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1. 03:57 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Michael Perez)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (jarheadpilot82)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (pringljo)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (airlion2@gmail.com)
5. 10:13 AM - Re: Thinking about selling... (danhelsper@aol.com)
6. 11:40 AM - Re: Thinking about selling... (AircamperN11MS)
7. 02:07 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Rick Holland)
8. 02:22 PM - Re: tail wheel adjustment (Rick Holland)
9. 02:48 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (bdewenter)
10. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Barry Davis)
11. 03:26 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (nightmare)
12. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Chris)
13. 05:06 PM - Re: Thinking about selling... (Dan Yocum)
14. 05:07 PM - Bottom line is...Solid control horns (Ben Charvet)
15. 06:27 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (nightmare)
16. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Gary Boothe)
17. 08:25 PM - Fabric finale (Ken Bickers)
18. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Greg Cardinal)
19. 09:13 PM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Cliff attached are three pictures for you to see how I handled this. The fi
rst, is the finished horn. You can see the remains of the drilled holes tha
t make up the bent corners at each end of the tabs, as others had spoken ab
out.- The second and third picture, although not a control horn, gives yo
u an idea on how to make the "cut" using multiple holes.=0A=0AOn your pictu
re, cut the vertical line of the "T" with a hacksaw. Then drill multiple sm
all holes across the top of the "T". Bend the tabs, then clean with a file.
Use a small rat tail file to clean up the drilled "corners" of the bends.
=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APiete
npol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Got it! Thanks for the great replies! Construction techniques and advice are the
parts of this forum.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I think that
this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way,
and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones.
BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.
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Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Joe, I have the solid ones made from .90 sheet metal and the work just fine . gardiner
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> On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:33 AM, "pringljo" <joseph.pringle@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I think
that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way,
and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones.
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> BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.
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> Joe Pringle
> Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
Yea, and here's the proof!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Oct 20, 2013 11:13 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling...
t>
Just remember Steve, little girls grow up to be teenage girls with lots of
girlfriends. These teenage girlfriends will all want to go for airplane
rides.
Your teenage daughters will then go to college and join sororities. All of
their sorority sisters will be very enthusiastic about going for airplane
rides.
The Pietenpol ROCKS more than any other airplane for giving rides. Think
carefully before you sell your Air Camper and lose these opportunities.
Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
Steve,
Don't sell you kids short. I grew up helping dad build in 1972 and fly the Piet
I have, and my daughters grew up flying and helped me rebuild the plane in 2000.
My youngest daughter and son-in-law got their pilots licenses and when she
can afford to keep and maintain it , I will give it to her someday. The plane
has become a family heirloom.
Yes it is worth keeping,
My 3 cents,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Think I used a Dremel with one of those small cutoff wheels.
rh
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control
> horns. I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How
> do I make the last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where
> the arrow points and the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You
> can see the place needing to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is
> 0.032 4130 sheet steel.
>
> I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question.
> Your advice is greatly appreciated
>
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> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel adjustment |
Glad you got it figured out Bob, and you have a beautiful machine there.
rich h
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>wrote:
> Rick I stated it wrong, it wasn't the tail wheels fault it
> was my fault. I didn't have it adjusted properly. I have rudder pedals and
> I had the tail wheel turning the same as the rudder so the rudder goes 30
> degree and the tail wheel breaks loose at 15 degree so I had no control. I
> moved the wheel cable location down closer to the bottom of the pedal so
> now when the rudder is 30 degree the tail wheel is about 13 degree and will
> not break loose during taxi and I have good control. To turn I use the
> brake and the tail wheel breaks loose. The FAA inspector said this should
> work fine and it does. I have a leaf spring tail wheel. Bob Edson
> (Branson Mo)
>
> --
>
> Robert S. Edson
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Terry,
I used a waterjet machine! Used .065" 4130 - single piece for all my "horns" and
.090 for engine mounts and LG fittings. HUGE time saver. 8 engine mount fittings,
8 LG fittings, 6 "horns" about $170 for the service.
BARGAIN
See you all at Barnwell.
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
A friend of mine bought a Piet in S Georgia and during his trip back to his
home in Florida, was hit with turbulence. Next thing he knew, all his cables
went slack and he could not keep it in the air. He stuck it in the side of a
big pine tree and climbed down but could not figure out which direction the
highway was that he was following. He went back and dug the compass out with
his knife and promptly found the road just as the firemen were coming to
find him. Someone had seen him go down from the highway and called it in.
Bottom line is...Solid control horns.
Since you are so close to us, we can help with them if needed.
Barry
NX973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 9:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
--> <joseph.pringle@gmail.com>
Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I
think that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up
this way, and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones.
BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.
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Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
I see .065 and .090 1 piece control horns. Is one more common than the other? Are
the OEM piet horns the most common?
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Barry
When and where did this occur? I thought I had read about all the Pietenpol
accidents in the FAA's database and I don't remember this one. I would like
to know more details.
Thanks
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs
Help
A friend of mine bought a Piet in S Georgia and during his trip back to his
home in Florida, was hit with turbulence. Next thing he knew, all his cables
went slack and he could not keep it in the air. He stuck it in the side of a
big pine tree and climbed down but could not figure out which direction the
highway was that he was following. He went back and dug the compass out with
his knife and promptly found the road just as the firemen were coming to
find him. Someone had seen him go down from the highway and called it in.
Bottom line is...Solid control horns.
Since you are so close to us, we can help with them if needed.
Barry
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 9:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
--> <joseph.pringle@gmail.com>
Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I
think that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up
this way, and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones.
BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.
--------
Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
Steve,
There are a lot of Piets in the States that come and go on Barnstormers, the BPA
newsletter, etc. There will always be one for sale. Save your money, take
care of your wife and kids, sell the Piet now, buy or build another when the time
is right.
Dan and Greg - how old were your kids when you built your Piets? Not 2 1/2.
Scott - how old were you when you helped your dad build? How old were your daughters
when they helped you rebuild? Not 2 1/2.
Leave poor Steve alone. This is a hard decision, he's good people and deserves
our support. All y'all need re-read Douwe's article in the last BPA newsletter,
esp. the 2nd to last paragraph.
Dan
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
On Oct 19, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote:
>
> I really hate to do it, but I'm thinking about selling my GN-1. I bought it
in '05, and have flown it more than 400 trouble-free hours since then, including
going from Indiana to TX and OK to Oshkosh and back. It is an incredibly fun
airplane...I'd rather fly it than the Cardinal, 172, Pacer, or other airplanes
I fly, though those serve their own purposes well. I even took it to 10,500'
once (it was cold). I don't have to explain to most of you guys how great
these planes are...most of you already know. The issue is that I have two little
girls now, 2-1/2 and 6 months old, and since the first was born I very rarely
fly the Piet, because I always take the older one with me when I fly somewhere.
So, it has only flown a few hours a year for the last two years, and I
don't see how that will change in the next 5 to 10 years. I see no point in
letting the plane sit unused, while paying for the hangar and to keep it airworthy.
It would always be in the back of my mind to own a Piet again one day.
My plan would be to buy a fun taildragger (with partners) that the kids could
ride in with me for pancake runs, hamburger runs, and exploring the area (my 2-1/2
year old has about 70 hours with me in various planes...at three months old
the new one flew 700NM with me from OK to MN and back).
>
> A picture of the plane about two years ago:
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0622.JPG
>
> My trip home in it, as a green pilot with about 70 hours total time:
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/
>
> Continental A-75, Cloudcars Prop
> Approx 1,000hrs SMOH
> Two cylinders with less than 100hrs
> Slick impulse mags
> Engine runs great
> 18.3 gallon nose tank (extended nose)
> Around 700 hours TTAF
> Built in 1983, new paint in the late 90s.
> Ceconite
> Narrowed cub gear. Cub firewall forward
> Battery on firewall for GPS, intercom and handheld
> External antenna on bottom of nose (I kept it at Meacham, under DFW's class Bravo
for a while)
> When doing work on the plane, I try to do absolutely top notch work using the
best parts, or I don't do it. I striped and painted the eyebrows, made new ceramic
coated exaust, stripped/painted the valve covers, just finished "overhauling"
the tailwheel, have new bungees ready to go on it, tires are in good shape,
refinished the wood cap strips on both sides of the fuselage as they were
showing wear, built aluminum skidplates for the pilots feet, etc., i.e., I've
tried to keep it from getting run-down.
>
> $11,000
> Will deliver anywhere for expenses.
>
> I sure would miss the helpfulness, mechanical know-how, and general tomfoolery
of this group. Somebody talk me out of it...
>
> Why I'm considering selling:
> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/882731_3875851994027_490128259_o.jpg
> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/857973_3838437818696_403070781_o.jpg
> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1048782_4321221967998_2121877435_o.jpg
> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/885131_3938321515726_190557642_o.jpg
> https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/944778_4589598277238_988261282_n.jpg
> https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1173752_4589746760950_1590818820_n.jpg
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
> 405-209-9010
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bottom line is...Solid control horns |
Barry,
You never mentioned what the actual failure was.. was it solid control
horns or per plans, what caused the failure, etc. I can't imagine how
the failure of one control horn could make all the cables go slack. I
have the control horns as per the plans, and give them a thorough check
as my pre-flight. They are light and strong, proven over the years. I
worry that over time they could rust from the inside, even though I
coated the inside with paint pretty well prior to installing them.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC, 185 hours, pretty much built to the plans
On 10/21/2013 6:09 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
>
> A friend of mine bought a Piet in S Georgia and during his trip back to his
> home in Florida, was hit with turbulence. Next thing he knew, all his cables
> went slack and he could not keep it in the air. He stuck it in the side of a
> big pine tree and climbed down but could not figure out which direction the
> highway was that he was following. He went back and dug the compass out with
> his knife and promptly found the road just as the firemen were coming to
> find him. Someone had seen him go down from the highway and called it in.
> Bottom line is...Solid control horns.
> Since you are so close to us, we can help with them if needed.
> Barry
> NX973BP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 9:33 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
>
> --> <joseph.pringle@gmail.com>
>
> Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I
> think that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up
> this way, and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones.
>
>
> BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.
>
> --------
> Joe Pringle
> Atlanta, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410993#410993
>
>
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Not sure if same accident I read about, but I did run across a piet accident ,somewhere
in the interweb, caused because of a poorly welded elevator control horn.
Dont remember any other details.
How do you piet flyers feel about the orig design? Do you recommend keeping it
original, or the 1 piece version?
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
I imagine Dan Helsper's having an apoplexy right now. As soon as he's
better, he may have something to say...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
--> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Not sure if same accident I read about, but I did run across a piet accident
,somewhere in the interweb, caused because of a poorly welded elevator
control horn. Dont remember any other details.
How do you piet flyers feel about the orig design? Do you recommend
keeping it original, or the 1 piece version?
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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Tonight I finished all the fabric work on my project. Tomorrow I have an
hour or two of ironing down pinked edges, then prep work for painting.
Life is good.
Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
I recommend the original version. The original version will be lighter and,
in my experience, much stronger than a one piece control horn.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Not sure if same accident I read about, but I did run across a piet
> accident ,somewhere in the interweb, caused because of a poorly welded
> elevator control horn. Dont remember any other details.
> How do you piet flyers feel about the orig design? Do you recommend
> keeping it original, or the 1 piece version?
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Me? Too late Micheal, mine were done years ago. :-)
With all the pics I've taken over the years somehow
I didn't take any of the horns!! Or lost them. I used
to have someone in the house who crashed my
pooter at least three times. Gone now.
Clif with one "F" not two.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is
serious. -Brendan Gill
Cliff attached are three pictures for you to see how I handled this.
The first, is the finished horn. You can see the remains of the drilled
holes that make up the bent corners If God is your co-pilot...switch
seats.
Michael Perez
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