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1. 03:47 AM - Re: Re: Prop carving (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 07:09 AM - Propeller templates (Jim Birke)
3. 08:26 AM - FW: Pietenpol S/N 1 (Gary Boothe)
4. 08:47 AM - Piet for sale (kmordecai001@comcast.net)
5. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Prop carving (Amsafetyc)
6. 04:42 PM - Re: Rick's flight (Rick Holland)
7. 05:14 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Rick Holland)
8. 06:11 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Steven Dortch)
9. 06:13 PM - Re: Rick's flight (Steven Dortch)
10. 06:21 PM - Re: Piet for sale (Steven Dortch)
11. 06:57 PM - How Much Fabric? (jarheadpilot82)
12. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!! (Rick Holland)
13. 07:30 PM - Re: Rick's flight (Rick Holland)
14. 07:37 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Rick Holland)
15. 07:43 PM - Re: Rick's flight (Steven Dortch)
16. 07:56 PM - Re: Almost ten years later (Steven Dortch)
17. 08:28 PM - Re: How Much Fabric? (taildrags)
18. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: How Much Fabric? (Ken Bickers)
19. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: How Much Fabric? (jim hyde)
20. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: How Much Fabric? (Ken Bickers)
21. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication (Ray Krause)
22. 09:43 PM - Re: FW: Pietenpol S/N 1 (Ray Krause)
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Subject: | Re: Prop carving |
John,
Here is some visual motivation for you my good friend. Time to put-on the C
arhartz, get back over to the hangar and fire-up the chainsaw. If you make
a mistake, just make the same one on the opposite side.....no worries! Next
thing you know its gonna be spring and you can test her out!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving
Scott,
I'm in a rut, you can always come help me build, I'm making no progress fas
t so anyone interested in coming to help build please feel free to come and
help. I'm hoping for second wind of builders enthusiasm.Just too diluted
and too far behind with work, business and medical issues I can sure uses a
kick start.
John
In a message dated 11/1/2013 1:45:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Scott.lief
eld@lacity.org writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@l
acity.org>
Chris,
That building bug just won't go away, even after you fly. I still miss h
aving something to build sometimes. Especially when I can't fly due to w
eather. Have fun with it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Propeller templates |
Would anyone have the templates (drawings) needed to carve a Lawrence 28
propeller as used on a Ford A engine? (6' length - 42" pitch.) Since
dimensions are important, if the drawings were in the .DWG (AutoCad)
format. If not that, any other format would do as long as there was a
grid of some dimension as a background for the image. I'll be happy to
pay for them.
Jim Birke
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Subject: | FW: Pietenpol S/N 1 |
Here=99s some nice Sunday morning reading, scanned and forwarded
to me by my hangar neighbor. Most is history that we know of, but
interesting that it comes from the Model T Club.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: Dennis Coulter [mailto:dennis.coulter@zetabroadband.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol S/N 1
Gary, I hope you and Pietenpol guys find this as interesting as I did.
Dennis
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Fellow Pieters,
I=C2-regretfully announce that I am selling NX520SF due to ongoing knee a
nd leg issues.=C2- Only managed about 15 hours/year the last two years fo
llowing a torn meniscus, surgery=C2-and a re-injury, followed by an injur
y to the other knee shortly afterwards.=C2- Now they tend to cramp up and
need stretching after a few minutes seated in the plane, and there's not e
nough room for me to do that.
This is John Ficklen's plane, completed in 2004, purchased by me in 2005, a
nd has been=C2-kept=C2-in an insulated hangar at 2J0.=C2- 217 TTAF, n
ever left out overnight, and looked after by an anal-retentive maintenance
fanatic (me) who frets over a few bugs on the prop and promptly cleans them
off after every flight.=C2- Continental A-75, 184 SMOH, chrome cylinders
, standard dimensions (not ground undersize) flanged C85 crank, Real Gasket
pushrod tubes (I can't tolerate oil leaks).=C2- Slick mags and harnesses
.=C2- Except for the Hegy prop, it's all certified from the motor mount f
orward.=C2-
=C2-
The craftsmanship is superb.=C2- I never made it to Sun n Fun, but this w
ould certainly have been a prize winner if I had.
=C2-
I was looking forward to flying the life out of this essentially new=C2-m
otor, but now will start trying on other planes for size and legroom.=C2-
Listed it on Barnstormers last night.=C2- Includes the intercom, Icom ra
dio, and GPS.=C2-=C2-
https://www.barnstormers.com/listing_images.php?id=840784
=C2-
Feel free to=C2-email or call for more details or photos=C2-if you're i
nterested.=C2- Asking $16,900, which is way=C2-less than I've got in it
.=C2-(ain't that how it always works out?)
=C2-
Dave Mordecai
41 Monocoupe Circle
Panacea, FL=C2-=C2- (2J0)
850-984-4856=C2- home
850-891-5936=C2- office
850-694-8235=C2- cell
kmordecai001@comcast.net
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Prop carving |
Thanks Earl,
Since my back and knee started really bothering me it's been a struggle to work.
And with the store it's been 7 days a week since may or June.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 9:21 PM, "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hey John
> Let me know when you'll be at the hanger and what ya want to get
> done and I'll come help!
>
> --------
> Earl Brown
>
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413228#413228
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Subject: | Re: Rick's flight |
Thank you Douwe, attached a picture, ready to fly, not so much a piece of
art and engineering like yours. You are the Pietenpol renaissance man.
Rick H
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Douwe Blumberg <
douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Yay Rick!!! Way to go!
>
>
> Send in some pics of your plane, I don=92t think I=92ve seen her all fin
ished
> up.
>
>
> Douwe
>
> *
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: | Re: Almost ten years later |
Thank you Randy. That first flight was the most exciting thing I have done
since my first sky dive back in the 70s (but much more fun).
Rick H
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Robert Bush <rbush96589@aol.com> wrote:
> Congratulations Rick, glad to see you in the air. Makes all those years of
> work worth it doesn't it?
> On another note, there is a good write up in the October issue of general
> aviation news on Greg Cardinal and Bob Poore and their piets.
> Randy Bush
> NX294RB
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on
> 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later.
>
> Some details:
>
> Engine: Corvair 2700 cc
> Prop: Tennessee 66x30
> Empty wt: 736
> Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front
> limit, cabanes vertical)
> Runway elevation: 6840 ft.
> Temp: 53F
> Runway density alt: 8112 ft.
> Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could easily
> go higher)
> Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and
> .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon.
> CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler).
> Oil Pressure: mid 40s
>
>
> Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias
> of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing
> is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even
> with zero time in type).
>
> Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air
> pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed.
>
> Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all
> my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and
> flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever
> experience as everyone that has done it has said.
>
> One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol
> fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video):
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU
>
> Thank again guys
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: | Re: Almost ten years later |
You must have forgotten how exciting that skydive was!!! Yahoo. Adrenaline
junkies forever. Each flight is exciting. And first flights more so!
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Randy. That first flight was the most exciting thing I have done
> since my first sky dive back in the 70s (but much more fun).
>
> Rick H
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Robert Bush <rbush96589@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations Rick, glad to see you in the air. Makes all those years
>> of work worth it doesn't it?
>> On another note, there is a good write up in the October issue of general
>> aviation news on Greg Cardinal and Bob Poore and their piets.
>> Randy Bush
>> NX294RB
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on
>> 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later.
>>
>> Some details:
>>
>> Engine: Corvair 2700 cc
>> Prop: Tennessee 66x30
>> Empty wt: 736
>> Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front
>> limit, cabanes vertical)
>> Runway elevation: 6840 ft.
>> Temp: 53F
>> Runway density alt: 8112 ft.
>> Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could
>> easily go higher)
>> Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172 and
>> .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon.
>> CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler).
>> Oil Pressure: mid 40s
>>
>>
>> Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias
>> of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing
>> is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even
>> with zero time in type).
>>
>> Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air
>> pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed.
>>
>> Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to all
>> my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch and
>> flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever
>> experience as everyone that has done it has said.
>>
>> One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol
>> fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video):
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU
>>
>> Thank again guys
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> 3D============================================
>> ">
>> 3D============================================
>> 3D============================================
>> 3D============================================
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rick's flight |
Rick, this inspired me to go do one more project. Mine will be forthright
just like yours.
Steve D
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Douwe, attached a picture, ready to fly, not so much a piece of
> art and engineering like yours. You are the Pietenpol renaissance man.
>
> Rick H
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Douwe Blumberg <
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Yay Rick!!! Way to go!
>>
>>
>>
>> Send in some pics of your plane, I don=92t think I=92ve seen her all
>> finished up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>> *
>>
>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.
com>
>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/
contribution>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <h
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
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>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
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Subject: | Re: Piet for sale |
Dave, I am not in the market but a photo would certainly help.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM, <kmordecai001@comcast.net> wrote:
> Fellow Pieters,
> I regretfully announce that I am selling NX520SF due to ongoing knee and
> leg issues. Only managed about 15 hours/year the last two years following
> a torn meniscus, surgery and a re-injury, followed by an injury to the
> other knee shortly afterwards. Now they tend to cramp up and need
> stretching after a few minutes seated in the plane, and there's not enough
> room for me to do that.
> This is John Ficklen's plane, completed in 2004, purchased by me in 2005,
> and has been kept in an insulated hangar at 2J0. 217 TTAF, never left out
> overnight, and looked after by an anal-retentive maintenance fanatic (me)
> who frets over a few bugs on the prop and promptly cleans them off after
> every flight. Continental A-75, 184 SMOH, chrome cylinders, standard
> dimensions (not ground undersize) flanged C85 crank, Real Gasket pushrod
> tubes (I can't tolerate oil leaks). Slick mags and harnesses. Except for
> the Hegy prop, it's all certified from the motor mount forward.
>
> The craftsmanship is superb. I never made it to Sun n Fun, but this would
> certainly have been a prize winner if I had.
>
> I was looking forward to flying the life out of this essentially
> new motor, but now will start trying on other planes for size and legroom.
> Listed it on Barnstormers last night. Includes the intercom, Icom radio,
> and GPS.
> https://www.barnstormers.com/listing_images.php?id=840784
>
> Feel free to email or call for more details or photos if you're
> interested. Asking $16,900, which is way less than I've got in it. (ain't
> that how it always works out?)
>
> Dave Mordecai
> 41 Monocoupe Circle
> Panacea, FL (2J0)
> 850-984-4856 home
> 850-891-5936 office
> 850-694-8235 cell
> kmordecai001@comcast.net
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | How Much Fabric? |
I am nowhere near ready to cover, but I am just trying to get my budget in order
for my build. I searched the Forum archives but did not find much, if any information
regarding how much fabric is used to cover the Air Camper. I did, however,
find this very old post. I have underlined and made bold the "punchline"
of the discussion. So If I am doing my math 6' X 135' = 90 square yards? Or
is it sold as 45 running yards of 6 foot wide fabric? Help!! -
"Date: Feb 29, 2000
From: Ken Beanlands
Subject: Re: Fabric expert needed
WOW, 7.8 oz fabric! You could cover the shuttle with that stuff
;-). Seriously though, 7.8 oz is way too heavy for aircraft use. I suspect
that it's sailcloth. Most piets are covered with 1.8 oz fabric and a few
with 2.7 oz. 3.7 oz is the heaviest used on aircraft and is reserved for
things like ag-planes, DC-3's etc, bellies and LG of lighter planes. By
the time you applied enoughchemical to seal the paint, it would be quite
heavy.
The other thing is that there is no way to tell if the fabric was
pre-shrunk at the factory or not. Aircraft fabric does not go through the
last polymerization cycle. That is left for after the fabric is installed
on the plane. This alows the builder to shrink the fabric using an
iron. If this is done at the factory, you'll never get a taught fabric job
onthe plane.
Besides, fabric is cheap. My Christavia used 45 yds of 102 (2.7 oz) and it
was only $6 per yard for a total of $270 and you can even get cheaper
stuff if you go with the non-certified stuff that ACS sells (same stuff,
different label). Considering that the rest of the covering systems
generally cost about $1700, I wouldn't scrimp on the fabric by using
something you have no data on. I'd try and find someone involved in
sailing and unload it with them. Besides, it takes 6' x 135' so your
52"x26'6" won't come anywhere near covering the plane.
Hope that helps.
Ken
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, drmeece wrote:
>
> Hello List
> I hope someone can help me out with some info. I have some cloth that
I
> would like to use to cover the Piet But I'm not sure it will work. The
only
> info I have is the lable on the box. It reads 52"x26'6" DB 7.8oz Fil NY
6.6
> >From this small amount of info can anyone tell if this cloth will work.
> Thank You
> Daryl Meece
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: Rick Holland Flies!!!!!!!!!!! |
Thank you Oscar.
A few comments on the first flight.
After reading everything I could find on the subject of test flying and
talking to ex-military and even a couple air show aerobatic pilots it came
down to two different philosophies:
1) Multiple fast taxies and crow hops prior to really doing a take off.
2) The ground is the enemy, test run the engine at full power for a full
two minutes then do a normal takeoff and get as much air between you and
the ground as possible.
Was still undecided until I went up for an hour with an air show pilot that
instructs in a Decathlon for some tailwheel time. He is an A&P and does all
the work on his own Edge 540, Pitts, and the Decathlon. He told me about
all the runs off the runway, serious bounces, and ground loops he has
witnessed by people testing new, repaired, and modified aircraft using
scenario #1. At that point I decided to do scenario #2.
I figured if the engine would run a full two minutes full power without
problems prior to the first takeoff it would probably run at least long
enough after lift-off to get me the altitude and airspeed to do at least a
straight ahead emergency landing if needed. And the only other thing I was
concerned about was a serious out of rig condition where I would have to
hold a bunch of side and/or fore/aft stick just to stay level.
(And as a side note - talking about out of rig conditions, the instructor
that I just went up with for two hours in a 172 for my first BFR renewal in
38 years told me about a student of his who just finished building a KR2
that he volunteered to test fly. He got it off the ground, it started a
left barrel roll even though he was holding full right stick and crashed
upside down on the side of the runway. Plane was demolished, he got out
with only a scratch. That was the last time he flew any experimental. He
strongly recommended scenario #1).
Anyhow I did a takeoff just like I did in the Decathlon, could tell as soon
as it left the ground that no out of rig condition existed, and from then
on I concentrated mostly on the engine gauges, climbed up to 9000 ft. over
the airport and actually had a great time (no cooling problems). Landing
was easier than landing the Decathlon since I didn't have an instructors
big fat head in front of me and I could see the instrument board. The Piet
flare felt very similar to the Decathlon flare (with two 200 lb. guys and
that symmetric wing, minimal float).
Rick H
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:17 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rick; my sincere congratulations to you for your successful first flight!.
> It is always inspiring to see yet another Piet take to the air, and it
> really looks like it was a beautiful day for the event. Decompress and
> give us some feedback on your sensations from the flight.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413183#413183
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: | Re: Rick's flight |
What would that new project be Steve? My next project will be a Panther
with yet another Corvair engine (3 liter this time), started looking for a
core engine right after my first test flight:
http://flywithspa.com/panther/pantherspecs.html
I really need something to do out in my garage besides working on cars.
Rick H
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>w
rote:
> Rick, this inspired me to go do one more project. Mine will be forthright
> just like yours.
> Steve D
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Douwe, attached a picture, ready to fly, not so much a piece o
f
>> art and engineering like yours. You are the Pietenpol renaissance man.
>>
>> Rick H
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Douwe Blumberg <
>> douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yay Rick!!! Way to go!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send in some pics of your plane, I don=92t think I=92ve seen her all
>>> finished up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Douwe
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks
.com>
>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
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Subject: | Re: Almost ten years later |
Steve
I said the Piet flight was the most exciting thing SINCE the sky dive, not
necessarily more exciting. It is a very different kind of excitement
(terror) though, the sky dive was static line so I was just like a bag of
cement being dropped from 3000 ft. my fate was totally in the hands of some
guy that packed the chute. With an airplane first flight you are in control
and your actions (reactions) mean everything.
rh
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>wrote:
> You must have forgotten how exciting that skydive was!!! Yahoo. Adrenaline
> junkies forever. Each flight is exciting. And first flights more so!
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Randy. That first flight was the most exciting thing I have
>> done since my first sky dive back in the 70s (but much more fun).
>>
>> Rick H
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Robert Bush <rbush96589@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations Rick, glad to see you in the air. Makes all those years
>>> of work worth it doesn't it?
>>> On another note, there is a good write up in the October issue of
>>> general aviation news on Greg Cardinal and Bob Poore and their piets.
>>> Randy Bush
>>> NX294RB
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on
>>> 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later.
>>>
>>> Some details:
>>>
>>> Engine: Corvair 2700 cc
>>> Prop: Tennessee 66x30
>>> Empty wt: 736
>>> Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front
>>> limit, cabanes vertical)
>>> Runway elevation: 6840 ft.
>>> Temp: 53F
>>> Runway density alt: 8112 ft.
>>> Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could
>>> easily go higher)
>>> Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172
>>> and .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon.
>>> CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler).
>>> Oil Pressure: mid 40s
>>>
>>>
>>> Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am bias
>>> of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that nothing
>>> is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land (even
>>> with zero time in type).
>>>
>>> Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air
>>> pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed.
>>>
>>> Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to
>>> all my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch
>>> and flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever
>>> experience as everyone that has done it has said.
>>>
>>> One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol
>>> fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video):
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU
>>>
>>> Thank again guys
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Holland
>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>> NX6819Z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> 3D============================================
>>> ">
>>> 3D============================================
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>>> 3D============================================
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: Rick's flight |
OOPs By project I mean, one more step on the way to flight with his Piet.
Having said that, I may do a Primary glider, or restore a model T, Or make
a Belly flopper. Then again I will be involved in getting my 1948 Vtail
Bonanza up and annualed again.
This Bonanza is really a kit plane that came assembled as a Beech Bonanza.
I have disassembled and reassembled most of the plane over 12 or so years.
A man needs a 4 seat cross country machine.
Of note, This old plane will fly on Autogas (But no alcohol) and gets about
18 MPG with 4 adults at 170MPH. Thus it is a great cross country except for
the maintenance of an old aircraft. My hope is that some current FAA
proposals will greatly lower the cost a old plane mantenance.
Experimentals forever.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> What would that new project be Steve? My next project will be a Panther
> with yet another Corvair engine (3 liter this time), started looking for
a
> core engine right after my first test flight:
>
> http://flywithspa.com/panther/pantherspecs.html
>
> I really need something to do out in my garage besides working on cars.
>
> Rick H
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>> Rick, this inspired me to go do one more project. Mine will be forthrigh
t
>> just like yours.
>> Steve D
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote
:
>>
>>> Thank you Douwe, attached a picture, ready to fly, not so much a piece
>>> of art and engineering like yours. You are the Pietenpol renaissance ma
n.
>>>
>>> Rick H
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Douwe Blumberg <
>>> douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yay Rick!!! Way to go!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send in some pics of your plane, I don=92t think I=92ve seen her all
>>>> finished up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Douwe
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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Subject: | Re: Almost ten years later |
My first "hop and pop" where I pulled the ripcord was pretty funny. The
instructor really drove home "I want to hear your count. "Arch one
thousand, Look One thousand, Reach One thousand, Pull one thousand."
When I let go of the Cessna Strut, I did the above count perfect and yelled
it very loud. However, before I finished yelling "Arch one thousand!" I had
my ripcord fully pulled and at arms length from my body. I continued the
count as though nothing was unusual. I would bet I was about 6 inches from
the strut when I pulled the ripcord. I did relax later over the next 495
jumps.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve
>
> I said the Piet flight was the most exciting thing SINCE the sky dive, not
> necessarily more exciting. It is a very different kind of excitement
> (terror) though, the sky dive was static line so I was just like a bag of
> cement being dropped from 3000 ft. my fate was totally in the hands of some
> guy that packed the chute. With an airplane first flight you are in control
> and your actions (reactions) mean everything.
>
> rh
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You must have forgotten how exciting that skydive was!!! Yahoo.
>> Adrenaline junkies forever. Each flight is exciting. And first flights more
>> so!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Randy. That first flight was the most exciting thing I have
>>> done since my first sky dive back in the 70s (but much more fun).
>>>
>>> Rick H
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Robert Bush <rbush96589@aol.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Congratulations Rick, glad to see you in the air. Makes all those years
>>>> of work worth it doesn't it?
>>>> On another note, there is a good write up in the October issue of
>>>> general aviation news on Greg Cardinal and Bob Poore and their piets.
>>>> Randy Bush
>>>> NX294RB
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ordered my Pietenpol plans on 10/28/2003 and it flew the first time on
>>>> 10/24/2013, four days short of ten years later.
>>>>
>>>> Some details:
>>>>
>>>> Engine: Corvair 2700 cc
>>>> Prop: Tennessee 66x30
>>>> Empty wt: 736
>>>> Flight test CG (half fuel): 16 1/4" aft of LE (1 1/4" back from front
>>>> limit, cabanes vertical)
>>>> Runway elevation: 6840 ft.
>>>> Temp: 53F
>>>> Runway density alt: 8112 ft.
>>>> Maneuvering altitude over airport: 9000 ft (10215 ft. DA, and could
>>>> easily go higher)
>>>> Total flight time in last 38 years prior to flight: 2 hrs dual in 172
>>>> and .9 hr of dual touch and goes in back seat of a Decathlon.
>>>> CHT: 370 F max on climb and 340 F at cruise (stock 12 plate cooler).
>>>> Oil Pressure: mid 40s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Flight went great. I have flown lots of spam cans and although I am
>>>> bias of course I have to agree with Mike C and Jack P when they say that
>>>> nothing is as much fun as flyin a Piet. Very easy to fly, takeoff and land
>>>> (even with zero time in type).
>>>>
>>>> Only change needed after flight - add front support for cowling (air
>>>> pressure pushed it against prop hub), flew hands off, no trim needed.
>>>>
>>>> Want to thank everyone on the forum (and WW) for providing answers to
>>>> all my stupid questions and moral support. Building a machine from scratch
>>>> and flying it is definitely one of the most memorable events you will ever
>>>> experience as everyone that has done it has said.
>>>>
>>>> One other thing I learned, putting a video camera on top of a Pietenpol
>>>> fin makes for a shaky video at full power (but it's better than no video):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLxFp0JLhU
>>>>
>>>> Thank again guys
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rick Holland
>>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>>> NX6819Z
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> 3D============================================
>>>> ">
>>>> 3D============================================
>>>> 3D============================================
>>>> 3D============================================
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Holland
>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>> NX6819Z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *
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Subject: | Re: How Much Fabric? |
Terry;
I have never covered a complete Air Camper, so I'm just going by information that
I found in my own search of the archives a few years ago when I was doing latex
paint testing. The writeup for those tests can be found here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html
You will notice that the section of text between the two images of the unfinished
test panel and the finished test panel lists 38 yards of 60" width fabric.
Again, since I have never covered a complete airplane I have no idea whether
this is accurate or not, and in any case it does not allow for any overhang, patches,
or wiggle room. Your mileage may vary. However, that adds up to 570
sq. ft. of fabric and the number that you mention in your post, 6' x 135', adds
up to 810 sq. ft. or about 40% more than the number that I had. Let's keep
this ball in play for awhile and see who else chimes in with recent covering experience
and quantity. Chris Rusch, Ken Bickers, and a few others should have
fresh info.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: How Much Fabric? |
I recently completed covering my Pietenpol. If all goes well, I may even
be able to finish painting it by Thanksgiving (except for the cowl and
nosebowl, which still await fabrication).
My original order of 37 yards of the 1.8 oz 72" wide uncertified ceconite
from Aircraft Spruce came up a few yards short. So I ended up ordering
another 5 yards of the same material. I used balsa to fair my diagonal
struts and jury struts and covered all of those with fabric. Otherwise,
the 37 yards would have been more than enough.
I bought all of the rest of my covering supplies from Stewart Systems.
That included 1 gallon and 1 quart of the glue, a gallon of fabric and
wood primer, a quart of the metal primer, a quart of the etching solution,
and miscellaneous other items. The SS quantities were spot on. I will end
up with small amounts of each item remaining, without the need for any
additional amounts.
Cheers, Ken
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Terry;
>
> I have never covered a complete Air Camper, so I'm just going by
> information that I found in my own search of the archives a few years ago
> when I was doing latex paint testing. The writeup for those tests can be
> found here:
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html
>
> You will notice that the section of text between the two images of the
> unfinished test panel and the finished test panel lists 38 yards of 60"
> width fabric. Again, since I have never covered a complete airplane I have
> no idea whether this is accurate or not, and in any case it does not allow
> for any overhang, patches, or wiggle room. Your mileage may vary.
> However, that adds up to 570 sq. ft. of fabric and the number that you
> mention in your post, 6' x 135', adds up to 810 sq. ft. or about 40% more
> than the number that I had. Let's keep this ball in play for awhile and
> see who else chimes in with recent covering experience and quantity. Chris
> Rusch, Ken Bickers, and a few others should have fresh info.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413261#413261
>
>
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Subject: | Re: How Much Fabric? |
if you get some free time read this=0A-=0Ajim=0A=0AFrom: taildrags <taild
rags@hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, Novem
ber 17, 2013 10:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How Much Fabric?=0A=0A
>=0A=0ATerry;=0A=0AI have never covered a complete Air Camper, so I'm just
going by information that I found in my own search of the archives a few ye
ars ago when I was doing latex paint testing.- The writeup for those test
s can be found here:=0Ahttp://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html=0A
=0AYou will notice that the section of text between the two images of the u
nfinished test panel and the finished test panel lists 38 yards of 60" widt
h fabric.- Again, since I have never covered a complete airplane I have n
o idea whether this is accurate or not, and in any case it does not allow f
or any overhang, patches, or wiggle room.- Your mileage may vary.- Howe
ver, that adds up to 570 sq. ft. of fabric and the number that you mention
in your post, 6' x 135', adds up to 810 sq. ft. or about 40% more than the
number that I had.- Let's keep this ball in play for awhile and see who e
lse chimes in with recent covering experience and quantity.- Chris Rusch,
Ken Bickers, and a few others should have fresh info.=0A=0A--------=0AOsca
r Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v
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Subject: | Re: How Much Fabric? |
... one correction. Stewart Systems sent me two gallons of the fabric
primer (EkoFill). I should end up with about a quart or so remaining.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> if you get some free time read this
>
> jim
>
> *From:* taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:28 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Re: How Much Fabric?
>
>
> Terry;
>
> I have never covered a complete Air Camper, so I'm just going by
> information that I found in my own search of the archives a few years ago
> when I was doing latex paint testing. The writeup for those tests can be
> found here:
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html
>
> You will notice that the section of text between the two images of the
> unfinished test panel and the finished test panel lists 38 yards of 60"
> width fabric. Again, since I have never covered a complete airplane I have
> no idea whether this is accurate or not, and in any case it does not allow
> for any overhang, patches, or wiggle room. Your mileage may vary.
> However, that adds up to 570 sq. ft. of fabric and the number that you
> mention in your post, 6' x 135', adds up to 810 sq. ft. or about 40% more
> than the number that I had. Let's keep this ball in play for awhile and
> see who else chimes in with recent covering experience and quantity. Chris
> Rusch, Ken Bickers, and a few others should have fresh info.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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Subject: | Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication |
Jake,
What a coincidence! This is exactly what I have been pondering the last few days
as I finish up the last few details on my fuselage. I am also using rudder
pedals and toe brakes. If I had stuck with Bernard's design, I would not have
this problem! That rudder horn looks pretty fragile if I ever really get on the
brakes in a panic stop (or more accurately, a panic slow down).
Mike, I am referencing Uncle Tony's tomes. I am leaning towards the two pulleys
and one cable connected from one pedal to the other. That way, the rudder cables
will stay in the same place as designed and undue stress will not be transferred
to the rudder horn.
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 10:19 PM, "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Your fuselage looks great.. Progressing well here. I have been laying out the
routes for the rudder cables. I am using pedals instead of the rudder bar so
I am positioning a "pivot bar" in the aft fuselage to take the loads when I may
push on both pedals at once - such as hard braking. This way the pivot bar takes
the stress and the cables back from there to the relatively delicate rudder,
rudder hinges, and rudder bar are a steady/lower tension.
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol S/N 1 |
Thanks, Gary. I had not seen this article. It is great.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:25 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Here=99s some nice Sunday morning reading, scanned and forwarded to m
e by my hangar neighbor. Most is history that we know of, but interesting th
at it comes from the Model T Club.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> From: Dennis Coulter [mailto:dennis.coulter@zetabroadband.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: Boothe, Gary
> Subject: Pietenpol S/N 1
>
> Gary, I hope you and Pietenpol guys find this as interesting as I did.
>
> Dennis
>
> <T-powered Pietenpol SN-1.pdf>
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