---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/27/13: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:18 PM - incidents and accidents (long) (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:05 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: incidents and accidents (long) =0A =0A =0A Douwe wrote- >RE-PIET was started by an older gent in the late eighties>I f inished it in 2009 when it had its "incident" and then>spent the next 2.5 y ears rebuilding it. A tune whose lyrics I know all too well =3Bo) But to g et to the subject=2C there are "incidents" and there are "accidents"=2C and the difference can be very important when it comes to deciding whether you need to report "it" to anybody. Here's what 830.5 of Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations (the FARs) says=2C although I have snipped irreleva nt sections out of it: The operator of any civil aircraft... shall immediat ely=2C and by the most expeditious means available=2C notify the nearest Na tional Transportation Safety Board (Board) field office when:(a) An aircraf t accident or any of the following listed incidents occur:(1) Flight contro l system malfunction or failure=3B(2) Inability of any required flight crew member to perform normal flight duties as a result of injury or illness=3B( 3) [turbine engine failure]=3B(4) In-flight fire=3B or(5) Aircraft collide in flight.(6) Damage to property=2C other than the aircraft=2C estimated to exceed $25=2C000 for repair (including materials and labor) or fair market value in the event of total loss=2C whichever is less.(7) [large multiengi ne aircraft]. ============= An "accident"=2C as defined in the regulations=2C is an aircraft operation in which any person suffers death or serious injury=2C or in which the airc raft =0A receives substantial damage. An "incident" is an occurrence other than an a ccident =0A that affects or could affect the safety of operations. Neither term is rea lly clear when it comes to the aircraft. What is "substantial" damage? Wh at types of things can affect the safety of operations? When Scout went over on its back=2C the authorities were notified but a fie ld investigator came out=2C looked it over in the hangar=2C and said it was n't worth the trouble to report it and he left. I had no desire to stretch my interpretation of the definitions in the regulations=2C but I'm glad we could move on. I will leave it to others to decide whether the damage to Scout was "substantial" (and=2C thus=2C the event was an "accident")=2C or whether it affected the safety of operations and was merely an "incident".. . which the NTSB -by inference- called it. Photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC=2C "Scout" A75 power ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.