Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 11/15/13


Total Messages Posted: 36



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     0. 12:14 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 02:51 AM - Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (Jack Phillips)
     2. 04:30 AM - Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
     3. 06:07 AM - Passenger Door Photos (jarheadpilot82)
     4. 07:10 AM - Re: Passenger Door Photos ()
     5. 08:05 AM - Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (bdewenter)
     6. 09:06 AM - New to the list (goffelectric@comcast.net)
     7. 09:42 AM - Re: New to the list (Rick Holland)
     8. 09:45 AM - Re: New to the list (Fastnaught John)
     9. 10:25 AM - Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (Ray Krause)
    10. 10:33 AM - Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    11. 10:46 AM - Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (Ray Krause)
    12. 10:53 AM - Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions (Ray Krause)
    13. 12:17 PM - Almost ten years later (Rick Holland)
    14. 12:37 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (giacummo)
    15. 12:38 PM - a simple idea (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    16. 12:43 PM - Re: ***SPAM***Almost ten years later (David)
    17. 12:47 PM - Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    18. 01:15 PM - Re: Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!! (Rick Holland)
    19. 01:19 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Gary Boothe)
    20. 02:22 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Jim Boyer)
    21. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (Michael Perez)
    22. 03:53 PM - Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions (Gary Boothe)
    23. 04:33 PM - Re: New to the list (jarheadpilot82)
    24. 04:47 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (nightmare)
    25. 05:24 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (goffelectric@comcast.net)
    26. 05:38 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Jack Phillips)
    27. 06:05 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Ryan Mueller)
    28. 06:17 PM - Re: Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!! (taildrags)
    29. 06:21 PM - Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions (taildrags)
    30. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: New to the list (jorge lizarraga)
    31. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (Ray Krause)
    32. 08:13 PM - Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions (Ray Krause)
    33. 08:25 PM - complicated mock up (aviken)
    34. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: A-65 and radio rfi.. (Ray Krause)
    35. 09:33 PM - Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions (Gary Boothe)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:14:06 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published
    in December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 02:51:31 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: A-65 and radio rfi..
    Ray, My understanding is that you need the shielded harness AND plugs. That's what I have in my A65 and the radio is crystal clear. I have Slick mags and they came with the shielded harness, so I haven't tried it without shielding. Back when I owned a J-3 with an A65 (and Eismann mags) the handheld radio had not been invented so there was no problem. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 and radio rfi.. Guys, I know this may have bed discussed, but I have two questions: 1) I will be using an A-65 on my SkyScout without electrical. It has Eisemann Am-4 mags and non shielded harnesses. What have you done to suppress the rfi noise? 2) I plan on using my iCom A-24 hand held radio and would like to put a ground plane behind the seat for a remote antenna. What antennas have you used? I have the same mags and harness in the Aeronca and the rfi is so bad, the radio is useless. Any suggestions welcomed. We have the VERY OLD STYLE PLUGS, do I have to use the newer shielded plugs and harness, or just the harness? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:57 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote: > > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain


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    Time: 04:30:31 AM PST US
    From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65 and radio rfi..
    Ray, Attached are pictures of the antenna/ground plane in my Grega, it works well. In the seat back open picture the antenna is black and gp are green. I have one Eisemann Am-4 mag with shielded harness. Have you checked the AD on the Eisemann's? Skip > [Original Message] > From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Date: 11/14/2013 11:54:23 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 and radio rfi.. > <raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > Guys, > > I know this may have bed discussed, but I have two questions: > > 1) I will be using an A-65 on my SkyScout without electrical. It has Eisemann Am-4 mags and non shielded harnesses. What have you done to suppress the rfi noise? > > 2) I plan on using my iCom A-24 hand held radio and would like to put a ground plane behind the seat for a remote antenna. What antennas have you used? > > I have the same mags and harness in the Aeronca and the rfi is so bad, the radio is useless. Any suggestions welcomed. We have the VERY OLD STYLE PLUGS, do I have to use the newer shielded plugs and harness, or just the harness? > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:57 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain > >


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    Time: 06:07:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Passenger Door Photos
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    It has been a little slow lately on the forum, and I know the recent cold snap has slowed me as well as others down. With no heat in the workshop I had to move my center section into the house to do some gluing (pictures to follow in another post in a day or so). I don't think T88 likes 32 degrees in the shop! I thought I would post some photos of the passenger door recently welded into my fuselage by William Wynne and his outstanding welder, Vern Stephenson. The photos and comments are self-explanatory, but I thought it might help the builders contemplating or building the steel tube fuselage. If you need any welding work done and you are anywhere near the Jacksonville FL area, I would highly encourage you to contact William. Yes, he is The Corvair Authority, and I am sure most of us think of him that way. However, he is also a highly skilled A&P with a place in his heart for Pietenpols and Pietenpol builders. He comes to Brodhead every year to talk Corvairs, but also talk Pietenpols. So, if you need help, give him a call. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413144#413144 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_steel_fuselage_door_109.jpg


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    Time: 07:10:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Passenger Door Photos
    From: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
    Terry, Nice looking fuselage...!! Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Passenger Door Photos --> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> It has been a little slow lately on the forum, and I know the recent cold snap has slowed me as well as others down. With no heat in the workshop I had to move my center section into the house to do some gluing (pictures to follow in another post in a day or so). I don't think T88 likes 32 degrees in the shop! I thought I would post some photos of the passenger door recently welded into my fuselage by William Wynne and his outstanding welder, Vern Stephenson. The photos and comments are self-explanatory, but I thought it might help the builders contemplating or building the steel tube fuselage. If you need any welding work done and you are anywhere near the Jacksonville FL area, I would highly encourage you to contact William. Yes, he is The Corvair Authority, and I am sure most of us think of him that way. However, he is also a highly skilled A&P with a place in his heart for Pietenpols and Pietenpol builders. He comes to Brodhead every year to talk Corvairs, but also talk Pietenpols. So, if you need help, give him a call. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413144#413144 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_steel_fuselage_door_109.jpg


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    Time: 08:05:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A-65 and radio rfi..
    From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
    P.F. Beck made a very nice presentation at Broadhead in 2013 regarding making an antenna and ground plane for the Pietenpol. The ground plane needs to be equal in width and length to the height of your antenna. As for what to make the antenna from, he suggests finding some leftover welding rod! He can be reached at the Barnwell regional airport in Barnwell SC. for more details barnwellairport@bellsouth.net -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413148#413148


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    Time: 09:06:24 AM PST US
    From: goffelectric@comcast.net
    Subject: New to the list
    Hello to everyone. My name is Keith Goff. I live in Graniteville SC and am new to the list. I'm about an hour North of PF Beck and Don Harper, very lu cky for me! I started my project in March of 2012 so I'm about a year and a half in. I have a rolling frame on bicycle tires and my Pietenpolr ribs ar e built. I will try to attach a couple of pictures, the garage in the back ground is not mine. I am building in a 12x24 work shop that isn't big enoug h to take a picture of the whole airplane in. I look forward to being on th is list and appreciate all of the great information posted here. =C2- Keith Goff


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    Time: 09:42:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New to the list
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Nice work Keith, and great progress for only a year and a half. Some people take that long to just build their ribs. rh On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM, <goffelectric@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello to everyone. My name is Keith Goff. I live in Graniteville SC and am > new to the list. I'm about an hour North of PF Beck and Don Harper, very > lucky for me! I started my project in March of 2012 so I'm about a year and > a half in. I have a rolling frame on bicycle tires and my Pietenpolr ribs > are built. I will try to attach a couple of pictures, the garage in the > back ground is not mine. I am building in a 12x24 work shop that isn't big > enough to take a picture of the whole airplane in. I look forward to being > on this list and appreciate all of the great information posted here. > > Keith Goff > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z


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    Time: 09:45:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New to the list
    From: Fastnaught John <fastnaught@windstream.net>
    Hello Keith, I live in Gilbert SC and about 75% done on my Piet. I would love to get together sometime and share ideas. Please call me or email. 803-414-2235 jack Fasntaught On Nov 15, 2013, at 12:05 PM, goffelectric@comcast.net wrote: > <Piete.png>


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    Time: 10:25:08 AM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65 and radio rfi..
    Thanks, Jack. I am not sure how the Eisemann mags that I have accept the shielded harness. With shielded plugs, are the shielded ignition wires grounded at the plug AND at the mag ends? The original Eisemann mags (AM-4) did not support shielded plugs or wires, I think. Jack, do you just use the hand held's standard little antenna? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:51 AM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote: > > > Ray, My understanding is that you need the shielded harness AND plugs. > That's what I have in my A65 and the radio is crystal clear. I have Slick > mags and they came with the shielded harness, so I haven't tried it without > shielding. Back when I owned a J-3 with an A65 (and Eismann mags) the > handheld radio had not been invented so there was no problem. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 and radio rfi.. > > > Guys, > > I know this may have bed discussed, but I have two questions: > > 1) I will be using an A-65 on my SkyScout without electrical. It has > Eisemann Am-4 mags and non shielded harnesses. What have you done to > suppress the rfi noise? > > 2) I plan on using my iCom A-24 hand held radio and would like to put a > ground plane behind the seat for a remote antenna. What antennas have you > used? > > I have the same mags and harness in the Aeronca and the rfi is so bad, the > radio is useless. Any suggestions welcomed. We have the VERY OLD STYLE > PLUGS, do I have to use the newer shielded plugs and harness, or just the > harness? > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:57 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask > the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. > text/plain > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:33:40 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions
    Why is this like shooting ducks in a barrel every time? My Uncle Tony has already answered all of your questions. This time 18 years ago. You just need to take time to listen to and read my Uncle Tony's advice. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/instruments/5Why%20Tolerate%20Radio%20Noise.html


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    Time: 10:46:20 AM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65 and radio rfi..
    Skip, Yes, I have conformed to the AD, no problem with the coils on the mags. Do you also run shielded plugs? Where did you get the shielded harness, make it? And if so, how did you make it? On the antenna: the coax cable central wire connects to the antenna which is 23" long, and the ground wire connects to each of the 23" ground pieces? The ground pieces are then attached to the fuselage sides vertically and the antenna is held horizontally, or parallel to the longerons? And these measurements work well for communications frequencies? Thanks, this really helps, just what I needed for the antenna. Looking forward to your response. Way too many questions?! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 4:29 AM, "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Ray, > Attached are pictures of the antenna/ground plane in my Grega, it works > well. In the seat back open picture the antenna is black and gp are green. > I have one Eisemann Am-4 mag with shielded harness. > Have you checked the AD on the Eisemann's? > Skip > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Date: 11/14/2013 11:54:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 and radio rfi.. >> > <raykrause@frontiernet.net> >> >> Guys, >> >> I know this may have bed discussed, but I have two questions: >> >> 1) I will be using an A-65 on my SkyScout without electrical. It has > Eisemann Am-4 mags and non shielded harnesses. What have you done to > suppress the rfi noise? >> >> 2) I plan on using my iCom A-24 hand held radio and would like to put a > ground plane behind the seat for a remote antenna. What antennas have you > used? >> >> I have the same mags and harness in the Aeronca and the rfi is so bad, > the radio is useless. Any suggestions welcomed. We have the VERY OLD STYLE > PLUGS, do I have to use the newer shielded plugs and harness, or just the > harness? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:57 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> > wrote: >>> >>> This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. > Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. > text/plain > > <com antena drawing.jpg> > <pilot seat back open.JPG>


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    Time: 10:53:33 AM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your
    questions Thanks you, Mike! I should have referenced Uncle before I asked that question. Just hope some others in our group may have come up with some "other" ideas. I will be sure to check the Uncle first, in the future! I do have all his material. Thanks for the reference, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:33 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > > > Why is this like shooting ducks in a barrel every time? > > My Uncle Tony has already answered all of your questions. This time 18 years ago. You just need to take > time to listen to and read my Uncle Tony's advice. > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/instruments/5Why%20Tolerate%20Radio%20Noise.html > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:17:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Almost ten years later
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later. Some details: Engine: Corvair 2700 cc Prop: Tennessee 66x30 Empty wt: 736 Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front limit, cabanes vertical) Runway elevation: 6840 ft. Temp: 53F Runway density alt: 8112 ft. Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easily go higher) Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon. CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler). Oil Pressure: mid 40s Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even with zero time in type). Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed. Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever experience as everyone that has done it has said. One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU Thank again guys -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z


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    Time: 12:37:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Almost ten years later
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Felicitaciones!!! a little bit shaked the video, and your head, no?.. your first flight in your own airplane.....awsome Enjoy it it. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413162#413162


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    Time: 12:38:02 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: a simple idea
    Ray-- I don't have shielded ignition on my Eisemann mags either but I did carefully follow Tony's advice in shielding my magneto switch P-lead wires, grounding them at both ends and that had to have helped because I can use my handheld radio without too much ignition noise. Here's something my United Airlines buddy Joe Tomasic told me years ago when flying our Champ and using a radio with unshielded ignition......'just switch to fly on one mag while you're listening or transmitting.' Brilliant. That cuts out half the noise. Mike C.


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    Time: 12:43:48 PM PST US
    From: "David" <david@tynerroberts.com>
    Subject: Almost ten years later
    Congrats! And great video.. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: ***SPAM***Pietenpol-List: Almost ten years later Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later. Some details: Engine: Corvair 2700 cc Prop: Tennessee 66x30 Empty wt: 736 Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front limit, cabanes vertical) Runway elevation: 6840 ft. Temp: 53F Runway density alt: 8112 ft. Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easily go higher) Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon. CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler). Oil Pressure: mid 40s Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even with zero time in type). Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed. Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever experience as everyone that has done it has said. One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU Thank again guys -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z


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    Time: 12:47:19 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!!
    WOW RICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations Man!!!!! Awesome accomplishment and so glad to hear things went so well!!!! Mike C. So actually it only took you 9 years.....and change:) ! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost ten years later Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on 10/2 4/2013, four days short of ten years later. Some details: Engine: Corvair 2700 cc Prop: Tennessee 66x30 Empty wt: 736 Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front limit , cabanes vertical) Runway elevation: 6840 ft. Temp: 53F Runway density alt: 8112 ft. Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easily go higher) Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and . 9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon. CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler). Oil Pressure: mid 40s Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing i s as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even wit h zero time in type). Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air pressu re pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed. Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all m y stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and f lying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever exper ience as everyone that has done it has said. One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU Thank again guys -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z rsbooks.com> m> >


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    Time: 01:15:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!!
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Thanks Mikey, oh and I also forgot to thank Mr. Pietenpol. rh On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > WOW RICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations Man!!!!! > > > Awesome accomplishment and so glad to hear things went so well!!!! > > > Mike C. > > > So actually it only took you 9 years=85..and changeJ ! > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland > *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 3:17 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Almost ten years later > > > Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on > 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later. > > > Some details: > > > Engine: Corvair 2700 cc > > Prop: Tennessee 66x30 > > Empty wt: 736 > > Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front > limit, cabanes vertical) > > Runway elevation: 6840 ft. > > Temp: 53F > > Runway density alt: 8112 ft. > > Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easil y > go higher) > > Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and > .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon. > > CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler). > > Oil Pressure: mid 40s > > > Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias > of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothi ng > is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even > with zero time in type). > > > Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air > pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed. > > > Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all > my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch an d > flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever > experience as everyone that has done it has said. > > > One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol > fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video) : > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU > > > Thank again guys > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > > ============== sts This Month -- And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) ick ontd > aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com http://www.buildersbooks.com"> > www.buildersbooks.com .homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > w.mypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com ww.mrrace.com">www.mrrace.combut ion"> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution b> bsp; -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. ============== ietenpol-L ist Email Forum - > :p> > /o:p> tor?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======= ======= bsp; > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com ====== ======= > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z


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    Time: 01:19:44 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Almost ten years later
    That's great, Rick!! What a great feeling! I had to add front support for the cowling, too. In case you are interested, I have attached a picture of the speaker muffler that I put on my Sony video camera. I sell these for $4.75 ea. ;-) Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost ten years later Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later. Some details: Engine: Corvair 2700 cc Prop: Tennessee 66x30 Empty wt: 736 Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front limit, cabanes vertical) Runway elevation: 6840 ft. Temp: 53F Runway density alt: 8112 ft. Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easily go higher) Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon. CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler). Oil Pressure: mid 40s Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even with zero time in type). Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed. Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever experience as everyone that has done it has said. One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU Thank again guys -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z


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    Time: 02:22:30 PM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Almost ten years later
    Congratulations Rick; it looked like a nice flight around the patch. The wind noise makes it hard to hear that smooth running Corviar though! Looked like a beautiful late afternoon flight. Cheers, Jim B.


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    Time: 03:41:07 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65 and radio rfi..
    Maybe: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/antennasystems.php?clickkey=216737 If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 03:53:16 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your
    questions Just between you and I, Ray, I don't have Uncle Tony's books. Don't tell Mike, though...I'm not sure that he wouldn't just snap! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net> Thanks you, Mike! I should have referenced Uncle before I asked that question. Just hope some others in our group may have come up with some "other" ideas. I will be sure to check the Uncle first, in the future! I do have all his material. Thanks for the reference, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:33 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > > --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > > Why is this like shooting ducks in a barrel every time? > > My Uncle Tony has already answered all of your questions. This time 18 years ago. You just need to take > time to listen to and read my Uncle Tony's advice. > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/instruments/5Why%20T > olerate%20Radio%20Noise.html > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:33:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New to the list
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    The pictures that are attached to this post are pictures I took of Keith's Pietenpol project that he brought to this past weekend's Corvair College #27 in Barnwell. As you can see, he does nice work. Far better than mine, that is for sure. He told me that he had been "lurking" on the Forum for a while. I told him with nice work like this, he needs to post and be an active part of the forum. As you can see, Keith does nice work (other than stealing his children's bicycle rims [Laughing] ). Welcome to the ACTIVE forum, Keith. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413178#413178 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_7_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_20_188.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_10_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_30_853.jpg


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    Time: 04:47:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Almost ten years later
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Awesome Rick. Congrats -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413179#413179


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    Time: 05:24:01 PM PST US
    From: goffelectric@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Almost ten years later
    Thanks for the welcome, your vidio is great Congrats! I like the camera ang le. Keith Goff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:17:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost ten years later Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on 10/2 4/2013, four days short of ten years later. Some details: Engine: Corvair 2700 cc Prop: Tennessee 66x30 Empty wt: 736 Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front limit , cabanes vertical) Runway elevation: 6840 ft. Temp: 53F Runway density alt: 8112 ft. Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easily go higher) Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and . 9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon. CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler). Oil Pressure: mid 40s Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing i s as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even wit h zero time in type).=C2- Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air pressu re pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed. Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all m y stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and f lying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever exper ience as everyone that has done it has said.=C2- One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU Thank again guys -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z =C2- ===========


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    Time: 05:38:03 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Almost ten years later
    Way to go, Rick! Great feeling, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost ten years later Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later. Some details: Engine: Corvair 2700 cc Prop: Tennessee 66x30 Empty wt: 736 Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front limit, cabanes vertical) Runway elevation: 6840 ft. Temp: 53F Runway density alt: 8112 ft. Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easily go higher) Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon. CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler). Oil Pressure: mid 40s Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even with zero time in type). Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed. Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever experience as everyone that has done it has said. One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU Thank again guys -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z


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    Time: 06:05:42 PM PST US
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    Subject: Re: Almost ten years later
    Congratulations Rick! do not archive On 11/15/2013 2:17 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on > 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later.


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    Time: 06:17:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!!
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Rick; my sincere congratulations to you for your successful first flight!. It is always inspiring to see yet another Piet take to the air, and it really looks like it was a beautiful day for the event. Decompress and give us some feedback on your sensations from the flight. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413183#413183


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    Time: 06:21:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your
    questions
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Gary: you don't have Tony Bingelis' books? You are hereby un-friended until you put Tony's books on your Christmas wish list. You are missing a great deal of valuable material, photos, hints, ideas, and insight. Sometimes I think we should take up a collection to purchase Tony's books for poor lost souls who are still wandering in the desert. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413184#413184


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    Time: 08:04:57 PM PST US
    From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: New to the list
    welcom to the famyly and looks like beautyfull jope your finished sooner ,c ongrats .jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Friday, November 15, 2013 4:40 PM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:=0A =0A--> Pietenpo l-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A =0AThe pictures that are attached to this post are pictures I took of Keith 's Pietenpol project that he brought to this past weekend's Corvair College #27 in Barnwell. As you can see, he does nice work. Far better than mine, that is for sure.=0A=0AHe told me that he had been "lurking" on the Forum f or a while. I told him with nice work like this, he needs to post and be an active part of the forum.=0A=0AAs you can see, Keith does nice work (other than stealing his children's bicycle rims [Laughing] ).=0A=0AWelcome to th e ACTIVE forum, Keith.=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics .com/viewtopic.php?p=413178#413178=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp: //forums.matronics.com//files/image_7_158.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com //files/image_20_188.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/image_10_125. =========


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    Time: 08:10:36 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65 and radio rfi..
    Thanks, Mike. I will look into this, seems like an easy answer. Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Maybe: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/antennasystems.php?clickkey=216737 > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > >


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    Time: 08:13:39 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your
    questions Gary, Now I have dome information I can use against you in the future! I have the complete set, but forget to use them until someone points out my mistake! Some of his stuff is repetitive and/or self evident. Good stuff, just the same. Flying this weekend? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 3:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Just between you and I, Ray, I don't have Uncle Tony's books. Don't tell > Mike, though...I'm not sure that he wouldn't just snap! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:53 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to > your questions > > --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > Thanks you, Mike! I should have referenced Uncle before I asked that > question. Just hope some others in our group may have come up with some > "other" ideas. > > I will be sure to check the Uncle first, in the future! I do have all his > material. > > Thanks for the reference, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:33 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage >> Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> >> >> Why is this like shooting ducks in a barrel every time? >> >> My Uncle Tony has already answered all of your questions. This time 18 > years ago. You just need to take >> time to listen to and read my Uncle Tony's advice. >> >> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/instruments/5Why%20T >> olerate%20Radio%20Noise.html > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:25:54 PM PST US
    Subject: complicated mock up
    From: "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net>
    Hi fellows, please don't laugh too hard at my complex mock-up. Just wanted to confirm that I would fit... I do touch a little at the shoulders, but I don't think that will be a game changer . I really want to stay with the plans but what do ya'll think? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413190#413190


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    Time: 08:36:13 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65 and radio rfi..
    Thanks, Bob. I wrote to him and requested any info he might be able to supply. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:05 AM, "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com> wrote: > > > P.F. Beck made a very nice presentation at Broadhead in 2013 regarding making an antenna and ground plane for the Pietenpol. The ground plane needs to be equal in width and length to the height of your antenna. > > As for what to make the antenna from, he suggests finding some leftover welding rod! He can be reached at the Barnwell regional airport in Barnwell SC. for more details barnwellairport@bellsouth.net > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413148#413148 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:33:37 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your
    questions I'll fly in the morning, if the wind dies down. It's "Airport Day" at LHM and avgas is a mere $4.98!! Come on down....! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers to your questions --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net> Gary, Now I have dome information I can use against you in the future! I have the complete set, but forget to use them until someone points out my mistake! Some of his stuff is repetitive and/or self evident. Good stuff, just the same. Flying this weekend? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2013, at 3:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > --> <gboothe5@comcast.net> > > Just between you and I, Ray, I don't have Uncle Tony's books. Don't > tell Mike, though...I'm not sure that he wouldn't just snap! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray > Krause > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:53 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Noise--- Tony Bingelis 1995 answers > to your questions > > --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > Thanks you, Mike! I should have referenced Uncle before I asked that > question. Just hope some others in our group may have come up with > some "other" ideas. > > I will be sure to check the Uncle first, in the future! I do have all > his material. > > Thanks for the reference, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:33 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage >> Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> >> >> Why is this like shooting ducks in a barrel every time? >> >> My Uncle Tony has already answered all of your questions. This time >> 18 > years ago. You just need to take >> time to listen to and read my Uncle Tony's advice. >> >> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/instruments/5Why%20 >> T >> olerate%20Radio%20Noise.html > > > > > > > > >




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