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     1. 09:18 PM - incidents and accidents (long) (Oscar Zuniga)
 
 
 
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Time:  09:18:05 PM PST US 
From:  Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> 
Subject:  incidents and accidents (long) 
      
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      Douwe wrote- >RE-PIET was started by an older gent in the late eighties>I f
      inished it in 2009 when it had its "incident" and then>spent the next 2.5 y
      ears rebuilding it. A tune whose lyrics I know all too well =3Bo)  But to g
      et to the subject=2C there are "incidents" and there are "accidents"=2C and
       the difference can be very important when it comes to deciding whether you
       need to report "it" to anybody.  Here's what 830.5 of Title 49 of the Code
       of Federal Regulations (the FARs) says=2C although I have snipped irreleva
      nt sections out of it: The operator of any civil aircraft... shall immediat
      ely=2C and by the most expeditious means available=2C notify the nearest Na
      tional Transportation Safety Board (Board) field office when:(a) An aircraf
      t accident or any of the following listed incidents occur:(1) Flight contro
      l system malfunction or failure=3B(2) Inability of any required flight crew
      member to perform normal flight duties as a result of injury or illness=3B(
      3) [turbine engine failure]=3B(4) In-flight fire=3B or(5) Aircraft collide 
      in flight.(6) Damage to property=2C other than the aircraft=2C estimated to
       exceed $25=2C000 for repair (including materials and labor) or fair market
       value in the event of total loss=2C whichever is less.(7) [large multiengi
      ne aircraft].
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      An "accident"=2C as defined in the regulations=2C is an aircraft operation 
      in which any person suffers death or serious injury=2C or in which the airc
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      receives substantial damage. An "incident" is an occurrence other than an a
      ccident =0A
      that affects or could affect the safety of operations.  Neither term is rea
      lly clear when it comes to the aircraft.  What is "substantial" damage?  Wh
      at types of things can affect the safety of operations?
      
      When Scout went over on its back=2C the authorities were notified but a fie
      ld investigator came out=2C looked it over in the hangar=2C and said it was
      n't worth the trouble to report it and he left.  I had no desire to stretch
       my interpretation of the definitions in the regulations=2C but I'm glad we
       could move on.  I will leave it to others to decide whether the damage to 
      Scout was "substantial" (and=2C thus=2C the event was an "accident")=2C or 
      whether it affected the safety of operations and was merely an "incident"..
      . which the NTSB -by inference- called it.  Photos here:
      
       http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
      
      Oscar Zuniga
      Medford=2C OR
      Air Camper NX41CC=2C "Scout"
      A75 power
      
       		 	   		  
      
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