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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: What tools should I be buying? (Rick)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Windshield thickness (Rick)
4. 05:34 AM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (tools)
5. 09:01 AM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (Barry Davis)
6. 02:07 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (Bill Church)
7. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: What tools should I be buying? (Rick Holland)
8. 04:19 PM - Removing old masking tape (Peter Johnson)
9. 04:45 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (Kip and Beth Gardner)
10. 04:56 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (jarheadpilot82)
11. 05:36 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (David)
12. 07:53 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (tools)
13. 08:01 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (tools)
14. 08:14 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (John Woods)
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Subject: | Re: Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn |
Prayers going out to Jim's family. Very sad. Jim spent hours talking with m
e at Brodhead the last few years and had come to visit at Poplar Grove. Alw
ays smiling and a positive outlook. He will be missed.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Matt Naiva <corvaircoupe@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 12:20 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn
I was looking forward to see Jim's plane fly. I live only two block from hi
m.
My prayers go to both families.
http://fox6now.com/2013/11/06/two-dead-after-plane-crashes-in-kirksville-mo
/
Matt
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Subject: | Re: What tools should I be buying? |
Jim,
This is what I used....compound miter saw, table saw, band saw, drill press, table
top 4"x36" belt-disk sander.
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:59 PM, "BritishJim" <james@pieceofcakepr.com> wrote:
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> Having emigrated from the UK to Canada fairly recently, my collection is limited
to the hammer, electric drill, screwdrivers, hand saw and the usual handyman's
things.
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the workshop set up properly.
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Subject: | Re: Windshield thickness |
Don,
I think I will go with the thinner Lexan.
Thanks
Rick
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On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:34 AM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
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at all with .080" thick. Mine is unsupported at that thickness and I don't
have any issues. I'd definitely use the .080" thick.
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Subject: | Re: What tools should I be buying? |
This is more qualitative than quanitative...
I generally don't believe in buying stationary power tools new, they're so available
used for reasonable prices.
And I also don't generally believe in buying power hand tools used, as they're
usually slap worn out.
However, it's been a few years since I bought any tools, they make some nice stationary
tools these days that while aren't the nice heavy cast iron types I generally
like, they are pretty good. Basically portable power tools that are
well mounted and presented.
Quanitativley, I do believe life isn't worth living without a drill press and bandsaw.
However or where ever, I'd prioritize them highly. Useful no matter
the variant of Piet (or any plane) or how you decide to build. If at all possible,
I'd REALLY consider making the bandsaw a "wood/metal" type, which means
it'll have a way to slow the blade way down for metal cutting. Generally, all
14" bandsaws are good and blades are easy to get anywhere (all about 93 or 94
inches).
Somewhat oriented towards airplane building, a bench grinder (go for 3/4hp, skip
the smaller fractional ones, just not enough power) with a Scotchbrite wheel
for deburring and smoothing.
If you're gonna go hardcore mill you're own lumber make SURE you have the bandsaw
and then get a planer. Reasonably priced "lunchbox" planers will work GREAT
for what you're doing on a Piet. Don't bother with a jointer.
The bandsaw will allow you to maximize yield by resawing (get a 3/16 skip tooth
blade{available through any industrial supplier to any length you want, cost
should be under ten bucks} and you can resaw with any 14" saw up to 6" under
the guide quickly and effectively) and then a single pass through the planer and
it's cleaned up. Resawing on a tablesaw is NOT the way to go generally. It
wastes a lot of wood. Also a lot more dangerous.
An air compressor. Compressed air is like oxygen in a shop.
Generally overlooked, clamps. ALL OF THEM. Tell EVERYONE you know to buy you
clamps (if they're on the christmas card list...). When you invite a couple over
for dinner, tell them not to bring a bottle of wine, just bring a clamp, of
ANY kind. Clamps are like thumbs...
It's fun to set up a shop, let us know how it's going!
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Subject: | What tools should I be buying? |
This is a very old monthly article for our EAA Chapter Newsletter and for
our own use. Remember this was very early in the Big Piet Project and we
were building Steel fuselages.
Barry
Big Piet NX973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BritishJim
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What tools should I be buying?
--> <james@pieceofcakepr.com>
Just had a Home Depot gift card land my way....
Hope to start the Piet some time within the next few months. What tools
should I be buying?
Just wondering if anyone has a list either on paper or in their head :p
Thanks!
British Jim.
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Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
ground....
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Subject: | Re: What tools should I be buying? |
Jim,
In the article that Barry shared, there is a photo of a belt/disc sander, with
a hand written sign stating that "you can't build a Piet without one of these".
That tool (or more specifically, the disc sander part of that combination tool)
will probably give you the biggest bang for the buck. I use mine all the
time. Since you don't already have a table saw, I assume you will be buying your
wood as finished stock. Using a disc sander will allow you to rough cut (using
the hand saw that you already have) your sticks just slightly oversize,
and then precisely fine tune them to exactly the length and angle of cut that
you need. This is the method I used to make all of my parts for my ribs, and
almost every other stick in my plane. I recommend that you get the biggest diameter
disc sander you can. It's a very handy tool for Piet building.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412425#412425
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Subject: | Re: What tools should I be buying? |
If you are space limited or too cheap (like me) to get a metal cutting band
saw for cutting all your fittings and tubing just get a $40 die grinder
with 1/8" thick disks plus a vice for holding whatever you are cutting.
rh
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
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> Jim,
> In the article that Barry shared, there is a photo of a belt/disc sander,
> with a hand written sign stating that "you can't build a Piet without one
> of these". That tool (or more specifically, the disc sander part of that
> combination tool) will probably give you the biggest bang for the buck. I
> use mine all the time. Since you don't already have a table saw, I assume
> you will be buying your wood as finished stock. Using a disc sander will
> allow you to rough cut (using the hand saw that you already have) your
> sticks just slightly oversize, and then precisely fine tune them to exactly
> the length and angle of cut that you need. This is the method I used to
> make all of my parts for my ribs, and almost every other stick in my plane.
> I recommend that you get the biggest diameter disc sander you can. It's a
> very handy tool for Piet building.
>
> Bill C.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412425#412425
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--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: | Removing old masking tape |
Hi Guys,
I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new
trailing edges. All is looking good.
The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the ribs
before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is proving very
difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel to remove the tape
from the ribs but am having problems removing it from the aluminium
leading edge. I also have the remnants of the poly brush used to adhere
the fabric to the leading edge.
I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use.
Any suggestions?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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Subject: | Re: Removing old masking tape |
You might try turpentine or mineral spirits if there is nothing else
they might damage. It doesn't evaporate as fast as MEK, so it may
have a better chance of softening the dried tape adhesive. I've had
luck using it to remove dried duct tape adhesive when no other solvent
would work.
As always, test an area to be sure it doesn't do something to a part
of the airplane you don't want affected.
Kip Gardner
On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Peter Johnson wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new
> trailing edges. All is looking good.
>
> The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the
> ribs before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is
> proving very difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel
> to remove the tape from the ribs but am having problems removing it
> from the aluminium leading edge. I also have the remnants of the
> poly brush used to adhere the fabric to the leading edge.
>
> I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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Subject: | Re: Removing old masking tape |
I have used a product called (honest!) "goo gone" and I have yet to find a tape
adhesive it doesn't loosen. It is a citrus (orange) based product so they say.
I don't know if you have anything like that in Oz, but it works very well and
I is non-toxic.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Removing old masking tape |
Eucalyptus oil!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Removing old masking tape
Hi Guys,
I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new trailing
edges. All is looking good.
The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the ribs
before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is proving very
difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel to remove the tape
from the ribs but am having problems removing it from the aluminium leading
edge. I also have the remnants of the poly brush used to adhere the fabric
to the leading edge.
I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use.
Any suggestions?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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Subject: | Re: What tools should I be buying? |
Oh ya... how could I forget?! I'll second the sander. It's like water, you can
live a couple days without it, but that's about it...
It is one of the few shop tools you can build NEARLY as nicely as one you can buy.
The angleable and adjustable table is USELESS... that's why you can build
one as useful as buying one.
A shaft, a pulley, a pipe flange, a disc and a box as a table. I've made little
ones buy putting a wood disc directly on a motor shaft and a little piece of
4x4 as a table. SUPER handy.
The main advantage of building is that you can make a nice LARGE disc (3/4 ply
is good enough, if you're pushing harder than it can take, you need rougher sandpaper
or new sandpaper). Big discs are easily custom ordered through "The sanding
company" who sells Klingspor products which are SUPER nice and reasonably
priced.
For what it's worth, they sell cool boxes of mixed cutoffs from big to small belt
making that will last a LIFETIME.
Oh, for a Piet project, would be pretty easy to bandsaw close to a line, then touch
up on the sander and forgo the table saw. Just in case you have to prioritize!
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Subject: | Re: Removing old masking tape |
"Oops" or "Goof Off" will remove it. Also removes cheap spray paint after it's
dry, dried latex paint, and nearly EVERYTHING else. Safe to use on the aluminum
though. Should also remove the finish remnants.
I used it to remove the latex from the covering on 2RN to give me a finish free
area to repair the covering where I performed repairs.
Goo Gone may be the same, not sure.
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Subject: | Re: Removing old masking tape |
Peter try eucalyptus oil or tea tree oil. May work.
John woods
Perth WA
On Nov 8, 2013 8:18 AM, "Peter Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new
> trailing edges. All is looking good.
>
> The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the ribs
> before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is proving very
> difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel to remove the tape
> from the ribs but am having problems removing it from the aluminium leading
> edge. I also have the remnants of the poly brush used to adhere the fabric
> to the leading edge.
>
> I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://repiet.cpc-world.com
>
>
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