---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/22/13: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:28 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Michael Perez) 2. 03:48 AM - Re: Fabric finale (Mark Stanley) 3. 05:18 AM - Re: Thinking about selling... (AircamperN11MS) 4. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Thinking about selling... (Ryan Mueller) 5. 07:28 AM - A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Michael Perez) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Gary Boothe) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: Thinking about selling... (Marcus Zechini) 8. 08:29 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Don Emch) 9. 08:31 AM - Re: Fabric finale (Ken Bickers) 10. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Chuck Campbell) 11. 08:46 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Ken Bickers) 12. 08:51 AM - Re: Thinking about selling... (AircamperN11MS) 13. 08:54 AM - Re: Fabric finale (Rick Holland) 14. 09:29 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (John Fastnaught) 15. 10:06 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Steven Dortch) 16. 11:02 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Michael Perez) 17. 11:10 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (giacummo) 18. 11:40 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Ryan Mueller) 19. 11:54 AM - Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (tkreiner) 20. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Scott Knowlton) 21. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust (Scott Knowlton) 22. 03:24 PM - Re: Thinking about selling... (Don Emch) 23. 05:38 PM - Jeep motor thoughts (Douwe Blumberg) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:12 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help Ooops. Sorry Cliff,- my post was to Terry. =0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pil ot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:45 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric finale Looking good Ken! I like the slightly see through fuz in the first shot. Have you picked a colour scheme out yet? Cheers Mark S Japan Do not archive From: Ken Bickers Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fabric finale Tonight I finished all the fabric work on my project. Tomorrow I have an hour or two of ironing down pinked edges, then prep work for painting. Life is good. Cheers, Ken ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling... From: "AircamperN11MS" Dan, Steve, I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his post that he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certified one at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial. My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memories and his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve's post he asked to be talked out of it. I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad if he did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this list fall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when the poster ask for comments like Steve did. Very respectfully to all, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411065#411065 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling... From: Ryan Mueller I can appreciate where Dan is coming from, considering he had to make a similar decision not long ago, and having been on the receiving end of a bit of a guilt trip (well-intentioned as it may have been) about selling his Piet as well. The ownership cost of a certified aircraft could be allayed if Steve is able to share it with other partners. In regard to making family memories, if Steve follows through with his plan of acquiring a "fun taildragger" that both the kids could fly in (a short-wing Piper for example, as shown in one of his pics), then he has the opportunity to involve them equally in making new family flying memories, instead of just one at a time. While it would be unfortunate for Steve to sell the Piet, if it allows him to create a situation where he can more fully involve his girls in aviation and share those experiences with them both, then it sounds like the way to go. Ryan On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:18 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > Dan, Steve, > > I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his post that he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certified one at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial. My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memories and his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve's post he asked to be talked out of it. > > I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad if he did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this list fall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when the poster ask for comments like Steve did. > > Very respectfully to all, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411065#411065 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine connec ted to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65, but ma ybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection made. (D irectly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...)=0A=0AThe ones I have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust out the botto m of the engine cowl.=0A=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats. =0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakerae ro.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:19 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust You want to introduce motor oil to your carb? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine connected to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65, but maybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection made. (Directly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...) The ones I have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust out the bottom of the engine cowl. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling... From: Marcus Zechini I know how conflicted Dan was....sorry, Dan! My kids are grown, but love visiting to ride in the Piet. I could not have owned, for various reasons, when they were young. On Oct 22, 2013 9:29 AM, "Ryan Mueller" wrote: > > I can appreciate where Dan is coming from, considering he had to make a > similar decision not long ago, and having been on the receiving end of a > bit of a guilt trip (well-intentioned as it may have been) about selling > his Piet as well. > > The ownership cost of a certified aircraft could be allayed if Steve is > able to share it with other partners. In regard to making family memories, > if Steve follows through with his plan of acquiring a "fun taildragger" > that both the kids could fly in (a short-wing Piper for example, as shown > in one of his pics), then he has the opportunity to involve them equally in > making new family flying memories, instead of just one at a time. > > While it would be unfortunate for Steve to sell the Piet, if it allows him > to create a situation where he can more fully involve his girls in aviation > and share those experiences with them both, then it sounds like the way to > go. > > Ryan > > > On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:18 AM, AircamperN11MS > wrote: > > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > > > Dan, Steve, > > > > I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his > post that he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, > a certified one at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a > Piet is substantial. My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed > to many family memories and his plane could do the same for him. And then > at the end of Steve's post he asked to be talked out of it. > > > > I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel > bad if he did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on > this list fall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people > out when the poster ask for comments like Steve did. > > > > Very respectfully to all, > > > > -------- > > Scott Liefeld > > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > > Steel Tube > > C-85-12 > > Wire Wheels > > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411065#411065 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: "Don Emch" Engine oil mixed with watery condensation being ducted to the carburetor would be a bad idea. Much better to let that stuff spatter itself on the belly. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411096#411096 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric finale From: Ken Bickers Mark, thanks. I'm going with a crimson and cream look. Actually Tennessee red and Juneau white. Best, Ken On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mark Stanley wrote: > Looking good Ken! I like the slightly see through fuz in the first shot. > Have you picked a colour scheme out yet? > > Cheers > Mark S > Japan > > Do not archive > > *From:* Ken Bickers > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:24 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Fabric finale > > Tonight I finished all the fabric work on my project. Tomorrow I have > an hour or two of ironing down pinked edges, then prep work for painting. > Life is good. > > Cheers, Ken > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:43 AM PST US From: Chuck Campbell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help Joe=2C I made all my control horns from 3/32-inch thick 4130 steel rather t han the hollow ones. They might be a bit heavier than the others but very much easier to build. Chuck > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help > From: joseph.pringle@gmail.com > Date: Mon=2C 21 Oct 2013 06:33:23 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > m> > > Are you making your control horns from solid=2C one piece sheet metal? I think that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set u p this way=2C and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones. > > BTW=2C I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell. > > -------- > Joe Pringle > Atlanta=2C GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410993#410993 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: Ken Bickers Michael, you might consider installing an oil-air separator. Aircraft Spruce sells one that is pretty cheap (though a bit on the big size). Most of the corvair guys install separators. I'd love to have one on my Pacer. Oil on the belly of an airplane is no fun to clean. Ken On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > You want to introduce motor oil to your carb?**** > > ** ** > > Gary Boothe**** > > NX308MB**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Perez > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:28 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust**** > > ** ** > > I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine > connected to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65, > but maybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection > made. (Directly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...)**** > > ** ** > > The ones I have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust > out the bottom of the engine cowl.**** > > **** > > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com**** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling... From: "AircamperN11MS" Dan and others, Sorry if I offended you with my thoughts. I didn't know your back story. Regards, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411101#411101 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric finale From: Rick Holland Good work Ken, isn't that ironing part fun? rick h On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Tonight I finished all the fabric work on my project. Tomorrow I have an > hour or two of ironing down pinked edges, then prep work for painting. > Life is good. > > Cheers, Ken > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: John Fastnaught Mike, I have a Ford model A and have a copper tube from the old distributor port t o the intake tube to the carburetor. The previous owner made the set up and s ince I am using different manifolds I had to modify it a little. I haven't r un the engine since overhaul but I have great confidence in the system. Jack Sent from my iPad > On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Michael Perez wro te: > > I am curious if anyone has the breather tube coming off their engine conne cted to the hot air side of the carburetor heat box? (I have an A-65, but ma ybe other engine could do the same.) If so, how is that connection made. (Di rectly into heat box, spliced into hose from heat muff...) > > The ones I have seen and I've only seen a few, have been run to exhaust ou t the bottom of the engine cowl. > > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: Steven Dortch In theory it would work quite well. The only problem is if the air/oil separator gets overwhelmed (it can and does happen). Then it will be pumping oil into your carb heat section. When you open it you will now be pushing oily air into your carb and potentially vaporized oil. The one on my Vtail dumps it out the bottom of the plane. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:51 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust I ask because I came across this (below) and have never heard of, or seen such a setup. "DETAIL SPECIFICATION For ENGINE, AIRCRAFT CONTINENTAL (Mfrs. Model A65 Series 8, 8J, 8F, 8FJ CONTINENTAL MOTORS CORPORATION MUSKEGON, MICHIGAN" "(d) The breather connection is located at the front right hand side of the crankcase and a 5/8 in. standard ell hose fitting is provided. Breather pipe should exhaust into hot air side of the carburetor air intake or at cooling air exit of cowling." Reading over the document quickly, no further details are given. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: "giacummo" Follow this guide: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm#crankcase_sealing_and_breather Regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411118#411118 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: Ryan Mueller It's possible that configuration is given for installations that will be operating in more extreme cold weather environments. Venting into the hot air side of the carb heat box would avoid having the outlet of the overboard vent tube freeze up in very cold temps. Ryan On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > I ask because I came across this (below) and have never heard of, or > seen such a setup. > > "DETAIL SPECIFICATION > For > ENGINE, AIRCRAFT CONTINENTAL > (Mfrs. Model A65 Series 8, 8J, 8F, 8FJ > > CONTINENTAL MOTORS CORPORATION > MUSKEGON, MICHIGAN" > > "(d) The breather connection is located at the front right hand side of > the crankcase and a 5/8 in. standard ell hose fitting is provided. Breather > pipe should exhaust into hot air side of the carburetor air intake or at > cooling air exit of cowling." > > Reading over the document quickly, no further details are given. > > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: "tkreiner" Michael, The attached doc is from Neal Wright, who has dozens of great articles on small continentals; this one addresses some portion of your topic, and may prove to be helpful. On the C-90 I'm building, I've already made the fitting, and plan to route th breather tube per the article. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411124#411124 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: Scott Knowlton Let's go then. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:56 PM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > > Michael, > > The attached doc is from Neal Wright, who has dozens of great articles on small continentals; this one addresses some portion of your topic, and may prove to be helpful. > > On the C-90 I'm building, I've already made the fitting, and plan to route th breather tube per the article. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411124#411124 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust From: Scott Knowlton My apologies.... Sent in error Scott K Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:02 PM, "Scott Knowlton" wrote: > > > Let's go then. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:56 PM, "tkreiner" wrote: >> >> >> Michael, >> >> The attached doc is from Neal Wright, who has dozens of great articles on small continentals; this one addresses some portion of your topic, and may prove to be helpful. >> >> On the C-90 I'm building, I've already made the fitting, and plan to route th breather tube per the article. >> >> -------- >> Tom Kreiner >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411124#411124 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling... From: "Don Emch" You're a good man Dan Yocum! You speak lots of truth in those lines above. That being said, I can hardly imagine my kids growing up without the Piet. They helped with the build, at least the ones I had at the time, and they've been involved all along. Many of my and I'm sure many of their best memories have been in some way tied to the Piet. Some very important discussions about possible boyfriends and other important daughter matters have taken place on late night washing and waxing visits to the hangar. The amazing one on one experiences I've had with each of my four kids could fill a book. After our weeklong Barnstorming 2012 trip that my then 8 year old son and I went on, I made a picture book of the trip and gave it to him for Christmas. He regularly reads himself to sleep at night with it. (Maybe its not that exciting! Ha!). And there's nothing like camping with one of the kids beside the Piet. Anyway.... It's different for everyone. I'm blessed with a fantastic and supportive wife and family. Therefore it's worked. If for some reason it looked like it wasn't going to work and was causing stress in the family, the Piet would need to go. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411148#411148 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:23 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jeep motor thoughts I've done a lot of research about using auto engines to reproduce the older, slow turning, high-capacity WWI aero engines. Here are some things to consider when thinking about using the Jeep or any other motor in a Piet. Firstly, you need to know the weight. Keeping it around or lighter than the weight of a Ford is probably wise. Heavier engines have been used, but it becomes a cycle of diminishing returns. Don't get too caught up in HP. Torque is what spins a prop, HP keeps a car rolling down the highway. You want an engine that develops it's torque at a lower rpm, the same speeds the prop needs to spin. If you have an engine developing peak torque at 4,000, what will it develop at 2,000?. You can't spin most props at 4,000. Using the formula to find torque of HP time 5252 divided by rpm, I'd estimate that a very strong Ford (or Chris's Mitsubishi), turning at 2,200 is developing about 170 ft lbs of torque to spin it's prop. This would probably be a good starting point when choosing a motor. The faster the engine needs to turn up to develop it's power, the smaller the prop becomes (corvair, 0200, etc) Two different breeds of cat; slow turning, torquey tractor type motors turning very large diameter props verses higher revving engines turning smaller props much faster. One could always put a reduction drive to slow down the prop. This adds complication, weight, length and another failure area, but there are some good ones out there now. I really like the planetary one made by Tracy Crook. FYI, the Ford is about 200 cubic inches in capacity. More than most people think. It spins a 76X42 or 44 prop and a strong one can come close to 2,000 static. This all needs to be coupled with a light airframe and it'll perform nicely. My guess, if Oscar's research on the Jeep motor is correct is that it would be a bit weak, unless you were able to turn it up faster using a smaller prop. Like everyone says, build one up and see what it'll spin! Good luck! 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