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1. 03:28 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Michael Perez)
2. 03:48 AM - Re: Fabric finale (Mark Stanley)
3. 05:18 AM - Re: Thinking about selling... (AircamperN11MS)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Thinking about selling... (Ryan Mueller)
5. 07:28 AM - A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Michael Perez)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Gary Boothe)
7. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: Thinking about selling... (Marcus Zechini)
8. 08:29 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Don Emch)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: Fabric finale (Ken Bickers)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Chuck Campbell)
11. 08:46 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Ken Bickers)
12. 08:51 AM - Re: Thinking about selling... (AircamperN11MS)
13. 08:54 AM - Re: Fabric finale (Rick Holland)
14. 09:29 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (John Fastnaught)
15. 10:06 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Steven Dortch)
16. 11:02 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Michael Perez)
17. 11:10 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (giacummo)
18. 11:40 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Ryan Mueller)
19. 11:54 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (tkreiner)
20. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Scott Knowlton)
21. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Scott Knowlton)
22. 03:24 PM - Re: Thinking about selling... (Don Emch)
23. 05:38 PM - Jeep motor thoughts (Douwe Blumberg)
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Ooops. Sorry Cliff,- my post was to Terry. =0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pil
ot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric finale |
Looking good Ken! I like the slightly see through fuz in the first shot.
Have you picked a colour scheme out yet?
Cheers
Mark S
Japan
Do not archive
From: Ken Bickers
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fabric finale
Tonight I finished all the fabric work on my project. Tomorrow I have
an hour or two of ironing down pinked edges, then prep work for
painting. Life is good.
Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
Dan, Steve,
I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his post that
he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certified
one at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial.
My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memories
and his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve's
post he asked to be talked out of it.
I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad if he
did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this list
fall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when the poster
ask for comments like Steve did.
Very respectfully to all,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
I can appreciate where Dan is coming from, considering he had to make a similar
decision not long ago, and having been on the receiving end of a bit of a guilt
trip (well-intentioned as it may have been) about selling his Piet as well.
The ownership cost of a certified aircraft could be allayed if Steve is able to
share it with other partners. In regard to making family memories, if Steve follows
through with his plan of acquiring a "fun taildragger" that both the kids
could fly in (a short-wing Piper for example, as shown in one of his pics),
then he has the opportunity to involve them equally in making new family flying
memories, instead of just one at a time.
While it would be unfortunate for Steve to sell the Piet, if it allows him to create
a situation where he can more fully involve his girls in aviation and share
those experiences with them both, then it sounds like the way to go.
Ryan
On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:18 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> Dan, Steve,
>
> I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his post
that he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certified
one at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial.
My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memories
and his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve's
post he asked to be talked out of it.
>
> I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad if
he did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this list
fall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when the
poster ask for comments like Steve did.
>
> Very respectfully to all,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411065#411065
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| Subject: | A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine connec
ted to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65, but ma
ybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection made. (D
irectly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...)=0A=0AThe ones I
have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust out the botto
m of the engine cowl.=0A=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakerae
ro.com
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| Subject: | A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
You want to introduce motor oil to your carb?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust
I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine
connected to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65,
but maybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection
made. (Directly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...)
The ones I have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust out
the bottom of the engine cowl.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
I know how conflicted Dan was....sorry, Dan!
My kids are grown, but love visiting to ride in the Piet. I could not have
owned, for various reasons, when they were young.
On Oct 22, 2013 9:29 AM, "Ryan Mueller" <ryan@rmueller.org> wrote:
>
> I can appreciate where Dan is coming from, considering he had to make a
> similar decision not long ago, and having been on the receiving end of a
> bit of a guilt trip (well-intentioned as it may have been) about selling
> his Piet as well.
>
> The ownership cost of a certified aircraft could be allayed if Steve is
> able to share it with other partners. In regard to making family memories,
> if Steve follows through with his plan of acquiring a "fun taildragger"
> that both the kids could fly in (a short-wing Piper for example, as shown
> in one of his pics), then he has the opportunity to involve them equally in
> making new family flying memories, instead of just one at a time.
>
> While it would be unfortunate for Steve to sell the Piet, if it allows him
> to create a situation where he can more fully involve his girls in aviation
> and share those experiences with them both, then it sounds like the way to
> go.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:18 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
> wrote:
>
> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
> >
> > Dan, Steve,
> >
> > I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his
> post that he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane,
> a certified one at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a
> Piet is substantial. My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed
> to many family memories and his plane could do the same for him. And then
> at the end of Steve's post he asked to be talked out of it.
> >
> > I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel
> bad if he did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on
> this list fall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people
> out when the poster ask for comments like Steve did.
> >
> > Very respectfully to all,
> >
> > --------
> > Scott Liefeld
> > Flying N11MS since March 1972
> > Steel Tube
> > C-85-12
> > Wire Wheels
> > Brodhead in 1996
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411065#411065
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
Engine oil mixed with watery condensation being ducted to the carburetor would
be a bad idea. Much better to let that stuff spatter itself on the belly.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric finale |
Mark, thanks. I'm going with a crimson and cream look. Actually Tennessee
red and Juneau white. Best, Ken
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mark Stanley <mmrally@nifty.com> wrote:
> Looking good Ken! I like the slightly see through fuz in the first shot.
> Have you picked a colour scheme out yet?
>
> Cheers
> Mark S
> Japan
>
> Do not archive
>
> *From:* Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:24 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Fabric finale
>
> Tonight I finished all the fabric work on my project. Tomorrow I have
> an hour or two of ironing down pinked edges, then prep work for painting.
> Life is good.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help |
Joe=2C I made all my control horns from 3/32-inch thick 4130 steel rather t
han the hollow ones. They might be a bit heavier than the others but very
much easier to build. Chuck
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
> From: joseph.pringle@gmail.com
> Date: Mon=2C 21 Oct 2013 06:33:23 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
m>
>
> Are you making your control horns from solid=2C one piece sheet metal? I
think that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set u
p this way=2C and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow
ones.
>
> BTW=2C I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.
>
> --------
> Joe Pringle
> Atlanta=2C GA
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
Michael, you might consider installing an oil-air separator. Aircraft
Spruce sells one that is pretty cheap (though a bit on the big size). Most
of the corvair guys install separators. I'd love to have one on my Pacer.
Oil on the belly of an airplane is no fun to clean. Ken
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> You want to introduce motor oil to your carb?****
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> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Perez
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:28 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust****
>
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> I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine
> connected to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65,
> but maybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection
> made. (Directly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...)****
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> The ones I have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust
> out the bottom of the engine cowl.****
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> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com****
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
Dan and others,
Sorry if I offended you with my thoughts. I didn't know your back story.
Regards,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric finale |
Good work Ken, isn't that ironing part fun?
rick h
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tonight I finished all the fabric work on my project. Tomorrow I have an
> hour or two of ironing down pinked edges, then prep work for painting.
> Life is good.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
Mike,
I have a Ford model A and have a copper tube from the old distributor port t
o the intake tube to the carburetor. The previous owner made the set up and s
ince I am using different manifolds I had to modify it a little. I haven't r
un the engine since overhaul but I have great confidence in the system.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wro
te:
>
> I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine conne
cted to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65, but ma
ybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection made. (Di
rectly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...)
>
> The ones I have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust ou
t the bottom of the engine cowl.
>
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
In theory it would work quite well. The only problem is if the air/oil
separator gets overwhelmed (it can and does happen). Then it will be
pumping oil into your carb heat section. When you open it you will now be
pushing oily air into your carb and potentially vaporized oil.
The one on my Vtail dumps it out the bottom of the plane.
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
I ask because I came across this (below) and have never heard of, or seen such
a setup.
"DETAIL SPECIFICATION
For
ENGINE, AIRCRAFT CONTINENTAL
(Mfrs. Model A65 Series 8, 8J, 8F, 8FJ
CONTINENTAL MOTORS CORPORATION
MUSKEGON, MICHIGAN"
"(d) The breather connection is located at the front right hand side of the crankcase
and a 5/8 in. standard ell hose fitting is provided. Breather pipe should
exhaust into hot air side of the carburetor air intake or at cooling air exit
of cowling."
Reading over the document quickly, no further details are given.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
Follow this guide: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm#crankcase_sealing_and_breather
Regards
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
It's possible that configuration is given for installations that will be
operating in more extreme cold weather environments. Venting into the hot
air side of the carb heat box would avoid having the outlet of the
overboard vent tube freeze up in very cold temps.
Ryan
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I ask because I came across this (below) and have never heard of, or
> seen such a setup.
>
> "DETAIL SPECIFICATION
> For
> ENGINE, AIRCRAFT CONTINENTAL
> (Mfrs. Model A65 Series 8, 8J, 8F, 8FJ
>
> CONTINENTAL MOTORS CORPORATION
> MUSKEGON, MICHIGAN"
>
> "(d) The breather connection is located at the front right hand side of
> the crankcase and a 5/8 in. standard ell hose fitting is provided. Breather
> pipe should exhaust into hot air side of the carburetor air intake or at
> cooling air exit of cowling."
>
> Reading over the document quickly, no further details are given.
>
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
Michael,
The attached doc is from Neal Wright, who has dozens of great articles on small
continentals; this one addresses some portion of your topic, and may prove to
be helpful.
On the C-90 I'm building, I've already made the fitting, and plan to route th breather
tube per the article.
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
Let's go then.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:56 PM, "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Michael,
>
> The attached doc is from Neal Wright, who has dozens of great articles on small
continentals; this one addresses some portion of your topic, and may prove
to be helpful.
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> On the C-90 I'm building, I've already made the fitting, and plan to route th
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust |
My apologies.... Sent in error
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continentals; this one addresses some portion of your topic, and may prove
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about selling... |
You're a good man Dan Yocum! You speak lots of truth in those lines above. That
being said, I can hardly imagine my kids growing up without the Piet. They
helped with the build, at least the ones I had at the time, and they've been
involved all along. Many of my and I'm sure many of their best memories have
been in some way tied to the Piet. Some very important discussions about possible
boyfriends and other important daughter matters have taken place on late
night washing and waxing visits to the hangar. The amazing one on one experiences
I've had with each of my four kids could fill a book. After our weeklong
Barnstorming 2012 trip that my then 8 year old son and I went on, I made a picture
book of the trip and gave it to him for Christmas. He regularly reads himself
to sleep at night with it. (Maybe its not that exciting! Ha!). And there's
nothing like camping with one of the kids beside the Piet. Anyway.... It's
different for everyone. I'm blessed with a fantastic and supportive wife and
family. Therefore it's worked. If for some reason it looked like it wasn't going
to work and was causing stress in the family, the Piet would need to go.
Don Emch
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| Subject: | Jeep motor thoughts |
I've done a lot of research about using auto engines to reproduce the older,
slow turning, high-capacity WWI aero engines. Here are some things to
consider when thinking about using the Jeep or any other motor in a Piet.
Firstly, you need to know the weight. Keeping it around or lighter than the
weight of a Ford is probably wise. Heavier engines have been used, but it
becomes a cycle of diminishing returns.
Don't get too caught up in HP. Torque is what spins a prop, HP keeps a car
rolling down the highway. You want an engine that develops it's torque at a
lower rpm, the same speeds the prop needs to spin. If you have an engine
developing peak torque at 4,000, what will it develop at 2,000?. You can't
spin most props at 4,000.
Using the formula to find torque of HP time 5252 divided by rpm, I'd
estimate that a very strong Ford (or Chris's Mitsubishi), turning at 2,200
is developing about 170 ft lbs of torque to spin it's prop. This would
probably be a good starting point when choosing a motor.
The faster the engine needs to turn up to develop it's power, the smaller
the prop becomes (corvair, 0200, etc) Two different breeds of cat; slow
turning, torquey tractor type motors turning very large diameter props
verses higher revving engines turning smaller props much faster.
One could always put a reduction drive to slow down the prop. This adds
complication, weight, length and another failure area, but there are some
good ones out there now. I really like the planetary one made by Tracy
Crook.
FYI, the Ford is about 200 cubic inches in capacity. More than most people
think. It spins a 76X42 or 44 prop and a strong one can come close to 2,000
static.
This all needs to be coupled with a light airframe and it'll perform nicely.
My guess, if Oscar's research on the Jeep motor is correct is that it would
be a bit weak, unless you were able to turn it up faster using a smaller
prop.
Like everyone says, build one up and see what it'll spin!
Good luck!
Douwe
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