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0. 12:15 AM - Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:26 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Michael Perez)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Steven Dortch)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Chuck Campbell)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Drilling troubles (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Bkemike)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Rick Schreiber)
7. 06:41 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Rick Schreiber)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Michael Perez)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Don Emch)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: Drilling troubles (tkreiner)
11. 12:49 PM - Re: Drilling troubles (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
12. 02:14 PM - Re: Drilling troubles (aerocarjake)
13. 02:42 PM - Taylorcraft struts ()
14. 04:58 PM - Re: Windshield thickness (GNflyer)
15. 05:43 PM - Re: Taylorcraft struts (Ben Charvet)
16. 08:18 PM - Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn (Matt Naiva)
17. 08:28 PM - What tools should I be buying? (BritishJim)
18. 08:32 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (Gary Boothe)
19. 09:00 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (BritishJim)
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Subject: | Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... |
Dear Listers,
Starting sometime on Friday November 1st, my Internet Service Provider (ISP) began "upgrading" their Domain Name Servers (DNS). DNS servers allow the resolution of computer names such as "www.matronics.com" to real addresses such as 64.81.74.3. This also impacts email delivery as well, since there is another layer of resolution that applies to email names.
Because of this upgrade on the part of my ISP, DNS service started getting unreliable
around Friday sometime, but I didn't notice it until sometime on Saturday.
When I used a tool called "nslookup" to test the resolution of name-to-address,
about 50-75% of the time my ISP's servers would response with an "SERVFAIL"
indicating that they didn't know the answer. I opened a ticket with the
ISP on Saturday, and by Sunday afternoon I had no feedback on the ticket so I
called in to support. "We upgrading the DNS servers, and it should back by Sunday
at 5pm." 5pm came and went with no resolution.
Well, long story short by Tuesday morning things were still not fixed and in fact
much worse. So, I opted to move all my DNS service to a different service
provider. I have a lot of DNS entries, so it took a while to get everything moved
over. It generally takes about 24 hours for a change like that to fully
propagate across the Internet which would be Wednesday morning sometime. I've
noticed that the Matronics web server traffic is picking up again, so many sites
have already propagated the new information.
I really should have just moved the DNS on Saturday when I first noticed the troubles,
but with stuff like this, you just keep believing that it gonna be fixed
any minute now.... And, in fact, that's what my ISP kept telling me...
Its always a giant bummer when stuff like this happens and particularly during
the Fund Raiser. I apologize to anyone that has tried to make a Contribution
in the last few days and had issues or was simply unable to connect. By the time
you read this email, the DNS should be fully propagated, and I ask that you
please try again.
The Contribution web site URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your kind consideration and patience,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
Rick, if you end up having to order your windscreen material, look at McMaster
Carr. They sell various plastics in various sizes. For example, "Impact-Resistant
Polycarbonate At only half the weight of glass, this material maintains excellent
clarity and impact strength over a wide temperature range. It's comparable
to Lexan, Hyzod, Tuffak, and Makrolon. Use it for windows, instrument gauge
covers, machine guards, and signs."
24" X 48" X 1/8" costs $41.42
36" X 36" X 1/8" costs $46.72
These are just examples to give you a basic idea.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
Rick, there should be a local plastic store that should be able to fill the
order you want.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Rick <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> I am building a 3 panel flybaby style windshield for my Piet. Pete Bowers
> originally designed the flat windshield for 1/8 inch plexiglas. I am going
> to go with Lexan, but I can only find 0.080" Lexan locally. If I have to
> order from ACSS I will need to order 8 sq feet instead of only a 28"x 30"
> panel from Lowes. What say ye? Will the .080" thick Lexan be a OK
> replacement strength wise for the 1/8" acrylic? The frame is .052" 5052
> aluminum. I do know that Don Emch and Hans Vandevoo both used .080 Lexan on
> formed windshields, but I was wondering about the flat style.
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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Subject: | Windshield thickness |
That's why they call these airplanes "EXPERIAMENTAL". Serriously=2C at 70
MPH I don't think .035 inch thickness will make much or a difference. C
> Date: Tue=2C 5 Nov 2013 22:16:48 -0600
> From: lmforge@earthlink.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness
>
et>
>
> On 11/5/2013 9:42 PM=2C Gary Boothe wrote:
> > Rick=2C
> >
> > I don't know what's OK=2C but mine are 1/8" Lexan from Lowe's Aircraft
> > Supply....haven't blown away yet...
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > NX308MB
> >
> Gary=2C
> I was going to use Lowe's 1/8 inch Lexan=2C but as I said both of the
> local Lowes only have it in 0.09". Looking at Lowes website=2C they say
> both stores have the 1/8 inch material=2C but that's not true. I also
> notice now that the website says the material is 1/8"=2C but when you
> click on the specs the thickness is listed as 0.093" thick=2C not 0.125".
> Gary=2C when you get a chance could you check the thickness of the Lowes
> Lexan that you used. I'm not trying to over-think this=2C but as difficul
t
> as these windows are to make=2C I sure don't want to make a mistake.
>
> The nice thing about the Lowes material is that the 28x30 sheet size is
> big enough to do both the front and rear windshields. If I order true
> 1/8" Lexan from ACSS the 2'x2' sheet is too small. In order to have
> enough material I would have to order a minimum of 8 square feet for
> twice as much money.
>
> Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: Drilling troubles |
Thank you everyone for the replies. Worst problem is I'm already using all of
the practices suggestedclamps, guides, pilot hole thru reamer. My drills just
suck and they are both fairly new.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
Lowe's Online charges about 50% more, per square foot, for "1/8" Lexan than Aircraft
Spuce.
For the 0.093" actual thickness of Lowe's nominal 1/8", Lowe's wants $33.48 for
28"x30", which is $5.73/sq ft. AS&S gets $29.50 for a 2' x 4' x 0.093" sheet,
or $3.69/sq ft.
Mike Hardaway
Politely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad.
> On Nov 5, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Rick <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I am building a 3 panel flybaby style windshield for my Piet. Pete Bowers originally
designed the flat windshield for 1/8 inch plexiglas. I am going to go
with Lexan, but I can only find 0.080" Lexan locally. If I have to order from
ACSS I will need to order 8 sq feet instead of only a 28"x 30" panel from Lowes.
What say ye? Will the .080" thick Lexan be a OK replacement strength wise
for the 1/8" acrylic? The frame is .052" 5052 aluminum. I do know that Don Emch
and Hans Vandevoo both used .080 Lexan on formed windshields, but I was wondering
about the flat style.
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
On 11/6/2013 5:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
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> Rick, if you end up having to order your windscreen material, look at McMaster
Carr...................
Michael,
I did look at Mcmaster Carr. Since I live just outside of Chicago I use
them all of the time. The issue was availability. In order to cut the 6
panels I need, I have to have a sheet a little bigger than 24"x24" or a
sheet 24x36. Lowes supposedly has sheets 1/8" x 28" x 30", which fit the
bill exactly. Unfortunately these sheets are only 3/32" thick. I can get
1/8" material from any number of places, but nothing locally (unless I
consider McMaster Carr local). So far the cheapest price including
shipping is 2pcs 24"x24" or 1pc 24"x48" sheet from Aircraft Spruce. I
think what I will do is go ahead and order from ACSS and just have
replacement material left over.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
On 11/6/2013 8:13 AM, Bkemike wrote:
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> Lowe's Online charges about 50% more, per square foot, for "1/8" Lexan than Aircraft
Spuce.
> For the 0.093" actual thickness of Lowe's nominal 1/8", Lowe's wants $33.48 for
28"x30", which is $5.73/sq ft. AS&S gets $29.50 for a 2' x 4' x 0.093" sheet,
or $3.69/sq ft.
>
> Mike Hardaway
>
Mike,
With shipping the ACSS material comes to $44. The issue is if Lowes had
what they advertise, I would have already cut and been installing the
windshield. Now I will have to order it and wait for it to come in.
Since I live in the North and winter is fast approaching (the plane is
in an unheated hangar) and this is my busy time of the year with my
business, I am running out of time.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
Always a good idea to shop around and do some homework Rick, sounds like you have
done so and have a good handle on it.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
Rick,
I would think with it being supported all the way around you should have no problem
at all with .080" thick. Mine is unsupported at that thickness and I don't
have any issues. I'd definitely use the .080" thick.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Drilling troubles |
Curt,
Try setting spindle speed using the formulas on the attached pdf.
When drilling 4130 with cobalt drills, try calculating about 100 SFPM to start,
and use a rather high infeed rate. Increase cutting pressure to do this. For
some reason, 4XXX series metals like a high feed rate, but a rather moderate
i.e., lower than 1018, sfpm.
Please post results...
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Tom Kreiner
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412271#412271
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/sfm_formulae_chart_163.pdf
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Subject: | Re: Drilling troubles |
I checked the speed of my press and it's set at 620 rpm. The slowest it'll go.
I also ran to Harbor Freight and bought a set of cobalt bits. When I got home,
I put a 1/4" reamer into the chuck and ran it. While running it, I slowly approached
the shaft with a marker to mark the side of the chuck that was going
to get whacked. After giving it a slight beating, I tried the new bits.
The combination of bits and beating helped. I started with a 3/32" pilot hole.
It cut through nicely. Then I followed it with a 3/16" bit. I was very impressed
with the finished hole. After a finishing it with a reamer, an AN-3 bolt
slid right in without any wobble.
Now I get to re-do some parts to Jake-like quality.
Thanks again everyone!
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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Subject: | Re: Drilling troubles |
Your Piet will be a "hole" lot better (ha!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Taylorcraft struts |
Group,
For those of you who have used Taylorcraft struts on your Piet did you
have to cut them down, if so what is the approximate length? I have a
set I can purchase for next to nothing from a 1978 F-19. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
those 3 piece windshields sure look good. I went with plexiglass since I was heat
bending it and that's what I decided to try but the local glass shop had lots
of scraps in both materials and sold me scrap pieces pretty cheap.
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Subject: | Re: Taylorcraft struts |
On 11/6/2013 5:41 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
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> Group,
>
> For those of you who have used Taylorcraft struts on your Piet did you
> have to cut them down, if so what is the approximate length? I have a
> set I can purchase for next to nothing from a 1978 F-19. Thanks.
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
I used short wing Piper struts on mine, and only had to cut the rear one
down. It was pretty easy to do, and the only exciting part was the oil
coating on the inside caught fire a few times. Recycling struts can
save you lots of money, provided they aren't rusty on the inside.
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn |
I was looking forward to see Jim's plane fly. I live only two block from
him.
My prayers go to both families.
http://fox6now.com/2013/11/06/two-dead-after-plane-crashes-in-kirksville-mo/
Matt
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Subject: | What tools should I be buying? |
Just had a Home Depot gift card land my way....
Hope to start the Piet some time within the next few months. What tools should
I be buying?
Just wondering if anyone has a list either on paper or in their head :p
Thanks!
British Jim.
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Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground....
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Subject: | What tools should I be buying? |
What do you have?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BritishJim
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What tools should I be buying?
--> <james@pieceofcakepr.com>
Just had a Home Depot gift card land my way....
Hope to start the Piet some time within the next few months. What tools
should I be buying?
Just wondering if anyone has a list either on paper or in their head :p
Thanks!
British Jim.
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Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
ground....
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412320#412320
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Subject: | Re: What tools should I be buying? |
Having emigrated from the UK to Canada fairly recently, my collection is limited
to the hammer, electric drill, screwdrivers, hand saw and the usual handyman's
things.
I am forced to start a fresh but figured this was a great opportunity to get the
workshop set up properly.
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Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground....
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