---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/07/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:12 AM - Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:35 AM - Re: Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn (danhelsper@aol.com) 2. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: What tools should I be buying? (Rick) 3. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Windshield thickness (Rick) 4. 05:34 AM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (tools) 5. 09:01 AM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (Barry Davis) 6. 02:07 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (Bill Church) 7. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: What tools should I be buying? (Rick Holland) 8. 04:19 PM - Removing old masking tape (Peter Johnson) 9. 04:45 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (Kip and Beth Gardner) 10. 04:56 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (jarheadpilot82) 11. 05:36 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (David) 12. 07:53 PM - Re: What tools should I be buying? (tools) 13. 08:01 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (tools) 14. 08:14 PM - Re: Removing old masking tape (John Woods) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:36 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)! 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Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn From: danhelsper@aol.com Prayers going out to Jim's family. Very sad. Jim spent hours talking with m e at Brodhead the last few years and had come to visit at Poplar Grove. Alw ays smiling and a positive outlook. He will be missed. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Matt Naiva Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 12:20 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sad news for the Pietenpol community re Jim Quinn I was looking forward to see Jim's plane fly. I live only two block from hi m. My prayers go to both families. http://fox6now.com/2013/11/06/two-dead-after-plane-crashes-in-kirksville-mo / Matt ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What tools should I be buying? From: Rick Jim, This is what I used....compound miter saw, table saw, band saw, drill press, table top 4"x36" belt-disk sander. Rick Schreiber Sent from my iPad On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:59 PM, "BritishJim" wrote: > > Having emigrated from the UK to Canada fairly recently, my collection is limited to the hammer, electric drill, screwdrivers, hand saw and the usual handyman's things. > > I am forced to start a fresh but figured this was a great opportunity to get the workshop set up properly. > > -------- > Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412322#412322 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshield thickness From: Rick Don, I think I will go with the thinner Lexan. Thanks Rick Sent from my iPad On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:34 AM, "Don Emch" wrote: > > Rick, > > I would think with it being supported all the way around you should have no problem at all with .080" thick. Mine is unsupported at that thickness and I don't have any issues. I'd definitely use the .080" thick. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412269#412269 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What tools should I be buying? From: "tools" This is more qualitative than quanitative... I generally don't believe in buying stationary power tools new, they're so available used for reasonable prices. And I also don't generally believe in buying power hand tools used, as they're usually slap worn out. However, it's been a few years since I bought any tools, they make some nice stationary tools these days that while aren't the nice heavy cast iron types I generally like, they are pretty good. Basically portable power tools that are well mounted and presented. Quanitativley, I do believe life isn't worth living without a drill press and bandsaw. However or where ever, I'd prioritize them highly. Useful no matter the variant of Piet (or any plane) or how you decide to build. If at all possible, I'd REALLY consider making the bandsaw a "wood/metal" type, which means it'll have a way to slow the blade way down for metal cutting. Generally, all 14" bandsaws are good and blades are easy to get anywhere (all about 93 or 94 inches). Somewhat oriented towards airplane building, a bench grinder (go for 3/4hp, skip the smaller fractional ones, just not enough power) with a Scotchbrite wheel for deburring and smoothing. If you're gonna go hardcore mill you're own lumber make SURE you have the bandsaw and then get a planer. Reasonably priced "lunchbox" planers will work GREAT for what you're doing on a Piet. Don't bother with a jointer. The bandsaw will allow you to maximize yield by resawing (get a 3/16 skip tooth blade{available through any industrial supplier to any length you want, cost should be under ten bucks} and you can resaw with any 14" saw up to 6" under the guide quickly and effectively) and then a single pass through the planer and it's cleaned up. Resawing on a tablesaw is NOT the way to go generally. It wastes a lot of wood. Also a lot more dangerous. An air compressor. Compressed air is like oxygen in a shop. Generally overlooked, clamps. ALL OF THEM. Tell EVERYONE you know to buy you clamps (if they're on the christmas card list...). When you invite a couple over for dinner, tell them not to bring a bottle of wine, just bring a clamp, of ANY kind. Clamps are like thumbs... It's fun to set up a shop, let us know how it's going! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412404#412404 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:29 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What tools should I be buying? This is a very old monthly article for our EAA Chapter Newsletter and for our own use. Remember this was very early in the Big Piet Project and we were building Steel fuselages. Barry Big Piet NX973BP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BritishJim Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What tools should I be buying? --> Just had a Home Depot gift card land my way.... Hope to start the Piet some time within the next few months. What tools should I be buying? Just wondering if anyone has a list either on paper or in their head :p Thanks! British Jim. -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412320#412320 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What tools should I be buying? From: "Bill Church" Jim, In the article that Barry shared, there is a photo of a belt/disc sander, with a hand written sign stating that "you can't build a Piet without one of these". That tool (or more specifically, the disc sander part of that combination tool) will probably give you the biggest bang for the buck. I use mine all the time. Since you don't already have a table saw, I assume you will be buying your wood as finished stock. Using a disc sander will allow you to rough cut (using the hand saw that you already have) your sticks just slightly oversize, and then precisely fine tune them to exactly the length and angle of cut that you need. This is the method I used to make all of my parts for my ribs, and almost every other stick in my plane. I recommend that you get the biggest diameter disc sander you can. It's a very handy tool for Piet building. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412425#412425 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What tools should I be buying? From: Rick Holland If you are space limited or too cheap (like me) to get a metal cutting band saw for cutting all your fittings and tubing just get a $40 die grinder with 1/8" thick disks plus a vice for holding whatever you are cutting. rh On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Jim, > In the article that Barry shared, there is a photo of a belt/disc sander, > with a hand written sign stating that "you can't build a Piet without one > of these". That tool (or more specifically, the disc sander part of that > combination tool) will probably give you the biggest bang for the buck. I > use mine all the time. Since you don't already have a table saw, I assume > you will be buying your wood as finished stock. Using a disc sander will > allow you to rough cut (using the hand saw that you already have) your > sticks just slightly oversize, and then precisely fine tune them to exactly > the length and angle of cut that you need. This is the method I used to > make all of my parts for my ribs, and almost every other stick in my plane. > I recommend that you get the biggest diameter disc sander you can. It's a > very handy tool for Piet building. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412425#412425 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:19 PM PST US From: Peter Johnson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Removing old masking tape Hi Guys, I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new trailing edges. All is looking good. The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the ribs before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is proving very difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel to remove the tape from the ribs but am having problems removing it from the aluminium leading edge. I also have the remnants of the poly brush used to adhere the fabric to the leading edge. I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use. Any suggestions? Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://repiet.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:12 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Removing old masking tape You might try turpentine or mineral spirits if there is nothing else they might damage. It doesn't evaporate as fast as MEK, so it may have a better chance of softening the dried tape adhesive. I've had luck using it to remove dried duct tape adhesive when no other solvent would work. As always, test an area to be sure it doesn't do something to a part of the airplane you don't want affected. Kip Gardner On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Peter Johnson wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new > trailing edges. All is looking good. > > The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the > ribs before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is > proving very difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel > to remove the tape from the ribs but am having problems removing it > from the aluminium leading edge. I also have the remnants of the > poly brush used to adhere the fabric to the leading edge. > > I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use. > > Any suggestions? > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://repiet.cpc-world.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Removing old masking tape From: "jarheadpilot82" I have used a product called (honest!) "goo gone" and I have yet to find a tape adhesive it doesn't loosen. It is a citrus (orange) based product so they say. I don't know if you have anything like that in Oz, but it works very well and I is non-toxic. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412431#412431 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:09 PM PST US From: "David" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Removing old masking tape Eucalyptus oil! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Johnson Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Removing old masking tape Hi Guys, I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new trailing edges. All is looking good. The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the ribs before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is proving very difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel to remove the tape from the ribs but am having problems removing it from the aluminium leading edge. I also have the remnants of the poly brush used to adhere the fabric to the leading edge. I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use. Any suggestions? Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://repiet.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What tools should I be buying? From: "tools" Oh ya... how could I forget?! I'll second the sander. It's like water, you can live a couple days without it, but that's about it... It is one of the few shop tools you can build NEARLY as nicely as one you can buy. The angleable and adjustable table is USELESS... that's why you can build one as useful as buying one. A shaft, a pulley, a pipe flange, a disc and a box as a table. I've made little ones buy putting a wood disc directly on a motor shaft and a little piece of 4x4 as a table. SUPER handy. The main advantage of building is that you can make a nice LARGE disc (3/4 ply is good enough, if you're pushing harder than it can take, you need rougher sandpaper or new sandpaper). Big discs are easily custom ordered through "The sanding company" who sells Klingspor products which are SUPER nice and reasonably priced. For what it's worth, they sell cool boxes of mixed cutoffs from big to small belt making that will last a LIFETIME. Oh, for a Piet project, would be pretty easy to bandsaw close to a line, then touch up on the sander and forgo the table saw. Just in case you have to prioritize! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412438#412438 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Removing old masking tape From: "tools" "Oops" or "Goof Off" will remove it. Also removes cheap spray paint after it's dry, dried latex paint, and nearly EVERYTHING else. Safe to use on the aluminum though. Should also remove the finish remnants. I used it to remove the latex from the covering on 2RN to give me a finish free area to repair the covering where I performed repairs. Goo Gone may be the same, not sure. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412439#412439 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Removing old masking tape From: John Woods Peter try eucalyptus oil or tea tree oil. May work. John woods Perth WA On Nov 8, 2013 8:18 AM, "Peter Johnson" wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I am cleaning up the wings on my repiet and have just installed new > trailing edges. All is looking good. > > The previous builder used masking tape as anti chafe tape along the ribs > before fabric covering. It has been on there a while and is proving very > difficult to remove. I have used the edge of a chisel to remove the tape > from the ribs but am having problems removing it from the aluminium leading > edge. I also have the remnants of the poly brush used to adhere the fabric > to the leading edge. > > I have tried MEK but seems to be of little use. > > Any suggestions? > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://repiet.cpc-world.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.