---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/14/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:02 AM - Fun day flying (AircamperN11MS) 2. 07:57 AM - Re: Fun day flying (Rick Holland) 3. 07:57 AM - Re: Fun day flying (nightmare) 4. 08:11 AM - Re: Fun day flying (AircamperN11MS) 5. 08:56 AM - Re: Fun day flying (Jim Boyer) 6. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Fun day flying (Rick Holland) 7. 11:12 AM - Re: Fun day flying (AircamperN11MS) 8. 07:25 PM - Re: Fun day flying (Gary Boothe) 9. 08:52 PM - Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (Ray Krause) 10. 09:31 PM - welder (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun day flying From: "AircamperN11MS" Hello Lister's, Since the list is a little slow I will tell you what I did last Tuesday. We have the best flying weather in the So. Cal high desert during the fall months. Tuesday was one of those days. The temp was near 70 degrees with some very high overcast, there was no wind all day. About 2pm I decided that I couldn't take it anymore and left for the airport. This time to go flying. It was a perfect day to do some slow flight practice. I just lingered around the valley about 500 AGL at about 50 MPH and did a couple of landings at a local dirt strip. After about thirty minutes I got this crazy idea to see if I could land without using the stick after all the air was so calm that I had been flying with just rudder and throttle inputs for the last few minutes anyway. So why not my brain said. I headed back to my home airport to give it a try. I typically touch down at about 40 MPH. that is about stall speed for me since I don't have the Piet wing. I do have an adjustable trim tab for pitch so I trimmed the plane for 45 MPH at 1800 RPM. This had the plane flying nose high at about a 3 point attitude and I could either climb or descend with with just a couple of hundred RPM change. I think this is going to work. Now on the downwind leg everything in the world was right. Smooth air, wings level and the tower has cleared me to land. I am the only flying machine around. With my hand off of the stick (but very close by) I was able to turn crosswind then final with just rudder and throttle inputs. Yeah, that worked. Now I pulled the throttle back to about 1600 RPM and I am able to see a reasonable descent rate. At this point everything is just fine a dandy so I increase the throttle a little to see if I can slow the descent, it works great. Back to 1600 RPM again and now reaching for the runway at 45 MPH. Looks good, wings level and centered on the runway. As I got within a few feet of touchdown I added a touch of throttle and then it happened, touchdown, mains first with the tail wheel about 6 inches off the ground. Not even a bounce. After the tail touched down I did hold! the sti ck in my lap just cause that's what you're supposed to do. The plane rolled out straight and I had a big smile. I had fun Tuesday and discovered that I could land it in still air with just throttle and rudder control. It was a great way to end a four day weekend. Piets are sure fun to fly and they are an honest well flying airplane. Happy building and flying guys, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413033#413033 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fun day flying From: Rick Holland Very nice Scott, next time try the same thing except instead of using rudder for turns hold you left or right arm out of the cockpit. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:02 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Hello Lister's, > > Since the list is a little slow I will tell you what I did last Tuesday. > > We have the best flying weather in the So. Cal high desert during the fall > months. Tuesday was one of those days. The temp was near 70 degrees with > some very high overcast, there was no wind all day. About 2pm I decided > that I couldn't take it anymore and left for the airport. This time to go > flying. It was a perfect day to do some slow flight practice. I just > lingered around the valley about 500 AGL at about 50 MPH and did a couple > of landings at a local dirt strip. After about thirty minutes I got this > crazy idea to see if I could land without using the stick after all the air > was so calm that I had been flying with just rudder and throttle inputs for > the last few minutes anyway. So why not my brain said. I headed back to my > home airport to give it a try. I typically touch down at about 40 MPH. > that is about stall speed for me since I don't have the Piet wing. I do > have an adjustable trim tab for pitch so I trimmed the plane for 45 MPH at > 1800 RPM. This had the! > plane flying nose high at about a 3 point attitude and I could either > climb or descend with with just a couple of hundred RPM change. I think > this is going to work. Now on the downwind leg everything in the world was > right. Smooth air, wings level and the tower has cleared me to land. I am > the only flying machine around. With my hand off of the stick (but very > close by) I was able to turn crosswind then final with just rudder and > throttle inputs. Yeah, that worked. Now I pulled the throttle back to > about 1600 RPM and I am able to see a reasonable descent rate. At this > point everything is just fine a dandy so I increase the throttle a little > to see if I can slow the descent, it works great. Back to 1600 RPM again > and now reaching for the runway at 45 MPH. Looks good, wings level and > centered on the runway. As I got within a few feet of touchdown I added a > touch of throttle and then it happened, touchdown, mains first with the > tail wheel about 6 inches off the grou! > nd. Not even a bounce. After the tail touched down I did hold! > the sti > > ck in my lap just cause that's what you're supposed to do. The plane > rolled out straight and I had a big smile. > > I had fun Tuesday and discovered that I could land it in still air with > just throttle and rudder control. It was a great way to end a four day > weekend. > > Piets are sure fun to fly and they are an honest well flying airplane. > > Happy building and flying guys, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413033#413033 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fun day flying From: "nightmare" Sounds like your Piet has become as familiar and comfortable as a pair of nicely worn in shoes. Hope to some day have that same feeling. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413034#413034 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fun day flying From: "AircamperN11MS" Rick, The arm thing does work. If I put both arms out, the plane will pitch up. When I bring them back in it will pitch back down. Always fun to do when the person in the front cockpit is flying it. They don't know you are doing it. I have had Air Force test pilots in the front seat and done this to them. It is funny to here them explain to me that something undetermined is wrong with the plane. It really messes with them. They just shake their head when I tell them what I was doing. Fun stuff, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413036#413036 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:33 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fun day flying Hi Scott, That does sound like fun; smooth air and no hurry the Piet way. Cheers, Jim B. =C2- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fun day flying From: Rick Holland Didn't think about using both arms for elevator. So although this would be somewhat foolhardy you could possibly land a Piet (after lined up on a long final) in very smooth air with hands off the joystick and the rudder bar and any trim control AND the throttle. Just waving the arms, left, right, or both. rh On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:11 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Rick, > > The arm thing does work. If I put both arms out, the plane will pitch up. > When I bring them back in it will pitch back down. Always fun to do when > the person in the front cockpit is flying it. They don't know you are > doing it. I have had Air Force test pilots in the front seat and done this > to them. It is funny to here them explain to me that something > undetermined is wrong with the plane. It really messes with them. They > just shake their head when I tell them what I was doing. > > Fun stuff, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413036#413036 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fun day flying From: "AircamperN11MS" Rick, I think you chose the proper word for that kind of attempt. I'll leave that for someone else to try. It took me 40 years to try what I did. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413046#413046 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:41 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fun day flying Nice story, Scott. I don't have much dihedral, and letting go of the stick...ever...doesn't seem to work too well! Makes refolding the map a bitch!! Guess I'll have to get a gps... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun day flying --> Hello Lister's, Since the list is a little slow I will tell you what I did last Tuesday. We have the best flying weather in the So. Cal high desert during the fall months. Tuesday was one of those days. The temp was near 70 degrees with some very high overcast, there was no wind all day. About 2pm I decided that I couldn't take it anymore and left for the airport. This time to go flying. It was a perfect day to do some slow flight practice. I just lingered around the valley about 500 AGL at about 50 MPH and did a couple of landings at a local dirt strip. After about thirty minutes I got this crazy idea to see if I could land without using the stick after all the air was so calm that I had been flying with just rudder and throttle inputs for the last few minutes anyway. So why not my brain said. I headed back to my home airport to give it a try. I typically touch down at about 40 MPH. that is about stall speed for me since I don't have the Piet wing. I do have an adjustable trim tab for pitch so I trimmed the plane for 45 MPH at 1800 RPM. This had the! plane flying nose high at about a 3 point attitude and I could either climb or descend with with just a couple of hundred RPM change. I think this is going to work. Now on the downwind leg everything in the world was right. Smooth air, wings level and the tower has cleared me to land. I am the only flying machine around. With my hand off of the stick (but very close by) I was able to turn crosswind then final with just rudder and throttle inputs. Yeah, that worked. Now I pulled the throttle back to about 1600 RPM and I am able to see a reasonable descent rate. At this point everything is just fine a dandy so I increase the throttle a little to see if I can slow the descent, it works great. Back to 1600 RPM again and now reaching for the runway at 45 MPH. Looks good, wings level and centered on the runway. As I got within a few feet of touchdown I added a touch of throttle and then it happened, touchdown, mains first with the tail wheel about 6 inches off the grou! nd. Not even a bounce. After the tail touched down I did hold! the sti ck in my lap just cause that's what you're supposed to do. The plane rolled out straight and I had a big smile. I had fun Tuesday and discovered that I could land it in still air with just throttle and rudder control. It was a great way to end a four day weekend. Piets are sure fun to fly and they are an honest well flying airplane. Happy building and flying guys, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413033#413033 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:28 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 and radio rfi.. Guys, I know this may have bed discussed, but I have two questions: 1) I will be using an A-65 on my SkyScout without electrical. It has Eisemann Am-4 mags and non shielded harnesses. What have you done to suppress the rfi noise? 2) I plan on using my iCom A-24 hand held radio and would like to put a ground plane behind the seat for a remote antenna. What antennas have you used? I have the same mags and harness in the Aeronca and the rfi is so bad, the radio is useless. Any suggestions welcomed. We have the VERY OLD STYLE PLUGS, do I have to use the newer shielded plugs and harness, or just the harness? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:57 AM, "nightmare" wrote: > > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. 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