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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? (jarheadpilot82)
2. 06:41 AM - to flop or not to flop... (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Don Emch)
4. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Ray Krause)
5. 10:11 AM - Re: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? (Steven Dortch)
6. 02:17 PM - Re: to flop or not to flop... (danhelsper@aol.com)
7. 02:26 PM - Re: to flop or not to flop... (danhelsper@aol.com)
8. 08:12 PM - Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (taildrags)
9. 11:46 PM - floppity flop (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? |
Oscar,
I understand that. What I was asking was the width of each leaf, each separate
section. Is each leaf 1 inch, 1-1/2, or 2 inches, for example.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | to flop or not to flop... |
IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea to let it protrude
into the wing root on the side you like to "mount" from. This way, when
it's open, there is more of a "hole" for your head.
I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUT I've not tried
to get into one without, so my opinion isn't worth a lot.
ALSO. if you build one, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engine and once I gun
it to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don't have a mechanical stop so the
hinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so is being "pried" off by
the leverage. I had to tighten the screws a few times and make a mod there,
but biggest mod being to remember to CLOSE THE FLOP!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question |
Dan... Reason enough alone to flop!
Cliff... I hear ya. I'm 41 and I no longer think guys are crazy that complain
all the time about stiffness.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question |
Sure wish I were 41, but then I would still be working, not playing with my t
oys! Gee, 30 years younger! Can't even remember all the things I could do th
en, probably better that way.
My flop on SkyScout is just as wide as the center section, a mistake. On the
plans it is wider, but more complicated to build. Wish I would have followe
d the plans more closely. Bernard was only about 30 when he designed it, wha
t a smart, forward looking guy!
Ray Krause
SkyScout coming along..
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> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:19 AM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? |
Terry do it in Lexan so you can see through it! Or perhaps you could put a
cubby hole in it for gloves.
I am just full of great ideas;+}
Steve D
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:28 AM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
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> Okay, you convinced me to do the Flop. It really did not take much to
> convince me. Thanks to John Hoffman and his input especially since he has
> the real world experience of having to put up without a large flop every
> time he flies.
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> So how big is the hinge? By that I mean, how wide is each leaf and how
> thick?
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> Thanks.
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> Semper Fi,
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> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: to flop or not to flop... |
If I had a nickel every time I forgot to close that dang thing...........
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 12:53 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop...
IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea tolet it protrude i
nto the wing root on the side you like to =9Cmount=9Dfrom. Thi
s way, when it=99s open, there is more of a =9Chole=9Dfor
your head.
I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUTI=99ve not
tried to get into one without, so my opinion isn=99t worth alot.
ALSO if you build one, and I=99m sure I=99mnot alone i
n this
I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engineand once I gun
it to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don=99t have amechanical sto
p so the hinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so isbeing
=9Cpried=9D off by the leverage. I had to tighten thescrews a few ti
mes and make a mod there, but biggest mod being to remember toCLOSE THE FLO
P!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: to flop or not to flop... |
Here is a photo of my flop. Note the extra bay width on the left side only.
At the time I had a hinged, hold-open arm on the right side but abandon th
at idea (too complicated). Note the extra storage inside the wing (stole th
at idea from the Top Curmudgeon). Ultimately fabricated a clear lexan panel
inside there to protect the pulley's/cables and to make inspection easier.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: danhelsper <danhelsper@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop...
If I had a nickel every time I forgot to close that dang thing...........
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 12:53 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop...
IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea tolet it protrude i
nto the wing root on the side you like to =9Cmount=9Dfrom. Thi
s way, when it=99s open, there is more of a =9Chole=9Dfor
your head.
I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUTI=99ve not
tried to get into one without, so my opinion isn=99t worth alot.
ALSO if you build one, and I=99m sure I=99mnot alone i
n this
I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engineand once I gun
it to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don=99t have amechanical sto
p so the hinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so isbeing
=9Cpried=9D off by the leverage. I had to tighten thescrews a few ti
mes and make a mod there, but biggest mod being to remember toCLOSE THE FLO
P!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question |
Terry; the hinge straps on my flop are 3/4" wide. Now, take a look at the attached
picture of the hinges that I replaced and note a few things NOT to do. (1)
don't countersink the screws... there is no need to, and it really weakens
the material; (2) keep the holes away from the edge, because as I and others have
noted, the flop can flop and when it does, the metal gets stressed at the
screw holes.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Alright, you made me do it. My flop. The open
areas will be covered both sides with lexan.
And yes, I've sat a piece of it in a bottle of
fuel for days with absolutely no effect.
Clif
Happiness is a dry head and a wet tank.
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