---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/24/13: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:41 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (Clif Dawson) 2. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: Perseverance... (Michael Perez) 3. 03:53 AM - Re: Perseverance... (Steven Dortch) 4. 04:19 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (womenfly2) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Perseverance... (caldwrl) 6. 06:19 AM - Re: Perseverance... (bdewenter) 7. 06:36 AM - build time (Douwe Blumberg) 8. 06:47 AM - Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help (nightmare) 9. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Perseverance... (Dan Yocum) 10. 08:30 AM - Re: Perseverance... (Jim Boyer) 11. 09:49 AM - building in the house (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 12. 10:46 AM - shipping spruce (aviken) 13. 11:42 AM - Re: shipping spruce (nightmare) 14. 11:42 AM - Re: shipping spruce (nightmare) 15. 11:47 AM - Re: shipping spruce (Marcus Zechini) 16. 12:51 PM - Re: shipping spruce (Ken Bickers) 17. 02:50 PM - Re: shipping spruce (tools) 18. 03:03 PM - Solo X-Country (John Francis) 19. 03:30 PM - Re: Solo X-Country (Gary Boothe) 20. 03:56 PM - Re: Solo X-Country (bdewenter) 21. 06:41 PM - Re: Solo X-Country (John Francis) 22. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: Solo X-Country (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:04 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help That's alright Mikeal. Just checking. :-) By the way, all you black and yellows,is your squadron planing on mounting Spandau's? Oh, and who gets to wear the scarf on his helmet? Clif "Happiness is a DRY fart and a WET dream." Someone Ooops. Sorry Cliff, my post was to Terry. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:11 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance... Thanks Don. I like to keep tabs on it just in case it ever comes up for sal e...you never know...=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0A Michael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero. com=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Don Emch =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, October 23, 20 13 2:26 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...=0A =0A=0A--> Piet enpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" =0A=0AMichael,=0A =0AThe Lambert that was on Lowell's airplane is now on Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy.- Actually, right now it's in his garage for an overhaul.- Frank turned it over to me one day and I went out and played with it for a while. - What a super engine/airframe combination.- Very well balanced and a h uge amount of thrust!=0A=0AI spent 12 years building mine. However, that in cluded finishing college, getting married, having 4 kids, moving 6 times, b uilding a house, building a couple of shops, and one big hangar collapse af ter it was finished the first time but before it first flew.- I think I c ould write a book just on the building experiences!=0A=0ADon Emch =0ANX899D E=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.c =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance... From: Steven Dortch Enough already, I get the message and will go spend an hour in the aircraft factory tonight. I was getting a little bad about putting off production. First, family visited for the weekend. Then my wife and granddaughter had to sell things at the school sporting events, then I had to go get the car's tags reregistered, then, then I had several long days at work, then.. then ... then..... It has been a week since I touched the Piet. Last night I read more "perserverance" emails and then watched some first flight videos. Now I am fired up again. Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > 13 and counting. One more wing to go. > Plus a slew of little stuff that always > turnsup when least expected. > > Clif > An optimist, after all, is often as wrong as a pessimist. > But he has a lot more fun. > > 8-1/2 years >> Jack Phillips >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help From: "womenfly2" Use a Jewelers saw or a Scroll saw with a metal cutting blade. Works great. Its simple ~ WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411299#411299 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance... From: "caldwrl" 4-1/2 years so far, after purchasing wings from a Scout project. I hope to be flying in 2014... currently covering tail feathers while wrapping up a few details of the build. -------- Robert Caldwell Holly Lake Ranch, TX Hanger at Mineola-Wisener (3F9) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411302#411302 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance... From: "bdewenter" 1999 - I was hopping TV channels and I happened upon a recap of EAA airventure and a segment on Mike Cuys' award winning airplane. "I gotta get one of those" I said. Ordered plans immediately. In 2005 or so, I built some tail feathers. Life altering event in 2010 convinced me it was time to commit to the project, and I did. Started in earnest Oct 16 2010 with the Corvair engine which ran 368 days after my first Corvair College. Started building the Piet August 2011. I do a little every day or say when Im home. I'm having a blast! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411304#411304 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:47 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: build time RE-PIET was started by an older gent in the late eighties I think. He puttered on it in Florida during the winters up until 2000 when he got sick. I bought it in 2002 with much of the basic woodwork done (or so I believed.). I finished it in 2009 when it had it's "incident" and the spent the next 2.5 years rebuilding it. First flew again August of 12. Douwe ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help From: "nightmare" Love it Bill! Im sold. Thanks for sharing. Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411307#411307 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:12 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance... Y'all are an inspiration. Thanks for sharing. My hat's off to all of you that have finished building, or are close to finishing, their own Air Campers. If you missed it, the latest issue of the Experimenter has a 2 page spread on the 2013 EAA Airventure Perseverance Awards: 9 planes, 8 are RVs, 4 were built in under 2 years. That's not exactly a display of "perseverance" in my opinion. I'm not belittling those builder's efforts and accomplishments - building and flying *any* airplane is a monumental achievement - I'm just saying that the builders in this group show more perseverance than those insert-tab-A-into-slot-B builders and are far more deserving of a Perseverance Award. Cheers! Dan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:16 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance... Hi MIke, I always liked seeing the pictures of your building your Piet in the house. We have a dining room I keep teasing my wife that would make a perfect mac hine shop area so I wouldn't have to work in my cold garage in the winter. So far though I'm still working in the garage! Popcorn is good to eat while building; any spillage is just additional bouy ancy for those over water flights. cheers, Jim B. =C2- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:49 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. 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I purchased this from an individual who had chosen not to build . The wood is In Rockingham North Carolina, and I need to get to Arkansas. Since it is 15 feet long shipping is expensive as you all know... So far the cheapest Quote I have is just under 300 dollars from FedEx but the owner will have to take it to a business location for pick up. Does anyone have any cheaper suggestions? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411337#411337 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: shipping spruce From: "nightmare" I would look in your yellow pages for a freight forwarder and make a bunch of calls. I've shopped around in the past when shipping gliders around country (20 ft x 12 inch diameter at 90 lbs). Ended up paying 200.00 a few years ago from SLC to MIA. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411342#411342 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: shipping spruce From: "nightmare" Hang gliders -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411343#411343 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping spruce From: Marcus Zechini My wife had an expensive and large painting shipped from west coast to VA. cheap. There are individuals who make a living driving around this way. forgot how (on the internet) she found this person.. will investigate On Oct 24, 2013 1:47 PM, "aviken" wrote: > > I just purchased some spruce spar boards for two sets of wings and also > the wood for the the tail surfaces. I purchased this from an individual > who had chosen not to build . The wood is In Rockingham North Carolina, > and I need to get to Arkansas. Since it is 15 feet long shipping is > expensive as you all know... So far the cheapest Quote I have is just > under 300 dollars from FedEx but the owner will have to take it to a > business location for pick up. Does anyone have any cheaper suggestions? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411337#411337 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping spruce From: Ken Bickers Aviken, This may not be what you want to hear but I'd be inclined to drive from Arkansas to North Carolina to pickup the wood myself. Since you are buying it from a private individual where returns might be impossible, this would give you a chance to look each piece over carefully before handing over the money. You might even want to download from Chris Tracey's westcoastpiet website, the information for grading spar material. That way, you can reassure yourself that it really is appropriate for airplane use. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Zechini wrote: > My wife had an expensive and large painting shipped from west coast to VA. > cheap. There are individuals who make a living driving around this way. > forgot how (on the internet) she found this person.. will investigate > On Oct 24, 2013 1:47 PM, "aviken" wrote: > >> >> I just purchased some spruce spar boards for two sets of wings and also >> the wood for the the tail surfaces. I purchased this from an individual >> who had chosen not to build . The wood is In Rockingham North Carolina, >> and I need to get to Arkansas. Since it is 15 feet long shipping is >> expensive as you all know... So far the cheapest Quote I have is just >> under 300 dollars from FedEx but the owner will have to take it to a >> business location for pick up. Does anyone have any cheaper suggestions? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411337#411337 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: shipping spruce From: "tools" youship.com or something... Google "ltl" which means "less than load" for places that'll quote you something cheaper than that likely. A buddy of mine was quoted $1500 to ship some 4x8 sheets of honeycomb, but got them shipped for a couple hunnert using youship (or who ever they were, should be evident). And that was from CA to GA. Antique tractor website forums usually have opportunity haul discussion areas that can be helpful. Probably the BEST underground railroad is the old woodworking machine group (owwm.org). You'll have to join (no spam, it's safe) to get access to the opportunity haul forum called "rucker's rodeo". It's a VERY TIGHTLY run bulletin board, pretend it's some woodworking machine part... like rip fence rails or something similarly sized or you'll get bounced off. Once you make contact with someone directly, it won't be a big deal. For example, I'll be running from Chatt to Oshkosh round trip in the next couple weeks and will make a post there that I'll have room available if someone needs a machine moved... Or a wing, or motor, whatever. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411358#411358 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Solo X-Country From: "John Francis" Completed my solo cross country Tuesday and am getting close to completing my flight instruction for a Sport License. Attached is a video I took with a GoPro camera. Can anyone tell me why the ground is wavy? I hope to get this all figured out before I complete my Pietenpol! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4adoSbda8ns -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411360#411360 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:38 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Solo X-Country Way to go, John! I wonder if your camera is mounted on something that's vibrating? Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Solo X-Country --> Completed my solo cross country Tuesday and am getting close to completing my flight instruction for a Sport License. Attached is a video I took with a GoPro camera. Can anyone tell me why the ground is wavy? I hope to get this all figured out before I complete my Pietenpol! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4adoSbda8ns -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411360#411360 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Solo X-Country From: "bdewenter" John, Way to go! You and I are that much closer to getting to Broadhead in the next few years. I have not had this experience in a Cub, only a 172, and other "enclosed" cockpits. You have added motivation to my build. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411364#411364 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Solo X-Country From: "John Francis" gboothe wrote: > Way to go, John! I wonder if your camera is mounted on something that's > vibrating? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -- Gary, Im not sure there is anything in this 1946 Cub that isnt vibrating! The camera is mounted on the window with a suction cup. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411370#411370 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:54 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Solo X-Country My guess, not claiming any knowledge of audio-visual, is that it's vibrating with the glass. You might do better on some frame work....or fastened to your head! I'm sure you are steady as a rock.... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Solo X-Country --> gboothe wrote: > Way to go, John! I wonder if your camera is mounted on something > that's vibrating? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -- Gary, Im not sure there is anything in this 1946 Cub that isnt vibrating! 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