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1. 05:54 AM - A Spoked Wheel Question (jarheadpilot82)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: A Spoked Wheel Question (Jack Phillips)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: A Spoked Wheel Question (Greg Cardinal)
4. 07:27 AM - Re: A Spoked Wheel Question (jarheadpilot82)
5. 07:40 AM - Re: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? (Bill Church)
6. 10:17 AM - Re: FC-10, The Real Reason (taildrags)
7. 10:18 AM - Re: A Spoked Wheel Question (Ken Bickers)
8. 10:26 AM - Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: FC-10, The Real Reason (Gary Boothe)
10. 12:15 PM - Ken's setup (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
11. 12:34 PM - Re: Ken's setup (Ken Bickers)
12. 12:47 PM - Re: Ken's setup (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 04:23 PM - Re: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? (shad bell)
14. 06:06 PM - Re: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
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| Subject: | A Spoked Wheel Question |
I have a question for you Piet-ple flying with wire wheels. William Wynne is rebuilding
my gear as he replaces the bungees with die springs. He needs to know
the height of the tire from ground to the top of the tire on the wire wheels.
I measured P.F. Beck's and Don Harper's in Barnwell while at Corvair College #27
this past weekend. They are both running 19 inch rims and they measure 25 inches
from ground to level with the top of the tire. So-
1. Is there a preference in running 19 or 21 inch rims?
2. What is the height of your tire and what size rim and tire are you using?
Thanks in advance for the info!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | A Spoked Wheel Question |
Terry,
There is no preference that I know of. If the landing gear is already
built, the 21" wheels will give a slightly higher deck angle than 19"
wheels, which means the plane is more fully stalled when landing. I prefer
this, so the plane is stalled at the 3-point attitude, but it does make it
more difficult to get consistently smooth landings.
I learned to fly in a J-3 Cub years ago and it has a fairly high deck angle.
Later, when I owned a Cessna 140 I was frequently landing it tailwheel
first, trying to get it stalled at touchdown. So I built my Pietenpol to
about the same deck angle (as I recall it was 13 degrees) as the Cub.
My rims are 21 x 3.00 and the top of the tire is 26-3/4" above the ground.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Spoked Wheel Question
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
I have a question for you Piet-ple flying with wire wheels. William Wynne is
rebuilding my gear as he replaces the bungees with die springs. He needs to
know the height of the tire from ground to the top of the tire on the wire
wheels.
I measured P.F. Beck's and Don Harper's in Barnwell while at Corvair College
#27 this past weekend. They are both running 19 inch rims and they measure
25 inches from ground to level with the top of the tire. So-
1. Is there a preference in running 19 or 21 inch rims?
2. What is the height of your tire and what size rim and tire are you using?
Thanks in advance for the info!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412626#412626
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| Subject: | Re: A Spoked Wheel Question |
NX18235 is using 19" rims with 3.50 tires. Tire height is approx. 26" and
the deck angle is 12.5 degrees.
This is good for three point landings at slow speeds but, like Jack says, it
is hard to get consistently smooth landings.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Spoked Wheel Question
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> I have a question for you Piet-ple flying with wire wheels. William Wynne
> is rebuilding my gear as he replaces the bungees with die springs. He
> needs to know the height of the tire from ground to the top of the tire on
> the wire wheels.
>
> I measured P.F. Beck's and Don Harper's in Barnwell while at Corvair
> College #27 this past weekend. They are both running 19 inch rims and they
> measure 25 inches from ground to level with the top of the tire. So-
>
> 1. Is there a preference in running 19 or 21 inch rims?
> 2. What is the height of your tire and what size rim and tire are you
> using?
>
> Thanks in advance for the info!
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412626#412626
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Spoked Wheel Question |
Perfect. That would just fit with my current landing style. [Laughing]
It sounds like 26" +/- would be a good number, giving me the option of the 21 inch
rims with a more deck angle, but a little less if I were to find good 19 inch
rims. In other words, a compromise between P.F. and Don's 25 inch height,
and Jack's 26 and 3/4 inch.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? |
Jim,
Don't forget 1/8" plywood for gussets.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: FC-10, The Real Reason |
Love those wooden cabanes! Looks like he repositioned the mounting point for the
forward cabane attach brackets at the fuselage moved back about 3/4" or so.
Wonder what that was about. Also, no center section flop. Does he have a cutout?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: A Spoked Wheel Question |
I've got 19" wheels. With Avon Speedmaster 2.75/3.00 tyres (yes, their British),
the diameter is 25". Deck angle is 11 degrees. No landings to report. Cheers,
Ken
On Nov 10, 2013, at 8:12 AM, "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> NX18235 is using 19" rims with 3.50 tires. Tire height is approx. 26" and the
deck angle is 12.5 degrees.
> This is good for three point landings at slow speeds but, like Jack says, it
is hard to get consistently smooth landings.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:54 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Spoked Wheel Question
>
>
>>
>> I have a question for you Piet-ple flying with wire wheels. William Wynne is
rebuilding my gear as he replaces the bungees with die springs. He needs to know
the height of the tire from ground to the top of the tire on the wire wheels.
>>
>> I measured P.F. Beck's and Don Harper's in Barnwell while at Corvair College
#27 this past weekend. They are both running 19 inch rims and they measure 25
inches from ground to level with the top of the tire. So-
>>
>> 1. Is there a preference in running 19 or 21 inch rims?
>> 2. What is the height of your tire and what size rim and tire are you using?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the info!
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412626#412626
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? |
Oh---and by the way......if you note in ASS Co's (Aircraft Spruce & Special
ty Co.)
full page ($$$$) ads in Sport Aviation.....they claim "LOWEST price guarant
ee"
so checkout the Wicks catalog and if you find the wood cheaper (or anything
) make
sure you make Aircraft Spruce hold good to their word about pricing.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: FC-10, The Real Reason |
Long story about his attach points...but all good now. Center section is wider,
with a cutout.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FC-10, The Real Reason
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Love those wooden cabanes! Looks like he repositioned the mounting point for the
forward cabane attach brackets at the fuselage moved back about 3/4" or so.
Wonder what that was about. Also, no center section flop. Does he have a cutout?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Ken--your tire size and deck angle is exactly the same as my Pietenpol and it lands
like a pussycat. The most enjoyable
taildragger I have ever flown. You're going to have a blast.
Mike C.
I've got 19" wheels. With Avon Speedmaster 2.75/3.00 tyres (yes, their British),
the diameter is 25". Deck angle is 11 degrees. No landings to report. Cheers,
Ken
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Thanks, Mike. I'm looking forward to flying it. I suspect it will land
better once I get the rudder back on. Cheers, Ken
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> Ken--your tire size and deck angle is exactly the same as my Pietenpol and
> it lands like a pussycat. The most enjoyable
> taildragger I have ever flown. You're going to have a blast.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> I've got 19" wheels. With Avon Speedmaster 2.75/3.00 tyres (yes, their
> British), the diameter is 25". Deck angle is 11 degrees. No landings to
> report. Cheers, Ken
>
>
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Not only that Ken but I think you will find that the Pietenpol has excellen
t crosswind capabilities. I widened
my landing gear (think end-to-end is 68") and have kind of a squat stance w
ith only 12" from the ground to the
axel then another 12" from the axel to the belly.
I would go on further to say that the Pietenpol handles (on a nice, calm,
after work evening flight) nicer than any
Cub or Champ I've ever flown. It also was a great platform to checkout t
he falls colors last Monday afternoon
after work!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? |
I have had pretty good experiance with A.S.S.=C2- Wicks has nicer (but mo
re expensive) spruce from what I have bought, but in general A.S.S. is usua
lly the lower price.=C2- I like both vendors and have found that some (ve
ry few)=C2-items were either available at one or the other but not both.
=C2- My ribs for the Jungster were built from wood from both places, afte
r looking at wood quality of capstrip material I went with=C2- Wicks for
all 8 spars.=C2- I have had A.S.S. contact me off list after I aired some
dirty laundry here on the list, and they were very interested and commited
to resolving the issue.=C2- In my oppinion use which ever is convienant
for you they both seem like reputable companies to me.=0A=C2-=0AShad=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[
Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, November 10, 201
3 1:25 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth buying materials from Airc
raft Spruce?=0A=0A=0A=0AOh---and by the way......if you note in ASS Co's (A
ircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.)=0Afull page ($$$$) ads in Sport Aviation...
..they claim =9DLOWEST price guarantee=9D=0Aso checkout the Wic
ks catalog and if you find the wood cheaper (or anything) make=0Asure you m
ake Aircraft Spruce hold good to their word about pricing. =0A=C2-=0AMike
C.
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| Subject: | Re: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft Spruce? |
Usually the reason for buying all at once is to save on shipping costs,
which because of the length of the spars and sheets of ply and aluminum
and all can add up. But if you live nearby a supplier then just going by
and getting what you need when you need it can make a lot more sense.
Only a small percentage of airplanes are completed by the person who
originally started the project. You can find partially built projects
selling for a fraction of the money the original builder had invested in
them, some selling them at really low prices just to find the project a
new home. It happens for a variety of reasons too., If you don=99t
buy everything up front and decide, or some situation decides for you,
that you can=99t finish your plane then you are not out as much
money.
Dennis
From: shad bell
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft
Spruce?
I have had pretty good experiance with A.S.S. Wicks has nicer (but more
expensive) spruce from what I have bought, but in general A.S.S. is
usually the lower price. I like both vendors and have found that some
(very few) items were either available at one or the other but not both.
My ribs for the Jungster were built from wood from both places, after
looking at wood quality of capstrip material I went with Wicks for all
8 spars. I have had A.S.S. contact me off list after I aired some dirty
laundry here on the list, and they were very interested and commited to
resolving the issue. In my oppinion use which ever is convienant for
you they both seem like reputable companies to me.
Shad
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth buying materials from Aircraft
Spruce?
Oh---and by the way......if you note in ASS Co's (Aircraft Spruce &
Specialty Co.)
full page ($$$$) ads in Sport Aviation.....they claim =9DLOWEST
price guarantee=9D
so checkout the Wicks catalog and if you find the wood cheaper (or
anything) make
sure you make Aircraft Spruce hold good to their word about pricing.
Mike C.
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