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0. 12:30 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:36 AM - Re: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 03:44 AM - Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question (Michael Perez)
3. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day (Jack)
4. 04:23 AM - Re: Prop carving (womenfly2)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question (airlion2@gmail.com)
6. 06:02 AM - Re: welder (womenfly2)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: Mike Weaver - slow day (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
8. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day (Gary Boothe)
9. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day (Michael Perez)
10. 07:08 AM - steel tube builder directory (nightmare)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: steel tube builder directory (aerocarjake)
12. 07:29 AM - Re: steel tube builder directory (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
13. 08:18 AM - Re: steel tube builder directory (Steven Dortch)
14. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day (Jim Boyer)
15. 09:40 AM - Re: steel tube builder directory (nightmare)
16. 09:56 AM - Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question (Jack Phillips)
17. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: steel tube builder directory (Jack)
18. 10:27 AM - Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question (AircamperN11MS)
19. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: steel tube builder directory (Gary Boothe)
20. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question (Marcus Zechini)
21. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day ()
22. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day (Jim Boyer)
23. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: steel tube builder directory (Steven Dortch)
24. 11:01 PM - Re: steel tube builder directory (biplan53)
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| Subject: | Value of the List... |
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
This stuff reminds me of when I was recovering my Champ back in 1976. Had t
he wing roped to the ceiling....and one side gave way. Wingtip came down wi
th a crash and cracked the spar............AARRRRG!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 3:48 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day
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I'm getting a lot more done with the fuselage overhead.
$9 Harbor Freight bicycle lift good for 100lbs.
Current stage only weighs 50lbs.
Only takes about 30 seconds for one person to move it out of the way for th
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wife's car.
I think I'd rather have a couple of nearby builders to help.
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Curt Merdan
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| Subject: | Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question |
Grant, welcome aboard.
Not knowing your tool availability, location to local usable aircraft lumber, finances,
skill...
another couple alternatives would be to 1) buy new longer spars and cut up the
existing ones for various other plane parts or 2) buy bulk wood, cut your own
longer spars and use the existing ones for various other plane parts. I had purchased
wing spars with one of the four rather suspect, so I purchased another.
I cut up the "bad" spar into various other parts...I believe mostly fuselage
cross members.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
Curt I have two of these for our bikes, why didn't I think of that!
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
curtdm(at)gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day
<curtdm@gmail.com>
I'm getting a lot more done with the fuselage overhead.
$9 Harbor Freight bicycle lift good for 100lbs.
Current stage only weighs 50lbs.
Only takes about 30 seconds for one person to move it out of the way for the
wife's car.
I think I'd rather have a couple of nearby builders to help.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Prop carving |
danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:
> P & W R-4360. But it may be too much prop for it. We'll see.
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> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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.... really. [Rolling Eyes]
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| Subject: | Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question |
Bob, the. Big Piet builders used 3 sets per wing. Gardiner
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> On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com> wrote:
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spacing (per say). I am considering slightly expanding wing span and using
3 sets of cross brace wires per wing - more X than stock plans. Just don't glue
or nail anything until you have dry fitted the ribs to the spars relative to
the X wires - and that goes for anyone regardless of wing span or how many brace
wires are used...
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Buy a TIG welder or a set of gas torches. Do not even think of this product.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
Oscar,
I totally agree with your formula on the relationship between work done and visitors.
But it's been a long time since I've had a visitor stop by and even ask what I'm
building in my garage.
I think a lot of neighbors gave up on me because I wasn't making much visible progress.
Things have changed.
New insulated hanger(garage) door for the hot summers.
Hoist for fuselage so I have more floor area.
Added more shelving for storage.
Wife got a job as a Stewardess at AA.
Finally got my drill press to work better.
Got past my fear of cutting, gluing, welding a piece wrong.
If anyone is coming through Dallas, y'all are welcome.
I'll even come pick you up from your hotel/airport like so many on this list have
done with me.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
As Curt will testify, I give visitors the worst jobs (ie: safety wiring the oil
pan, full rpm runups). That tests their resolve to visit and weeds out the useless...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtdm(at)gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day
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Oscar,
I totally agree with your formula on the relationship between work done and visitors.
But it's been a long time since I've had a visitor stop by and even ask what I'm
building in my garage.
I think a lot of neighbors gave up on me because I wasn't making much visible progress.
Things have changed.
New insulated hanger(garage) door for the hot summers.
Hoist for fuselage so I have more floor area.
Added more shelving for storage.
Wife got a job as a Stewardess at AA.
Finally got my drill press to work better.
Got past my fear of cutting, gluing, welding a piece wrong.
If anyone is coming through Dallas, y'all are welcome.
I'll even come pick you up from your hotel/airport like so many on this list have
done with me.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
I had the privilege of having Curt stop over to check out my plane in progress
about a year or so ago. A real gentleman and I am glad to have met him. I say
this because I am of the type that likes to work alone and prefer to do so. I
also am the type to not say much about what I am working on because I don't want
to come across as bragging or showing off. Although Curt and I did not work
on anything during his short visit, it was very satisfying to talk with someone,
outside of immediate family and friends, who is a "plane guy" and also a
builder/pilot.
I don't think my neighbors even know that I am building a plane. We all get along
great, but we all mind our own business as well. Again, since I tend to be
a private person and really don't talk much about what I am up to, I don't expect
them to know what is going on in my shop. (that will all change if I decide
to do my initial engine run in the driveway.)
As curt said, anyone in the area is free to stop over my pace to chat...just don't
expect to work on anything...
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | steel tube builder directory |
I thought it might be useful to start a directory here of fellow steel tube Piet
builders/owners so that we may ask eachother questions directly if needed. There
is less info and folks available to ask those numerous stupid questions to.
Not to mention those contemplating steel over wood.
Im learning as im going, but feel free to ask away.
Paul Donahue. Fuselage mostly completed , welding nut tabs now.
pauldonahuepilotatyahoodotcom
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
building the steel-tube version.... (full disclosure: hiring out the welding)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
Paul,
Forward your information to Jack Textor and he'll add you to the Piet Directory.
You can sort the directory by city, state, fuse type, engine type, occupation.
There is a lot of expertise in different fields in this group from beer drinking
to building. Some are great at both.
I'll be giving you a shout the next time I layover in PBI. Hope to see your project!
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
Paul, I am not building a steel tube. But I enjoy reading about your
projects, I don't feel that your discussions are a distraction for this
list.
Indeed didn't Mr. P. build a steel tube Piet?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:08 AM, nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
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> I thought it might be useful to start a directory here of fellow steel
> tube Piet builders/owners so that we may ask eachother questions directly
> if needed. There is less info and folks available to ask those numerous
> stupid questions to. Not to mention those contemplating steel over wood.
> Im learning as im going, but feel free to ask away.
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> Paul Donahue. Fuselage mostly completed , welding nut tabs now.
> pauldonahuepilotatyahoodotcom
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
Thanks Curt, it looked like it was a pretty nice setup; did wonder about a
100 lb bicycle though since my 18 gear job was only 7.5 lbs.
Thanks,
Jim B.
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
Thanks Curt, was not aware of a piet directory. Do you have a link?
I was scouring through west coast piet for steel tube pics.
Give a call or text on next pbi layover. What airline do you work for.
954-six one two-seven zero six sevn.
I am a little hesitant posting steel tube progress with a very small amount
of like builders. But mostly wanted to compile a list so fellow tube heads know
who they can contact with a question.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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| Subject: | Started Construction - Spar Length Question |
Hi Grant,
Welcome to the world of Pietenpol building!
I wouldn't recommend building a clipped-wing Pietenpol. It needs more wing
area if anything, rather than less. As for increasing the width of the
center section, that can be done (I made mine 36" wide to accommodate more
fuel) but be aware that such a change tends to ripple through the entire
project, and you are entering the realm of aircraft designer rather than
just aircraft builder.
My advice would be to bite the bullet and order the proper sized spar
material. Savannah is close enough to Wicks Aircraft Supply that you could
drive there to pick up the wood to avoid shipping charges.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grantz5906
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Started Construction - Spar Length Question
I have finally started construction of my Pietenpol after a year of lurking
on the list and finishing other projects. I am looking forward to the
project and participating in the list discussions. I have already gained a
volume of useful information from this group. Thanks!!
I purchased several spruce planks from another Piet builder who indicated it
was enough wood to build a complete aircraft. As luck would have it, upon
measuring the spar pieces, I discovered that they were only
12'- 6" long vice the required 13'-2.5" long. Would it be problematic to
increase the width of the center section (I had planned on a 36" center
section - per Bill Rewey) an additional 18" to achieve the correct total
spar span of 29'-5"? OR Would it be a great loss to keep the center
section at 36" and the outer panel spars at 12'-6" (for a total spar span of
28') and not worry about the loss of 1'-5" of span?
Thanks for the assistance.
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
Paul I will send you the form when I get home
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:40 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Curt, was not aware of a piet directory. Do you have a link?
> I was scouring through west coast piet for steel tube pics.
> Give a call or text on next pbi layover. What airline do you work for.
> 954-six one two-seven zero six sevn.
> I am a little hesitant posting steel tube progress with a very small amount
of like builders. But mostly wanted to compile a list so fellow tube heads know
who they can contact with a question.
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> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question |
Welcome aboard,
I like the idea of scarfing them. It is the least expensive way to do it. Just
make sure the the scarf joints are at the wing tips. This way you only need
to purchase 8 feet of spar material or perhaps you already have enough with the
supply you purchased?
Oh, I only have a 27 foot wing span and wish it where 29 feet per plans.
Happy building,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
Paul,
I have very little interest in steel tube...never did. But I have access to
a great tool....[DELETE]! Who knows, you may inspire some converts...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel tube builder directory
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Thanks Curt, was not aware of a piet directory. Do you have a link?
I was scouring through west coast piet for steel tube pics.
Give a call or text on next pbi layover. What airline do you work for.
954-six one two-seven zero six sevn.
I am a little hesitant posting steel tube progress with a very small
amount of like builders. But mostly wanted to compile a list so fellow tube
heads know who they can contact with a question.
--------
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Started Construction - Spar Length Question |
My GN-1 has clipped Piper Cub wings...ailerons nearly whole span.
Just another choice.....
-Zeke
NX431LA
C-85-12
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:26 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>wrote:
> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
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> Welcome aboard,
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> I like the idea of scarfing them. It is the least expensive way to do it.
> Just make sure the the scarf joints are at the wing tips. This way you
> only need to purchase 8 feet of spar material or perhaps you already have
> enough with the supply you purchased?
>
> Oh, I only have a 27 foot wing span and wish it where 29 feet per plans.
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> Happy building,
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
Jim,
I sure hope you don=99t do your Weight and Balance with that
scale.
My velodrome-only bike, with no gears at all, nor brakes neither, weighs
17 LB.
Mike Hardaway
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Weaver - slow day
Thanks Curt, it looked like it was a pretty nice setup; did wonder about
a 100 lb bicycle though since my 18 gear job was only 7.5 lbs.
Thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Weaver - slow day |
Hi Mike,
I probably dropped an order of magnitude. I know it wasn't over 20 pounds t
hough; but then again I sold it in 1992?
Maybe I could lift it so well cause I was 21 years younger? Use to ride eve
ry day to work and=C2- back all year around. That was before knee joint r
eplacement, etc.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
Please send me the Piet directory link as well. I guess I have to join the
Piets Anonimous.
Also, I am not working on a steel frame but I enjoy learning from your
discussions on the steel Piets. Don't feel bad to share with the group.
"Hi, my name is Steve and I am working on a spruce Pieten-Grega!"
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM, nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks Curt, was not aware of a piet directory. Do you have a link?
> I was scouring through west coast piet for steel tube pics.
> Give a call or text on next pbi layover. What airline do you work for.
> 954-six one two-seven zero six sevn.
> I am a little hesitant posting steel tube progress with a very small
> amount of like builders. But mostly wanted to compile a list so fellow tube
> heads know who they can contact with a question.
>
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> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube builder directory |
I am building a steel tube Piet. I know what you mean about looking for pictures
of steel tube planes. It seems that Jake has put more pictures out than most
builders have. I am trying to build build a mount for an AC fiberglass seat.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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