that applies to the long fuselage, so it's VERY likely that the builder of your plane just wrote in pencil, the dimensions that applied to his (your) plane. The distance from the firewall to the wing leading edge very well may be different from the number on your plans, as the wing may have been shifted to get the CG to fall in the acceptable range. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410220#410220 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Archive searches From: "Bill Church" TIP: When searching the archives for previous posts, there are two methods. The first is accessed through the Forum: http://forums.matronics.com/search.php The problem is that this method will only give results that were posted after the Forum was up and running (2006). Previous to the introduction of the Forums, the List operated using a different format. Those messages are all stored in the old archive, which is also searchable, and contains MANY more results than the Forum archive. Access the old archive here: http://www.matronics.com/search/ Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410225#410225 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aviation Maintenance Technician Handbook From: "Catdesigns" I recently discovered the book "Aviation Maintenance Technician Handbook - Airframe" published by the FAA in 2012. I think it has some helpful information on construction that might be of interest to new and tosome long time builders (me). Also, the graphic are much better than what I have seen in other FAA publications. Best of all you can download it for FREE off of their website. http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aircraft/amt_airframe_handbook/ Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410228#410228 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:39 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 tachometer cable Its been a few years, but I ordered my tach cable from ACS. I also ordered the right angle drive to simplify installation. The right angle drive enables you to use a clockwise or counter-clockwise tachometer. I bought one with a built in recording hour meter. For oil pressure it would probably be best to use a mechanical gauge, which involves running a simple tube from the engine to the gauge. I used automotive oil pressure and temp gauges and they don't use any electricity. Ben Charvet NX866BC 189 hours after the flight this morning On 10/10/2013 11:49 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Does any one have a good tach cable for the A-65, probably about 4' long? ACS seems to have them, but it is hard to determine if they will fit the A-65. > > Another question: the tach I have is non-recording but I have a Hobbs meter with two leads ( it has only 14 hrs on it), can it be used without an electrical system, no battery planned? Does the oil pressure sensor somehow send a micro voltage? Maybe I should just get a recording tach! But I like the looks of the old one! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout, motor mount done, working on the panel > > Sent from my iPad > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:54 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: W&B simplified------ Thank you Bill C. for pointing out that the mystery line is the datum and i f I can futher point out that my Uncle Tony suggests in his book series tha t it is so much less confusing to use the nose of the airplane as the datum-- -that way all of your moment arms are + positive numbers and there isn't any confusion with negative distances from the datum as when you use the fi rewall. I used the nose of my airplane for the datum and doing the W&B as described by Tony Bingelis was a very straightforward deal, even for a guy like me who struggled with math. (well okay....at least how to correctly score a bowling game) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mr Sam - Pietenpol N687MB From: "Fun2av8" Bill! Thank for pointing that out. I shoulda figured that out...duh! Thanks to a tip from Zeke, I googled Michael Brusilow and stumbled upon the Matronics Archives that has all his posts. Been reading them for hours. Learned so much about my Piet. Yes, it is the long fuse. Yes, the wings were shifted back 3.5". And the CG is 14.5 inches aft of the LE. And now I know what those 4 holes in the front cockpit floorboard are for. Color me a happy camper! -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410235#410235 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: webinar From: Steven Dortch Oscar yes it was Malcolm Morrison, The only thing he did not cover much was painting with a sponge roller. With Valspar tractor paing you should never: paint in the sun, wind or on a grassy or dirty surface. We painted my old Suburban on the grass in the ditch beside my hangar, on a 104 degree day in a 10-15 mph breeze. It was red, just not shiny. The paint has turned black somewhat and is peeling off in some places. I sold that old truck to a coworker. He has put Big new shiny rims with big tires, replaced the exhaust, rear axle, steering box, power stearing system, radiator, had the AC worked over, replaced all fluids and most seals, had the interior detailed, shocks all the way around, and drives it today. He is a doctor and likes the rough appearance and so won't paint it. It will live forever. Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:46 PM, taildrags wrote: > > [UNCLASSIFIED] Steve- was the latex paint webinar by Malcolm Morrison? > I've got to view that one. I've heard good things about it. > > I recall the red paint job that you, Steve & Freda Jones put on your old > Chevy Suburban in the blazing Texas heat. I think the paint was curing as > soon as it left the spray nozzle, so it's no surprise that the Suburban > didn't end up looking exactly like a Ferrari. It also might have helped if > the masking tape would have come off before the Texas sun permanently > attached the adhesive to your chrome trim ;o) It sure looked like y'all > had fun painting that day though. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410194#410194 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:24 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 tachometer cable Thanks, Ben. I think I will just call ACS and see what they recommend for my set up. And thanks for the help with the oil pressure. I will have it all solved today, I hope! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > > Its been a few years, but I ordered my tach cable from ACS. I also ordered the right angle drive to simplify installation. The right angle drive enables you to use a clockwise or counter-clockwise tachometer. I bought one with a built in recording hour meter. For oil pressure it would probably be best to use a mechanical gauge, which involves running a simple tube from the engine to the gauge. I used automotive oil pressure and temp gauges and they don't use any electricity. > > Ben Charvet > NX866BC > 189 hours after the flight this morning > >> On 10/10/2013 11:49 AM, Ray Krause wrote: >> >> Does any one have a good tach cable for the A-65, probably about 4' long? ACS seems to have them, but it is hard to determine if they will fit the A-65. >> >> Another question: the tach I have is non-recording but I have a Hobbs meter with two leads ( it has only 14 hrs on it), can it be used without an electrical system, no battery planned? Does the oil pressure sensor somehow send a micro voltage? Maybe I should just get a recording tach! But I like the looks of the old one! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> SkyScout, motor mount done, working on the panel >> >> Sent from my iPad > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mr Sam (N687MB) - Scott Tail Wheel From: Robert Bush Hi Jim, I am using the Matco solid tail wheel on miss le Bec . 550 hours with no problems Randy Bush NX294RB Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:59 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > > Has anyone had experience with Matco Tail Wheels ? > > I'm thinking about either: > > Tthe 6" solid rubber composite tail wheel $170 overall height is 9.71 inches & weighs 4.75 pounds. > > The 6" Pneumatic $199. Overall height is 9.71 inches. This assembly with pneumatic tire, tube, and wheel weighs 4.75 pounds. > > They are single arm as opposed to double arm which seems to be more durable and stable. But technology has advanced a lot. My concern is that with a single arm if will tend to lean to the side. > > Thoughts > > > http://www.matcomfg.com/CANTILEVEREDTAILWHEELASSEMBLIESSINGLEARMFORK-tp2-69.html > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410217#410217 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_6_inch_solid_tail_wheel_dollar180_130.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_6_inch_pneumatic_tail_wheel_dollar200_907.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: FWIW - Please dont reply to Messages using Quote From: "Fun2av8" I Know... I Know ... Its not my place to say this.....BUT !!!! In the interest of easy to read threads ... Please do not use the QUOTE button at the bottom of each post withing the thread. When you do Matronics copies the original post and dumps it below your response in your post. This sometimes makes the replies really long and there is no point. Please, Please use the REPLY POST button at the top and bottom of the thread. The posts are chronological.... No reason to repost the context that you are replying to. I Know... I Know ... Its not my place to say this.....BUT !!!! -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410265#410265 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 tachometer cable From: Jack Ben can you expand on how a right angle drive can work with both? I have a C85 and a counterclockwise tach. Thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > Its been a few years, but I ordered my tach cable from ACS. I also ordered the right angle drive to simplify installation. The right angle drive enables you to use a clockwise or counter-clockwise tachometer. I bought one with a built in recording hour meter. For oil pressure it would probably be best to use a mechanical gauge, which involves running a simple tube from the engine to the gauge. I used automotive oil pressure and temp gauges and they don't use any electricity. > > Ben Charvet > NX866BC > 189 hours after the flight this morning > > On 10/10/2013 11:49 AM, Ray Krause wrote: >> >> Does any one have a good tach cable for the A-65, probably about 4' long? ACS seems to have them, but it is hard to determine if they will fit the A-65. >> >> Another question: the tach I have is non-recording but I have a Hobbs meter with two leads ( it has only 14 hrs on it), can it be used without an electrical system, no battery planned? Does the oil pressure sensor somehow send a micro voltage? Maybe I should just get a recording tach! But I like the looks of the old one! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> SkyScout, motor mount done, working on the panel >> >> Sent from my iPad > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:06 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FWIW - Please dont reply to Messages using Quote Minor correction: the Quote button is on the top right of each post in the thread, not the bottom. Additionally, it's the "Post Reply" button; but I digress... This is all well and good if one participates in the list via the web-based forum, but some of us participate in the list solely via email; it is an "Internet Email Group", after all. That being the case, the email user replies to the particular list email message they wish to comment on and (generally speaking) their email client/web-based email system/smartphone/what have you includes the content of the email they are replying to below their message. You may ask/hope that listers snip that original message down to the content pertinent to their reply, or that they include the "do not archive" tag if their submission is not necessarily contributing content that needs to go in to the list archive...but that's about all you can do. No point in getting too worked up about it...save the energy for easier hobbies, like cat-herding and W&B complication, Ryan On 10/10/2013 05:41 PM, Fun2av8 wrote: > > I Know... I Know ... Its not my place to say this.....BUT !!!! > > In the interest of easy to read threads ... Please do not use the QUOTE button at the bottom of each post withing the thread. When you do Matronics copies the original post and dumps it below your response in your post. This sometimes makes the replies really long and there is no point. > > Please, Please use the REPLY POST button at the top and bottom of the thread. The posts are chronological.... No reason to repost the context that you are replying to. > > I Know... I Know ... Its not my place to say this.....BUT !!!! > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: new BPA Newsletter editor From: "taildrags" I got my new BPA Newsletter in the mail the other day (lots of good stuff in there, by the way), and I see that John Hofmann has stepped up as the new editor, beginning with the January 2014 issue. Perfect timing, kicking off the 85th anniversary year of the Piet. John will, of course, be succeeding Doc and Dee Mosher, who have raised that baby with loving care and kept it interesting and timely. I look forward to every issue. My favorite article in the latest issue is "A Brodhead Odyssey", Douwe Blumberg's narrative about his and Marci's trip to Brodhead 2013. Since I will probably not live to make that flight myself, I really enjoyed Douwe's story and the encouraging things that he found at old-timey airports along the way. Great reading. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410283#410283 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: new BPA Newsletter editor From: "taildrags" PS, also in the current issue is the logo for the 2013 Brodhead event, which is really nice. If anyone knows how I can get in touch with Pat Weeden to find out more about the logo and possibly use the graphic for an art project that I have in mind, I would appreciate it. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410284#410284 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W&B simplified------ From: "aerocarjake" Bowling scoring as applied to airplanes: if you have a good landing you get two additional tries :-) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410286#410286 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.