---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/20/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Re: Jeep Engine (aviken) 2. 09:12 AM - Re: Thinking about selling... (Greg Cardinal) 3. 10:16 AM - Re: Jeep Engine (Steven Dortch) 4. 02:31 PM - Re: Jeep Engine (GNflyer) 5. 06:33 PM - A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (jarheadpilot82) 6. 07:15 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Bkemike) 7. 07:37 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Gary Boothe) 8. 08:34 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Ken Bickers) 9. 09:11 PM - Re: Jeep Engine (taildrags) 10. 11:49 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine From: "aviken" Thanks for all the discussion on the possibility of a Jeep engine being tried on a piet. I just threw this out originally to see if it had been tried before. It may not work for many reasons , or it may work fine, but maybe I should have had a little more information on my end before I asked the question. Therefore since I own said engine and since I like tinkering on old engines, I will re-build , mount a prop, and see what it will do. At least then I can come back to this forum with a little bit of data and not just the wonderings of a newbie. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410911#410911 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:58 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling... Just remember Steve, little girls grow up to be teenage girls with lots of girlfriends. These teenage girlfriends will all want to go for airplane rides. Your teenage daughters will then go to college and join sororities. All of their sorority sisters will be very enthusiastic about going for airplane rides. The Pietenpol ROCKS more than any other airplane for giving rides. Think carefully before you sell your Air Camper and lose these opportunities. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ruse" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling... > > > I really hate to do it, but I'm thinking about selling my GN-1. I bought > it in '05, and have flown it more than 400 trouble-free hours since then, > including going from Indiana to TX and OK to Oshkosh and back. It is an > incredibly fun airplane...I'd rather fly it than the Cardinal, 172, Pacer, > or other airplanes I fly, though those serve their own purposes well. I > even took it to 10,500' once (it was cold). I don't have to explain to > most of you guys how great these planes are...most of you already know. > The issue is that I have two little girls now, 2-1/2 and 6 months old, and > since the first was born I very rarely fly the Piet, because I always take > the older one with me when I fly somewhere. So, it has only flown a few > hours a year for the last two years, and I don't see how that will change > in the next 5 to 10 years. I see no point in letting the plane sit > unused, while paying for the hangar and to keep it airworthy. It would > always be in the back of my mind to own a Piet again one day. My plan > would be to buy a fun taildragger (with partners) that the kids could ride > in with me for pancake runs, hamburger runs, and exploring the area (my > 2-1/2 year old has about 70 hours with me in various planes...at three > months old the new one flew 700NM with me from OK to MN and back). > > A picture of the plane about two years ago: > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0622.JPG > > My trip home in it, as a green pilot with about 70 hours total time: > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/ > > Continental A-75, Cloudcars Prop > Approx 1,000hrs SMOH > Two cylinders with less than 100hrs > Slick impulse mags > Engine runs great > 18.3 gallon nose tank (extended nose) > Around 700 hours TTAF > Built in 1983, new paint in the late 90s. > Ceconite > Narrowed cub gear. Cub firewall forward > Battery on firewall for GPS, intercom and handheld > External antenna on bottom of nose (I kept it at Meacham, under DFW's > class Bravo for a while) > When doing work on the plane, I try to do absolutely top notch work using > the best parts, or I don't do it. I striped and painted the eyebrows, > made new ceramic coated exaust, stripped/painted the valve covers, just > finished "overhauling" the tailwheel, have new bungees ready to go on it, > tires are in good shape, refinished the wood cap strips on both sides of > the fuselage as they were showing wear, built aluminum skidplates for the > pilots feet, etc., i.e., I've tried to keep it from getting run-down. > > $11,000 > Will deliver anywhere for expenses. > > I sure would miss the helpfulness, mechanical know-how, and general > tomfoolery of this group. Somebody talk me out of it... > > Why I'm considering selling: > https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/882731_3875851994027_490128259_o.jpg > https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/857973_3838437818696_403070781_o.jpg > https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1048782_4321221967998_2121877435_o.jpg > https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/885131_3938321515726_190557642_o.jpg > https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/944778_4589598277238_988261282_n.jpg > https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1173752_4589746760950_1590818820_n.jpg > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > 405-209-9010 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine From: Steven Dortch Parts are plentiful and look fairly cheap for an old engine. JC whitney has lots of them. I love Jeeps, So why not. Stick a Willy's logo on the engine. I think Bernard would approve. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Michael Weston wrote: > smikewest@comcast.net> > > apparently the path to the future isn't paved with enthusiasm. I'm out. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine From: "GNflyer" I love it when folks start to think about alternative engines like that. not tha I don't admire he model A but something with a good strong crank, replaceable bearings, long stroke and a history of dependability sure gets me wondering too.- I like Ford 300 sixes but that may be a little overboard. I just flew my Clipwing Challenger I have been advertising to sell so I can spend all my flying thoughts on the Grega. I should have flown it today to check out the new bungees, but I needed to get a good test on the Challenger.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410943#410943 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help From: "jarheadpilot82" I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control horns. I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How do I make the last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where the arrow points and the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can see the place needing to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is 0.032 4130 sheet steel. I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question. Your advice is greatly appreciated -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410959#410959 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_184.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_369.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:19 PM PST US From: Bkemike Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help Terry, I just did mine last week (same thickness) and resorted to a bandsaw. My snips just wouldn't do it. Since everything gets bent and/or welded, I'm not sure how critical most of those dimensions are. Mike Hardaway Politely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad. > On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control horns. I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How do I make the last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where the arrow points and the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can see the place needing to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is 0.032 4130 sheet steel. > > I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question. > Your advice is greatly appreciated > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410959#410959 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_184.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_369.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help I used a band saw, like Mike, but drilled a 3/16" hole at the 'T', two 1/8" holes at the ends of the 'T'. The 3/16" hole allows some room to move the blade around, and can be properly rounded with a file when done. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bkemike Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help Terry, I just did mine last week (same thickness) and resorted to a bandsaw. My snips just wouldn't do it. Since everything gets bent and/or welded, I'm not sure how critical most of those dimensions are. Mike Hardaway Politely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad. > On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > --> > > I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control horns. I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How do I make the last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where the arrow points and the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can see the place needing to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is 0.032 4130 sheet steel. > > I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question. > Your advice is greatly appreciated > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410959#410959 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_184.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_369.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help From: Ken Bickers I don't have a band saw. I found that a dremel worked just fine. Ken On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > I used a band saw, like Mike, but drilled a 3/16" hole at the 'T', two 1/8" > holes at the ends of the 'T'. The 3/16" hole allows some room to move the > blade around, and can be properly rounded with a file when done. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bkemike > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:13 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help > > > Terry, I just did mine last week (same thickness) and resorted to a > bandsaw. > My snips just wouldn't do it. Since everything gets bent and/or welded, I'm > not sure how critical most of those dimensions are. > Mike Hardaway > > Politely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad. > > > > On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "jarheadpilot82" < > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > --> > > > > I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control > horns. I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How > do I make the last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where > the > arrow points and the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can > see the place needing to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is > 0.032 > 4130 sheet steel. > > > > I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question. > > Your advice is greatly appreciated > > > > -------- > > Semper Fi, > > > > Terry Hand > > Athens, GA > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410959#410959 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_184.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_369.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine From: "taildrags" Absolutely; that's the right attitude. Turn the Willys engine around, see about fitting it with a prop hub and magneto, put it on those ash engine bearers, then see what it will pull with a hand-carved wooden prop on it. Bernard would be very pleased. And it's water-cooled! So, to reinforce that thought, just remember that "real FBOs carry antifreeze" ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410966#410966 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:08 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help A hole should have been drilled at the end of the cut on each side. This is standard practice to prevent the possibility of cracks developing later in use. It's called stop-drilling.You can still save the day with a cabide, pointy nose bit for your dremel. Just carefully stick it into the end of your cut and round out a small pocket, maybe 1/8 to 5/32" dia. Next ones, drill end holes first and cut into them. Clif A thousand bad beginnings are worth more than one success. Someone ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers I don't have a band saw. I found that a dremel worked just fine. 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