---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/06/13: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:15 AM - Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:26 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Michael Perez) 2. 03:36 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Steven Dortch) 3. 05:08 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Chuck Campbell) 4. 05:57 AM - Re: Drilling troubles (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Bkemike) 6. 06:22 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Rick Schreiber) 7. 06:41 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Rick Schreiber) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Michael Perez) 9. 07:35 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Don Emch) 10. 08:53 AM - Re: Drilling troubles (tkreiner) 11. 12:49 PM - Re: Drilling troubles (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 12. 02:14 PM - Re: Drilling troubles (aerocarjake) 13. 02:42 PM - Taylorcraft struts () 14. 04:58 PM - Re: Windshield thickness (GNflyer) 15. 05:43 PM - Re: Taylorcraft struts (Ben Charvet) 16. 08:18 PM - Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn (Matt Naiva) 17. 08:28 PM - What tools should I be buying? (BritishJim) 18. 08:32 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (Gary Boothe) 19. 09:00 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (BritishJim) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:06 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... Dear Listers, Starting sometime on Friday November 1st, my Internet Service Provider (ISP) began "upgrading" their Domain Name Servers (DNS). DNS servers allow the resolution of computer names such as "www.matronics.com" to real addresses such as 64.81.74.3. This also impacts email delivery as well, since there is another layer of resolution that applies to email names. Because of this upgrade on the part of my ISP, DNS service started getting unreliable around Friday sometime, but I didn't notice it until sometime on Saturday. When I used a tool called "nslookup" to test the resolution of name-to-address, about 50-75% of the time my ISP's servers would response with an "SERVFAIL" indicating that they didn't know the answer. I opened a ticket with the ISP on Saturday, and by Sunday afternoon I had no feedback on the ticket so I called in to support. "We upgrading the DNS servers, and it should back by Sunday at 5pm." 5pm came and went with no resolution. Well, long story short by Tuesday morning things were still not fixed and in fact much worse. So, I opted to move all my DNS service to a different service provider. I have a lot of DNS entries, so it took a while to get everything moved over. It generally takes about 24 hours for a change like that to fully propagate across the Internet which would be Wednesday morning sometime. I've noticed that the Matronics web server traffic is picking up again, so many sites have already propagated the new information. I really should have just moved the DNS on Saturday when I first noticed the troubles, but with stuff like this, you just keep believing that it gonna be fixed any minute now.... And, in fact, that's what my ISP kept telling me... Its always a giant bummer when stuff like this happens and particularly during the Fund Raiser. I apologize to anyone that has tried to make a Contribution in the last few days and had issues or was simply unable to connect. By the time you read this email, the DNS should be fully propagated, and I ask that you please try again. The Contribution web site URL is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your kind consideration and patience, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:32 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness Rick, if you end up having to order your windscreen material, look at McMaster Carr. They sell various plastics in various sizes. For example, "Impact-Resistant Polycarbonate At only half the weight of glass, this material maintains excellent clarity and impact strength over a wide temperature range. It's comparable to Lexan, Hyzod, Tuffak, and Makrolon. Use it for windows, instrument gauge covers, machine guards, and signs." 24" X 48" X 1/8" costs $41.42 36" X 36" X 1/8" costs $46.72 These are just examples to give you a basic idea. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness From: Steven Dortch Rick, there should be a local plastic store that should be able to fill the order you want. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Rick wrote: > > I am building a 3 panel flybaby style windshield for my Piet. Pete Bowers > originally designed the flat windshield for 1/8 inch plexiglas. I am going > to go with Lexan, but I can only find 0.080" Lexan locally. If I have to > order from ACSS I will need to order 8 sq feet instead of only a 28"x 30" > panel from Lowes. What say ye? Will the .080" thick Lexan be a OK > replacement strength wise for the 1/8" acrylic? The frame is .052" 5052 > aluminum. I do know that Don Emch and Hans Vandevoo both used .080 Lexan on > formed windshields, but I was wondering about the flat style. > > Rick Schreiber > > Sent from my iPad > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:06 AM PST US From: Chuck Campbell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness That's why they call these airplanes "EXPERIAMENTAL". Serriously=2C at 70 MPH I don't think .035 inch thickness will make much or a difference. C > Date: Tue=2C 5 Nov 2013 22:16:48 -0600 > From: lmforge@earthlink.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness > et> > > On 11/5/2013 9:42 PM=2C Gary Boothe wrote: > > Rick=2C > > > > I don't know what's OK=2C but mine are 1/8" Lexan from Lowe's Aircraft > > Supply....haven't blown away yet... > > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > Gary=2C > I was going to use Lowe's 1/8 inch Lexan=2C but as I said both of the > local Lowes only have it in 0.09". Looking at Lowes website=2C they say > both stores have the 1/8 inch material=2C but that's not true. I also > notice now that the website says the material is 1/8"=2C but when you > click on the specs the thickness is listed as 0.093" thick=2C not 0.125". > Gary=2C when you get a chance could you check the thickness of the Lowes > Lexan that you used. I'm not trying to over-think this=2C but as difficul t > as these windows are to make=2C I sure don't want to make a mistake. > > The nice thing about the Lowes material is that the 28x30 sheet size is > big enough to do both the front and rear windshields. If I order true > 1/8" Lexan from ACSS the 2'x2' sheet is too small. In order to have > enough material I would have to order a minimum of 8 square feet for > twice as much money. > > Rick Schreiber > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drilling troubles From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Thank you everyone for the replies. Worst problem is I'm already using all of the practices suggestedclamps, guides, pilot hole thru reamer. My drills just suck and they are both fairly new. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412255#412255 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:28 AM PST US From: Bkemike Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness Lowe's Online charges about 50% more, per square foot, for "1/8" Lexan than Aircraft Spuce. For the 0.093" actual thickness of Lowe's nominal 1/8", Lowe's wants $33.48 for 28"x30", which is $5.73/sq ft. AS&S gets $29.50 for a 2' x 4' x 0.093" sheet, or $3.69/sq ft. Mike Hardaway Politely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad. > On Nov 5, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Rick wrote: > > > I am building a 3 panel flybaby style windshield for my Piet. Pete Bowers originally designed the flat windshield for 1/8 inch plexiglas. I am going to go with Lexan, but I can only find 0.080" Lexan locally. If I have to order from ACSS I will need to order 8 sq feet instead of only a 28"x 30" panel from Lowes. What say ye? Will the .080" thick Lexan be a OK replacement strength wise for the 1/8" acrylic? The frame is .052" 5052 aluminum. I do know that Don Emch and Hans Vandevoo both used .080 Lexan on formed windshields, but I was wondering about the flat style. > > Rick Schreiber > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:25 AM PST US From: Rick Schreiber Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness On 11/6/2013 5:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > Rick, if you end up having to order your windscreen material, look at McMaster Carr................... Michael, I did look at Mcmaster Carr. Since I live just outside of Chicago I use them all of the time. The issue was availability. In order to cut the 6 panels I need, I have to have a sheet a little bigger than 24"x24" or a sheet 24x36. Lowes supposedly has sheets 1/8" x 28" x 30", which fit the bill exactly. Unfortunately these sheets are only 3/32" thick. I can get 1/8" material from any number of places, but nothing locally (unless I consider McMaster Carr local). So far the cheapest price including shipping is 2pcs 24"x24" or 1pc 24"x48" sheet from Aircraft Spruce. I think what I will do is go ahead and order from ACSS and just have replacement material left over. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:30 AM PST US From: Rick Schreiber Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness On 11/6/2013 8:13 AM, Bkemike wrote: > > Lowe's Online charges about 50% more, per square foot, for "1/8" Lexan than Aircraft Spuce. > For the 0.093" actual thickness of Lowe's nominal 1/8", Lowe's wants $33.48 for 28"x30", which is $5.73/sq ft. AS&S gets $29.50 for a 2' x 4' x 0.093" sheet, or $3.69/sq ft. > > Mike Hardaway > Mike, With shipping the ACSS material comes to $44. The issue is if Lowes had what they advertise, I would have already cut and been installing the windshield. Now I will have to order it and wait for it to come in. Since I live in the North and winter is fast approaching (the plane is in an unheated hangar) and this is my busy time of the year with my business, I am running out of time. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:30 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness Always a good idea to shop around and do some homework Rick, sounds like you have done so and have a good handle on it. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshield thickness From: "Don Emch" Rick, I would think with it being supported all the way around you should have no problem at all with .080" thick. Mine is unsupported at that thickness and I don't have any issues. I'd definitely use the .080" thick. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412269#412269 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drilling troubles From: "tkreiner" Curt, Try setting spindle speed using the formulas on the attached pdf. When drilling 4130 with cobalt drills, try calculating about 100 SFPM to start, and use a rather high infeed rate. Increase cutting pressure to do this. For some reason, 4XXX series metals like a high feed rate, but a rather moderate i.e., lower than 1018, sfpm. Please post results... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412271#412271 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/sfm_formulae_chart_163.pdf ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drilling troubles From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" I checked the speed of my press and it's set at 620 rpm. The slowest it'll go. I also ran to Harbor Freight and bought a set of cobalt bits. When I got home, I put a 1/4" reamer into the chuck and ran it. While running it, I slowly approached the shaft with a marker to mark the side of the chuck that was going to get whacked. After giving it a slight beating, I tried the new bits. The combination of bits and beating helped. I started with a 3/32" pilot hole. It cut through nicely. Then I followed it with a 3/16" bit. I was very impressed with the finished hole. After a finishing it with a reamer, an AN-3 bolt slid right in without any wobble. Now I get to re-do some parts to Jake-like quality. Thanks again everyone! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412284#412284 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drilling troubles From: "aerocarjake" Your Piet will be a "hole" lot better (ha!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412289#412289 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taylorcraft struts From: Group, For those of you who have used Taylorcraft struts on your Piet did you have to cut them down, if so what is the approximate length? I have a set I can purchase for next to nothing from a 1978 F-19. Thanks. Brian SLC-UT ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshield thickness From: "GNflyer" those 3 piece windshields sure look good. I went with plexiglass since I was heat bending it and that's what I decided to try but the local glass shop had lots of scraps in both materials and sold me scrap pieces pretty cheap. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412297#412297 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:32 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Taylorcraft struts On 11/6/2013 5:41 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote: > > Group, > > For those of you who have used Taylorcraft struts on your Piet did you > have to cut them down, if so what is the approximate length? I have a > set I can purchase for next to nothing from a 1978 F-19. Thanks. > > Brian > > SLC-UT > I used short wing Piper struts on mine, and only had to cut the rear one down. It was pretty easy to do, and the only exciting part was the oil coating on the inside caught fire a few times. Recycling struts can save you lots of money, provided they aren't rusty on the inside. -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn From: Matt Naiva I was looking forward to see Jim's plane fly. I live only two block from him. My prayers go to both families. http://fox6now.com/2013/11/06/two-dead-after-plane-crashes-in-kirksville-mo/ Matt ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: What tools should I be buying? From: "BritishJim" Just had a Home Depot gift card land my way.... Hope to start the Piet some time within the next few months. What tools should I be buying? Just wondering if anyone has a list either on paper or in their head :p Thanks! British Jim. -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412320#412320 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:44 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What tools should I be buying? What do you have? Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BritishJim Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What tools should I be buying? --> Just had a Home Depot gift card land my way.... Hope to start the Piet some time within the next few months. What tools should I be buying? Just wondering if anyone has a list either on paper or in their head :p Thanks! British Jim. -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412320#412320 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What tools should I be buying? From: "BritishJim" Having emigrated from the UK to Canada fairly recently, my collection is limited to the hammer, electric drill, screwdrivers, hand saw and the usual handyman's things. I am forced to start a fresh but figured this was a great opportunity to get the workshop set up properly. -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... 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