---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/04/13: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:55 AM - Re: epoxy (Steven Dortch) 2. 04:17 AM - Re: Post Construction Rear Cockpit Step (Michael Perez) 3. 04:18 AM - Re: epoxy (Chuck Campbell) 4. 08:26 AM - Re: NX308MB Finally Up Again!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 5. 08:43 AM - Re: NX308MB Finally Up Again!! (Gary Boothe) 6. 02:34 PM - Re: round tube wing struts (braywood) 7. 05:18 PM - Welding control horns... (aerocarjake) 8. 05:38 PM - Re: Welding control horns... (Rick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: epoxy From: Steven Dortch Jack, I have been losing weight and am now only 196lbs. Light as a feather! You make a good point. It will be structural but if It were to break it would not make the plane unuseable or dangerous. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > Why would you think that a little piece of material that will have to > withstand upwards of 200 lbs is not structural? > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Dortch > *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2013 3:04 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: epoxy > > > I am about to do some nonstructural work on this plane. I am going to put > in a step that will involve my gluing in some wood pieces. > > T-88 is the preferred glue for structural items. is there any other glue > that would be preferred for nonstructural work? > > Where I am going to have to put these wood blocks is somewhat complex.How > perfect does the piece of wood have to be. It is going to be where I > stepdown on the step. The block will push down on the frame in a couple of > areas. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > > *www.buildersbooks.com * > > *www.mypilotstore.com * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List * > > *http://forums.matronics.com * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:12 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Post Construction Rear Cockpit Step Steve, going from memory as I am not at home to look at the setup, the outs ide, fixed sleeve is 3/4"- and the step itself is 5/8".- Both are .035" SS tube. (316L)- The tubes were scrap pieces I had on hand. I am not cle ar on what you mean by: "Yours appears to go all the way across...". The en tire setup is only about 10" long and stops under the pilot seat. As noted below, the outside end rests on the longeron and the inside end rests under the seat, as weight is applied to the step, it can't move in a see-saw fas hion. I have "load tested" the step by slightly bouncing on it with full bo dy weight on one foot...it held just fine. =0A=0AI kept the fully extended length of the step to a measurement that I felt was long enough to get a go od foot hold on, but short enough that it would not bend under normal use. Of course, you could use a heavier wall tube for strength and make it longe r, but that adds weight. While seated inside the plane, I can reach around and pull the step out easily.=0A=0AIf interested in sharing what you come u p with, I would be interested in seeing pictures.=0A=0AIf I may be of any f urther assistance, please let me know. =0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...s witch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww .karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:43 AM PST US From: Chuck Campbell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: epoxy If a piece broke off and went back into your elevator control system it cou ld be very dangewrous. C Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: epoxy From: steven.d.dortch@gmail.com Jack=2C I have been losing weight and am now only 196lbs. Light as a feathe r! You make a good point. It will be structural but if It were to break it wou ld not make the plane unuseable or dangerous. =0A Blue Skies=2C Steve D On Sun=2C Nov 3=2C 2013 at 5:24 PM=2C Jack Phillips wrote: =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Why would you think that a little piece of=0A material that will have to withstand upwards of 200 lbs is not structural? =0A =0A =0A =0A Jack Phillips=0A =0A NX899JP=0A =0A Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dort ch =0A Sent: Sunday=2C November 03=2C 2013=0A 3:04 PM =0A =0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: epoxy=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A I am about to do some=0A nonstructural work on this plane. I am going to put in a step that will inv olve=0A my gluing in some wood pieces. =0A =0A T-88 is the preferred glue for structural items. is there any other glue th at=0A would be preferred for nonstructural work?=0A =0A =0A =0A Where I am going to have=0A to put these wood blocks is somewhat complex.How perfect does the piece of wood=0A have to be. It is going to be where I stepdown on the step. The block will push=0A down on the frame in a couple of areas. =0A =0A =0A =0A Blue Skies=2C =0A Steve D=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A www.buildersbooks.com=0A www.mypilotstore.com=0A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A http://forums.matronics.com=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A _blank">www.aeroelectric.com=0A .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com=0A ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com=0A ank">www.mrrace.com=0A _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A tp://forums.matronics.com=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:26 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX308MB Finally Up Again!! UmVhbGx5IGdyZWF0IG5ld3MgR2FyeSBhbmQgIHlvdXIgdmlkZW8gd2FzIHNvIGVuam95YWJsZSB0 byB3YXRjaC4gIEkgbG92ZWQgdGhlIChCdXJsIEl2ZXM/KSBzZWdtZW50IHdoZXJlIHlvdSBmYWRl ZA0KaW4gdGhlIOKAmEJhY2sgaW4gdGhlIFNhZGRsZeKAmSBzb25nIHdpdGhvdXQgdG90YWxseSBz dXBwcmVzc2luZyB5b3VyIGNvb2wgZW5naW5lIHNvdW5kcy4gIE5pY2VseSBkb25lLg0KDQpHbGFk IHlvdXIgdGFpbHdoZWVsIHN0ZWVyaW5nIGlzIG11Y2ggbW9yZSBjb250cm9sbGFibGUgZm9yIHlv dSBub3cuICAgICBIYXZlIHlvdSBtYWRlIHlvdXIgZ2VhciB3aWRlciBvciBpcyB0aGF0IGEg4oCY d2ludGVy4oCZIHByb2plY3Q/DQoNClZlcnkgaGFwcHkgZm9yIHlvdSENCg0KTWlrZSBDLiBpbiBP aGlvDQo ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX308MB Finally Up Again!! 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I am one of the guys buying this fairly large run of strut material - we are about 10 people in total, and each of us are getting 8 lengths of 2.8 - 3.0 M (about 10 feet) - 2.69" x 1.44" x 0.049". There is even a guy in Australia who is getting a set. It may even be possible to add to the order, although they should be making the draw very soon. they will be about 100 for each length, so about $170 each for you + shipping and any import duty, taxes, etc...... I can enquire if you are interested, otherwise, some of us will have some to sell, if we decide NOT to build a Scout!! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412118#412118 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding control horns... From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple, Well I finished fabricating the rudder and elevator control horns just in time to have them welded by Mike (from "Ready Weld") on Friday. I schedule him to stop over "just a little before I am ready" to motivate me to make progress (ha!) A big nod goes to Bill Church (just in time - reading this forum last week) so I could include his "dang, that's a better way" idea. (His idea is a channel as a third part instead of bending over flanges.) Attached are some photos of Mike tack welding a horn along with a shot of a finished elevator horn in position. The 5/8 flat stock runs all the way to the channel - inside the horn - and was welded to the channel before the horn was welded around it. I am putting a bolt through the flange in a different orientation (hole through the wood elevator spar not yet drilled in this picture) so it does not interfere with the covering. I have also added pictures of the belcrank assembly horns that he also welded on Friday. My cables and the horns will be on the exterior of the plane such as several folks like Dick Navratil have done - for a more "olde fashioned" look..... Feels like real good progress whenever a whole day of welding takes place. Now I have to figure out the routing for the rudder cables themselves...(!) Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412120#412120 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_welding_rudder_horn_743.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_rudder_horn_welded_978.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_elevator_horn_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_belcrank_parts_703.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding control horns... From: Rick Very nice looking job Jake. I made my horns out of flat stock, now I kinda wish I would have followed the plans. Oh well maybe on the next one. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN Sent from my iPad On Nov 4, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > Hello good Piet-ple, > > Well I finished fabricating the rudder and elevator control horns just in time to have them welded by Mike (from "Ready Weld") on Friday. I schedule him to stop over "just a little before I am ready" to motivate me to make progress (ha!) > > A big nod goes to Bill Church (just in time - reading this forum last week) so I could include his "dang, that's a better way" idea. (His idea is a channel as a third part instead of bending over flanges.) > > Attached are some photos of Mike tack welding a horn along with a shot of a finished elevator horn in position. The 5/8 flat stock runs all the way to the channel - inside the horn - and was welded to the channel before the horn was welded around it. I am putting a bolt through the flange in a different orientation (hole through the wood elevator spar not yet drilled in this picture) so it does not interfere with the covering. I have also added pictures of the belcrank assembly horns that he also welded on Friday. My cables and the horns will be on the exterior of the plane such as several folks like Dick Navratil have done - for a more "olde fashioned" look..... > > Feels like real good progress whenever a whole day of welding takes place. Now I have to figure out the routing for the rudder cables themselves...(!) > > Jake > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412120#412120 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_welding_rudder_horn_743.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_rudder_horn_welded_978.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_elevator_horn_144.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_belcrank_parts_703.jpg > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.