---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/24/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? (jarheadpilot82) 2. 06:41 AM - to flop or not to flop... (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 09:19 AM - Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Don Emch) 4. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Ray Krause) 5. 10:11 AM - Re: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? (Steven Dortch) 6. 02:17 PM - Re: to flop or not to flop... (danhelsper@aol.com) 7. 02:26 PM - Re: to flop or not to flop... (danhelsper@aol.com) 8. 08:12 PM - Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (taildrags) 9. 11:46 PM - floppity flop (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? From: "jarheadpilot82" Oscar, I understand that. What I was asking was the width of each leaf, each separate section. Is each leaf 1 inch, 1-1/2, or 2 inches, for example. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413912#413912 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:49 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop... IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea to let it protrude into the wing root on the side you like to "mount" from. This way, when it's open, there is more of a "hole" for your head. I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUT I've not tried to get into one without, so my opinion isn't worth a lot. ALSO. if you build one, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engine and once I gun it to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don't have a mechanical stop so the hinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so is being "pried" off by the leverage. I had to tighten the screws a few times and make a mod there, but biggest mod being to remember to CLOSE THE FLOP! Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question From: "Don Emch" Dan... Reason enough alone to flop! Cliff... I hear ya. I'm 41 and I no longer think guys are crazy that complain all the time about stiffness. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413925#413925 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:17 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question Sure wish I were 41, but then I would still be working, not playing with my t oys! Gee, 30 years younger! Can't even remember all the things I could do th en, probably better that way. My flop on SkyScout is just as wide as the center section, a mistake. On the plans it is wider, but more complicated to build. Wish I would have followe d the plans more closely. Bernard was only about 30 when he designed it, wha t a smart, forward looking guy! Ray Krause SkyScout coming along.. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:19 AM, "Don Emch" wrote: > > > Dan... Reason enough alone to flop! > > Cliff... I hear ya. I'm 41 and I no longer think guys are crazy that comp lain all the time about stiffness. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413925#413925 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Okay, I am Convinced. So How Big Is the Hinge? From: Steven Dortch Terry do it in Lexan so you can see through it! Or perhaps you could put a cubby hole in it for gloves. I am just full of great ideas;+} Steve D On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:28 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > Okay, you convinced me to do the Flop. It really did not take much to > convince me. Thanks to John Hoffman and his input especially since he has > the real world experience of having to put up without a large flop every > time he flies. > > So how big is the hinge? By that I mean, how wide is each leaf and how > thick? > > Thanks. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413864#413864 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop... From: danhelsper@aol.com If I had a nickel every time I forgot to close that dang thing........... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 12:53 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop... IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea tolet it protrude i nto the wing root on the side you like to =9Cmount=9Dfrom. Thi s way, when it=99s open, there is more of a =9Chole=9Dfor your head. I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUTI=99ve not tried to get into one without, so my opinion isn=99t worth alot. ALSO if you build one, and I=99m sure I=99mnot alone i n this I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engineand once I gun it to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don=99t have amechanical sto p so the hinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so isbeing =9Cpried=9D off by the leverage. I had to tighten thescrews a few ti mes and make a mod there, but biggest mod being to remember toCLOSE THE FLO P! Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop... From: danhelsper@aol.com Here is a photo of my flop. Note the extra bay width on the left side only. At the time I had a hinged, hold-open arm on the right side but abandon th at idea (too complicated). Note the extra storage inside the wing (stole th at idea from the Top Curmudgeon). Ultimately fabricated a clear lexan panel inside there to protect the pulley's/cables and to make inspection easier. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: danhelsper Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop... If I had a nickel every time I forgot to close that dang thing........... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 12:53 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: to flop or not to flop... IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea tolet it protrude i nto the wing root on the side you like to =9Cmount=9Dfrom. Thi s way, when it=99s open, there is more of a =9Chole=9Dfor your head. I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUTI=99ve not tried to get into one without, so my opinion isn=99t worth alot. ALSO if you build one, and I=99m sure I=99mnot alone i n this I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engineand once I gun it to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don=99t have amechanical sto p so the hinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so isbeing =9Cpried=9D off by the leverage. I had to tighten thescrews a few ti mes and make a mod there, but biggest mod being to remember toCLOSE THE FLO P! Douwe _blank">www.aeroelectric.com " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com ank">www.mrrace.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question From: "taildrags" Terry; the hinge straps on my flop are 3/4" wide. Now, take a look at the attached picture of the hinges that I replaced and note a few things NOT to do. (1) don't countersink the screws... there is no need to, and it really weakens the material; (2) keep the holes away from the edge, because as I and others have noted, the flop can flop and when it does, the metal gets stressed at the screw holes. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413958#413958 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flophings_216.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:57 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: floppity flop Alright, you made me do it. My flop. The open areas will be covered both sides with lexan. And yes, I've sat a piece of it in a bottle of fuel for days with absolutely no effect. Clif Happiness is a dry head and a wet tank. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.