---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/18/13: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:30 AM - Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:38 AM - It Sounds Too Good To Be True, But... (jarheadpilot82) 2. 04:21 AM - Re: How Much Fabric? (Jerry Dotson) 3. 05:02 AM - fuselage gussets (aviken) 4. 05:40 AM - Re: Prop carving (AircamperN11MS) 5. 05:44 AM - Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication (aerocarjake) 6. 06:35 AM - Re: How Much Fabric? (dgaldrich) 7. 07:20 AM - For those not on my Facebook page (Gary Boothe) 8. 07:59 AM - Re: Prop carving (bdewenter) 9. 08:03 AM - Re: fuselage gussets (bdewenter) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: complicated mock up (bdewenter) 11. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication (Ray Krause) 12. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Prop carving (Amsafetyc) 13. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Prop carving (Steven Dortch) 14. 09:29 AM - Re: For those not on my Facebook page (John Francis) 15. 09:38 AM - Re: For those not on my Facebook page (Jack) 16. 09:52 AM - Re: Prop carving (womenfly2) 17. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Prop carving (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 18. 11:03 AM - Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication (aerocarjake) 19. 01:31 PM - Re: For those not on my Facebook page (Gary Boothe) 20. 03:08 PM - Re: For those not on my Facebook page (Jim Boyer) 21. 03:21 PM - Re: For those not on my Facebook page (Gary Boothe) 22. 03:21 PM - Re: For those not on my Facebook page (Ken Bickers) 23. 03:33 PM - Re: FAA Part 23 rewrite (bdewenter) 24. 03:48 PM - Re: For those not on my Facebook page (Gary Boothe) 25. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Prop carving (danhelsper@aol.com) 26. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication (Ray Krause) 27. 08:41 PM - Re: How Much Fabric? (taildrags) 28. 08:58 PM - Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication (aerocarjake) 29. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: How Much Fabric? (Ken Bickers) 30. 10:32 PM - Re: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:35 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! Dear Listers, The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 25%. We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues on the kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums! Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too. Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List and Forums Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: It Sounds Too Good To Be True, But... From: "jarheadpilot82" You never know. Saw this Sale of an A65 motor linked on another forum. Somebody may want to call and check on it. http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/for/4184434853.html -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413350#413350 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How Much Fabric? From: "Jerry Dotson" Terry I bought 45 yards and had just a little left. I figure that was perfect. There is enough to cover a control surface or two. I used the 2.7 oz non certified. It was 62" wide. Worked out great. I asked what the difference was between certified and non-certified. The salesman said not much except the width. He said "They both come from the same shipping address." -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413351#413351 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage gussets From: "aviken" This may have been talked to death in the past, but I checked the search function and didn't find my answer. I ordered some long pieces of ply after reading the reprint of the 1929 glider manual instructions. according to what I read the side gussets were 3/32 and the long gusset was also 3/32 thick... Now I read my plans and it shows 1/8 thick. Have I screwed the pooch here? Hope I don't have useless 2' by 8' pieces of expensive plywood. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413353#413353 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving From: "AircamperN11MS" Well good morning John, It has been awhile since I have seen your name pop up. If I told you that I will be right over to help you, would you start tinkering with the plane before I got there? Wish I didn't live so far away from you. The 3000 miles gets in the way of any physical help I could offer. I'll bet that if you did go out to the airport and finished it, your knees would instantly feel better, at least enough to go flying. I know it is getting cold there already. Do you have a heater in the hangar? I'll bet you could finish it in time for Brodhead. Wouldn't that be great? Anyway, good to hear from you. Hope you can get through your slump. Happy holidays and ask Santa for a white scarf and goggles for Christmas. That may be all it takes. Happy Landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413355#413355 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication From: "aerocarjake" Yes, seems like Bernard's design is the simplest and anything else just gets a bit more complex.... I'll post photos of my pivot bar sometime soon. It's a particularly busy week here for me so we'll see when I can get to it..... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413357#413357 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How Much Fabric? From: "dgaldrich" Hi Terry You need at least 24 yards of the 72 inch wide stuff to do the wings the easy way. The narrower fabric won't give you enough overlap on the leading and trailing edges if you want to put one sheet on the top and one on the bottom. You could always run the pieces perpendicular to the spars (one loop joined at the trailing edge) and hide the lap joint at a rib with the rib lacing and pinked tape if you had no other choice but the 60 inch wide stuff. The air doesn't care. 45 yards total sounds about right and allows for at least one serious oops. In deference to debris kicked up by tires and prop, you might consider using the heavier weight cloth for the bottom of the fuselage and maybe the horizontal stab/elevator. Since you didn't ask, I recommend the Stewart system and get their DVDs. Makes the job much easier. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413359#413359 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:01 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page http://youtu.be/wldGpjeVepo There is a King Air that flies skydivers from this airport (runway is 6,000'), and often flies opposite of the traffic as it enables him to get up and back far quicker. I don't have a radio, so I miss out on all his transmissions, though I know he announces all his goings and comings. 35 seconds into this clip, you will see me glance off to my right, as I see him peel off to his left, at about 50', to avoid me. Whew!! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving From: "bdewenter" Watch out for Dan...He's a four-blader Mary Beth danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote: > John, > > Here is some visual motivation for you my good friend. Time to put-on the Carhartz, get back over to the hangar and fire-up the chainsaw. If you make a mistake, just make the same one on the opposite side.....no worries! Next thing you know its gonna be spring and you can test her out! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > > > -- -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413362#413362 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuselage gussets From: "bdewenter" If you are worried, about 1/32" (and I would not) perhaps make then a tad larger (deeper not wider) or use them as is and add lightness. My .02 -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413363#413363 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: complicated mock up From: "bdewenter" To keep a little shoulder room consider keeping the rear seat bay a full 24" wide, then allow the fuse to taper AFTER the rear seat. I did and I think it give the girl a real nice look. aviken wrote: > Hi fellows, please don't laugh too hard at my complex mock-up. Just wanted to confirm that I would fit... I do touch a little at the shoulders, but I don't think that will be a game changer . I really want to stay with the plans but what do ya'll think? Well I guess the first thing I need to learn is how to post a picture here , sorry. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413364#413364 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:57 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication Thanks, Jake. Must be nice living at an air museum! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:44 AM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > > Yes, seems like Bernard's design is the simplest and anything else just gets a bit more complex.... I'll post photos of my pivot bar sometime soon. It's a particularly busy week here for me so we'll see when I can get to it..... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413357#413357 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving From: Amsafetyc Scott, Working 7 days s week and trying to work with severe back pain really puts a crimp in ones airplane building schedule. Unfortunately I'm not permitted a heater or anything With open flame according to the airport manager. Makes for colder work periods as much as I would like to work more and hurt less it's been a struggle biting cold doesn't help anything. Oh well! It's been progressively gettin worse since last December. If I could improve the back some is be building again. I got a year left if I concentrate hard on the finish line and 2 1/2 at a typical build pace which I would prefer. Obviously time and cash play s big part of the build process I live in great hope of one day flying my build to Brodhead and taking my place among my friends, whom I've admired their builds . Right now want to build just not sure of what's Be well and fly safe John Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:39 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Well good morning John, > > It has been awhile since I have seen your name pop up. If I told you that I will be right over to help you, would you start tinkering with the plane before I got there? > > Wish I didn't live so far away from you. The 3000 miles gets in the way of any physical help I could offer. I'll bet that if you did go out to the airport and finished it, your knees would instantly feel better, at least enough to go flying. > > I know it is getting cold there already. Do you have a heater in the hangar? I'll bet you could finish it in time for Brodhead. Wouldn't that be great? > > Anyway, good to hear from you. Hope you can get through your slump. Happy holidays and ask Santa for a white scarf and goggles for Christmas. That may be all it takes. > > Happy Landings, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413355#413355 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving From: Steven Dortch John, I am great at being the "Good Idea Fairy!" Here is some advice from my working on my planes in NW Oklahoma (near the North pole) (Ths advice is free and may not be worth it.) For the heat, Try insulated boots. I used to have a pair of German fleece lined boots that had a styrofoam like insulation in the sole. Perfect for standing guard on concrete in the German winter. (Worthless for walking anywhere) Also Take a look at heated floor mats. They seem to run from $70 to $179. You can move them to where you are working. If I can keep my feet and ears warm that is more than half of the battle. A heat lamp on the parts you are going to work on I don't know the particulars on your back, but I have a lot of old infantryman back experience. I really suggest you see if some physical therapy will help. Build (or buy) you some stools at various heights. Also look at a kneeling chair. Shoes with various lifts work for some people. Don't forget you are the CEO of your body and know what you can do and when you are overdoing it. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Amsafetyc wrote: > > Scott, > > Working 7 days s week and trying to work with severe back pain really puts > a crimp in ones airplane building schedule. Unfortunately I'm not permitted > a heater or anything > With open flame according to the airport manager. Makes for colder work > periods as much as I would like to work more and hurt less it's been a > struggle biting cold doesn't help anything. Oh well! It's been > progressively gettin worse since last December. If I could improve the back > some is be building again. > > I got a year left if I concentrate hard on the finish line and 2 1/2 at a > typical build pace which I would prefer. Obviously time and cash play s big > part of the build process > > I live in great hope of one day flying my build to Brodhead and taking my > place among my friends, whom I've admired their builds . > > Right now want to build just not sure of what's > > > Be well and fly safe > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:39 AM, "AircamperN11MS" > wrote: > > > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > > > Well good morning John, > > > > It has been awhile since I have seen your name pop up. If I told you > that I will be right over to help you, would you start tinkering with the > plane before I got there? > > > > Wish I didn't live so far away from you. The 3000 miles gets in the way > of any physical help I could offer. I'll bet that if you did go out to the > airport and finished it, your knees would instantly feel better, at least > enough to go flying. > > > > I know it is getting cold there already. Do you have a heater in the > hangar? I'll bet you could finish it in time for Brodhead. Wouldn't that > be great? > > > > Anyway, good to hear from you. Hope you can get through your slump. > Happy holidays and ask Santa for a white scarf and goggles for Christmas. > That may be all it takes. > > > > Happy Landings, > > > > -------- > > Scott Liefeld > > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > > Steel Tube > > C-85-12 > > Wire Wheels > > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413355#413355 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For those not on my Facebook page From: "John Francis" Oh Gary, that Corvair sounds sooo smooooth! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413370#413370 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page From: Jack Gary great video and flawless landing! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > http://youtu.be/wldGpjeVepo > > There is a King Air that flies skydivers from this airport (runway is 6,00 0=99), and often flies opposite of the traffic as it enables him to ge t up and back far quicker. I don=99t have a radio, so I miss out on al l his transmissions, though I know he announces all his goings and comings. > > 35 seconds into this clip, you will see me glance off to my right, as I se e him peel off to his left, at about 50=99, to avoid me. Whew!! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving From: "womenfly2" Just curious, what engine is the 4-bladed prop for? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413373#413373 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:37 AM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving A snowmobile suit will keep you warm nearly anywhere, maybe too warm. I bid on two separate ones on ebay years ago and got them both for less than $50 each. Those thick wool socks like they sell at Bass Pro will keep your feet warm too. Capilene underwear goes a long way and is very comfortable. With capilene underwear, fleece outer layer and a snowmobile suit you could stand well below freezing weather and strong winds also. What has been working for me and I say "for me" before anyone jumps in to start flaming me is stretching. I put one foot up on the commode and hold onto the shower door, lean forward while breathing and stretch my hamstring. Then I do the same on the other one. After that I try to bend over and touch my toes. Never been able to touch them yet in the last 60 yrs. Used to have horrible lower back pain from off position bending and lifting things and this is the only thing that works for me. When I feel a kink coming I stretch and then an hour later do it again until it stops. Joining scrounge dawgs and helping work on the group pietenpol project is a tremendous motivator for me along with learning things to do and a lot of not to dos. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Amsafetyc Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving Scott, Working 7 days s week and trying to work with severe back pain really puts a crimp in ones airplane building schedule. Unfortunately I'm not permitted a heater or anything With open flame according to the airport manager. Makes for colder work periods as much as I would like to work more and hurt less it's been a struggle biting cold doesn't help anything. Oh well! It's been progressively gettin worse since last December. If I could improve the back some is be building again. I got a year left if I concentrate hard on the finish line and 2 1/2 at a typical build pace which I would prefer. Obviously time and cash play s big part of the build process I live in great hope of one day flying my build to Brodhead and taking my place among my friends, whom I've admired their builds . Right now want to build just not sure of what's Be well and fly safe John Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:39 AM, "AircamperN11MS" > wrote: > > > > Well good morning John, > > It has been awhile since I have seen your name pop up. If I told you that > I will be right over to help you, would you start tinkering with the plane > before I got there? > > Wish I didn't live so far away from you. The 3000 miles gets in the way > of any physical help I could offer. I'll bet that if you did go out to > the airport and finished it, your knees would instantly feel better, at > least enough to go flying. > > I know it is getting cold there already. Do you have a heater in the > hangar? I'll bet you could finish it in time for Brodhead. Wouldn't that > be great? > > Anyway, good to hear from you. Hope you can get through your slump. > Happy holidays and ask Santa for a white scarf and goggles for Christmas. > That may be all it takes. > > Happy Landings, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413355#413355 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication From: "aerocarjake" Thanks... It's really just my decor - but I strive for it to look like an air museum. Here are a couple shots....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413375#413375 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/nwam_wall_comp_650.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/nwam_spaceflight_display_comp_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:04 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page Thanks, Jack. I am amazed at the difference with the new tail wheel! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page Gary great video and flawless landing! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: http://youtu.be/wldGpjeVepo There is a King Air that flies skydivers from this airport (runway is 6,000=99), and often flies opposite of the traffic as it enables him to get up and back far quicker. I don=99t have a radio, so I miss out on all his transmissions, though I know he announces all his goings and comings. 35 seconds into this clip, you will see me glance off to my right, as I see him peel off to his left, at about 50=99, to avoid me. Whew!! Gary Boothe NX308MB ========= ctric.com >www.buildersbooks.com uilthelp.com otstore.com matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:21 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page Hi Gary, I enjoyed seeing the video and wish I were making more progress. Do be care ful around that King Air; thats a lot bigger and faster and I don't want to see it hurt a Piet. Spam can pilots can get complacent about watching for other traffic. Cheers, Jim =C2- PS I am trying to get to good scard joints for the leading edge of my left wing =C2- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:02 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page Right, Jim! I think I would end up just like one of the many bugs on his leading edge! Fortunately, he=99s a very good pilot and looks out for the rest of us! Good luck with the scarf joints! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page Hi Gary, I enjoyed seeing the video and wish I were making more progress. Do be careful around that King Air; thats a lot bigger and faster and I don't want to see it hurt a Piet. Spam can pilots can get complacent about watching for other traffic. Cheers, Jim PS I am trying to get to good scard joints for the leading edge of my left wing 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page From: Ken Bickers Gary, I concur with Jim. We have a very active skydive operation at my home airport. Those pilots seem to be unable to see anyone unless they are talking on the radio or causing blips on the skydive TCAS, and even then sometimes have troubles seeing other traffic. And they often define their own traffic patterns. I'd suggest getting a radio, at least for the times when you are in the traffic pattern. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Hi Gary, > I enjoyed seeing the video and wish I were making more progress. Do be > careful around that King Air; thats a lot bigger and faster and I don't > want to see it hurt a Piet. Spam can pilots can get complacent about > watching for other traffic. > Cheers, > Jim > > PS I am trying to get to good scard joints for the leading edge of my left > wing > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Part 23 rewrite From: "bdewenter" Steve could be an other world alien perhaps, as he is using 'alien' terms such as prop pitch change bearing ...what is this mysterious thing? Should we sacrifice a GN-1? -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413395#413395 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:04 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page Do doubt about it, Ken!...but I was in a guy's hangar yesterday, and his radio was turned on. I asked what airport he was listening to, because of all the chatter.it was ours!! One guy was even giving others permission to land ahead of him!! Oh, I wish I had been in the pattern at that minute.he'd be screaming is bloody head off at me.and me not hearing a word!!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those not on my Facebook page Gary, I concur with Jim. We have a very active skydive operation at my home airport. Those pilots seem to be unable to see anyone unless they are talking on the radio or causing blips on the skydive TCAS, and even then sometimes have troubles seeing other traffic. And they often define their own traffic patterns. I'd suggest getting a radio, at least for the times when you are in the traffic pattern. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: Hi Gary, I enjoyed seeing the video and wish I were making more progress. Do be careful around that King Air; thats a lot bigger and faster and I don't want to see it hurt a Piet. Spam can pilots can get complacent about watching for other traffic. Cheers, Jim PS I am trying to get to good scard joints for the leading edge of my left wing 3D=========================3 D=================== 3D=========================3 D=================== 3D=========================3 D=================== 3D=========================3 D=================== ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving From: danhelsper@aol.com P & W R-4360. But it may be too much prop for it. We'll see. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: womenfly2 Sent: Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:55 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving Just curious, what engine is the 4-bladed prop for? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413373#413373 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:54 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication Way too cool, wish I could visit sometime, where are you located? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > > Thanks... It's really just my decor - but I strive for it to look like an air museum. Here are a couple shots....... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413375#413375 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/nwam_wall_comp_650.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/nwam_spaceflight_display_comp_144.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How Much Fabric? From: "taildrags" I have a couple of useless and snide comments about this, and then one personal observation about the fabric "weight". Useless and snide comment to Ken Bickers: do you realize what you get when you multiply 37 yards x 3 ft. to the yard x 6 ft. wide? Are you sure you want to fly that thing? ;o) Useless and snide comment to Jerry regarding certified and non-certified fabrics both coming from the same shipping address: the Chevy Malibu ($20,000) and the Cadillac ELR ($75,000) come from the same plant in Michigan ;o) And a personal observation on fabric weight, not to be argumentative but simply to throw in my (somewhat limited) personal experience: Scout is covered with Poly-Fiber "uncertified light", which I believe is 1.87 oz/sq.yd. I have operated the airplane off of grass, dirt, turf, and of course asphalt and concrete with plenty of gravel and debris to be thrown around. Although the airplane has gotten plenty dirty, oily, and nasty, I have never found any damage to the fabric anywhere on the airplane from FOD or anything else. In fact, it takes a pretty determined effort to punch through it if you're not using a knife or something with a sharp edge. I've found plenty of paint chipping and wearing on the lower landing gear legs, spring struts, tailwheel and spring, but no visible damage to the fabric. If I were to recover the aircraft for whatever reason, I would go with the lightweight fabric again and just patch it if I ever had a cut or tear to repair. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413410#413410 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication From: "aerocarjake" Near Seattle... fine Piet-ple always welcome.....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413411#413411 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How Much Fabric? From: Ken Bickers oh dear, Oscar. I hadn't done the math. Fortunately, I added another 5 yards, which takes the total from the dreaded and no doubt possessed 666 to 756. Though given all of the wastage, who knows, it might actually be in that danger zone. I guess I'll just have to live on the edge and take my chances flying the thing. The real question is why you are doing math calculations on things like this. You clearly need a hobby -- maybe flying or building. On a more serious note, it is interesting what all of this weighs. Were there no wastage, the total weight of the uncertified 1.8 oz fabric would be just under 9 1/2 lbs. Given the large sections that had to be cut off, I'm guessing the fabric itself weighed somewhere in the 8 lb range. Tapes, gussets, thread, and glue would add a few more pounds, perhaps doubling the total weight to somewhere in the range of 16 lbs for the whole airplane. Even if this is off by a few pounds, it is still impressive how light fabric covering is. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM, taildrags wrote: > > I have a couple of useless and snide comments about this, and then one > personal observation about the fabric "weight". Useless and snide comment > to Ken Bickers: do you realize what you get when you multiply 37 yards x 3 > ft. to the yard x 6 ft. wide? Are you sure you want to fly that thing? ;o) > > Useless and snide comment to Jerry regarding certified and non-certified > fabrics both coming from the same shipping address: the Chevy Malibu > ($20,000) and the Cadillac ELR ($75,000) come from the same plant in > Michigan ;o) > > And a personal observation on fabric weight, not to be argumentative but > simply to throw in my (somewhat limited) personal experience: Scout is > covered with Poly-Fiber "uncertified light", which I believe is 1.87 > oz/sq.yd. I have operated the airplane off of grass, dirt, turf, and of > course asphalt and concrete with plenty of gravel and debris to be thrown > around. Although the airplane has gotten plenty dirty, oily, and nasty, I > have never found any damage to the fabric anywhere on the airplane from FOD > or anything else. In fact, it takes a pretty determined effort to punch > through it if you're not using a knife or something with a sharp edge. > I've found plenty of paint chipping and wearing on the lower landing gear > legs, spring struts, tailwheel and spring, but no visible damage to the > fabric. If I were to recover the aircraft for whatever reason, I would go > with the lightweight fabric again and just patch it if I ever had a cut or > tear to repair. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413410#413410 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:19 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Tube Fuselage Passenger Door Fabrication I have a grand daughter at the University of Portland, not too far away, we will be visiting her sometime. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:58 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > > Near Seattle... fine Piet-ple always welcome.....! > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413411#413411 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.