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0. 12:50 AM - Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:24 AM - Re: Re: floppity flop (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:49 AM - Re: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Jack)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (jim hyde)
4. 06:40 AM - flop latch (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Ryan Mueller)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Ryan Mueller)
7. 07:47 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (giacummo)
8. 07:48 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Max Hegler)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Dick N)
10. 08:57 AM - Jim's Hyde (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Kip and Beth Gardner)
12. 10:06 AM - Re: flop latch (taildrags)
13. 10:26 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (taildrags)
14. 10:37 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (jim hyde)
15. 10:40 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (jim hyde)
16. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Ray Krause)
17. 11:07 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Matt Dralle)
18. 11:11 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (cessna7226g@aol.com)
19. 11:12 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Ryan Mueller)
20. 11:20 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (echobravo4)
21. 12:09 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Dan Yocum)
22. 12:41 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Bill Church)
23. 12:51 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (echobravo4)
24. 12:57 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Mario Giacummo)
25. 01:02 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Glen Schweizer)
26. 01:11 PM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
27. 04:02 PM - Lets all cool off (bdewenter)
28. 05:33 PM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (dgaldrich)
29. 06:40 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (jorge lizarraga)
30. 06:55 PM - Re: Lets all cool off (Keith)
31. 09:34 PM - Plans... Where to start? (At30West)
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| Subject: | Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... |
[Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a very
nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a very insightful
piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of the Lists for
the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He gladly agreed, and so
below I have included the text from that message. Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics
Email List and Forum Administrator]
"As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial
details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago.
The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really
flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of
my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out
of touch.
After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as
to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . .
I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B
would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and
ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to
contemplate.
The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and
maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often
go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply
because we're unaware of their significance.
I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written
in 1958 titled "I pencil". See:
http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj
It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of
unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited
uncountable windows of opportunity for what has
been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales
of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's
essay is to examine two features of the human experience that
contribute to the success of this List and our various interests
in airplanes.
The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know
the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials
and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the
top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time,
talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never
know.
Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance
of the criticality for any single component for a host
of materials and components for the manufacture and
sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose
any one of the materials or processes described in Read's
essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact
the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to
exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How
might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the
economy of our existence?"
The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure
for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails
cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands
on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose
from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free-
market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of
this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that
this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are
risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an
intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind
his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware.
Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on
his way to Wichita some morning.
Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things
like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet
highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to
the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or
maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes
herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal
needs for existence.
Several times a year I get an opportunity to
plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens.
One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line
at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and
hear somebody in line complaining about the
wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a
much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having
to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business
to encourage them to be open tomorrow.
It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the
talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what
Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals
who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . .
certainly many more make up the population of subscribers
to all of the Lists on Matronics.
A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials
and tribulations over the naming of his products . . .
seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan'
and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List
perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with
several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense
fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's
operations now than it takes to stand in a line for
a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils.
You and I can have no more positive influence over the
manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue
to purchase such things and encourage those with the
time, talent and resources to continue doing what they
do best.
Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this
service which is probably more valuable than we know.
Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics
Lists can make a big difference.
Bob . . ."
Please take a minute to make your Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: floppity flop |
There will be. Haven't gone there yet. Every time
you turn around there's ANOTHER damn detail
you haven't taken care of.......yet! :-)
Of course the other reason is that the wing panels
aren't on yet so there's nothing to latch to.
Clif
> Clif, Is there a latch that holds the flop down?
> John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question |
Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for?
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the
Question
Sure wish I were 41, but then I would still be working, not playing with my
toys! Gee, 30 years younger! Can't even remember all the things I could do
then, probably better that way.
My flop on SkyScout is just as wide as the center section, a mistake. On the
plans it is wider, but more complicated to build. Wish I would have followed
the plans more closely. Bernard was only about 30 when he designed it, what
a smart, forward looking guy!
Ray Krause
SkyScout coming along..
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| Subject: | Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... |
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS MA
TT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP?- MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A PIETENP
OL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND I SURE
DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED.=0A-=0AJIM HYDE=0A=0AFrom: Matt Dral
le <dralle@matronics.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesd
ay, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airpl
anes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]...=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message
posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>=0A=0A[Dear Listers, last week
, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a very nice message discuss
ing the Lists and Forums at Matronics.- It is a very insightful piece and
I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of the Lists for the other m
embers to enjoy and contemplate as well.- He gladly agreed, and so below
I have included the text from that message.- Enjoy.- -Matt Dralle, Matr
onics Email List and Forum Administrator]=0A=0A"As most of you know, Matt's
ISP was fiddling with some crucial =0Adetails for the exchange of data on
the 'net a few weeks ago. =0AThe Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElect
ric.com got really =0Aflakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of
three of =0Amy e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out
=0Aof touch. =0A=0AAfter two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea
as =0Ato root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . =0AI be
gan to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B =0Awould have entailed s
eeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and =0Aancillary services. NOT a qui
ck, inexpensive or happy thing to =0Acontemplate. =0A=0AThe time talents an
d resources that go into fabrication and =0Amaintenance of some of the 'sim
plest' features of our lives often =0Ago unnoticed . . . not because they'r
e unappreciated . . . but simply =0Abecause we're unaware of their signific
ance. =0A=0AI will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read writ
ten =0Ain 1958 titled "I pencil". See: =0A=0A- - http://tinyurl.com/me3
q3hj=0A=0AIt's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of =0Auna
cquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited =0Auncountable windows
of opportunity for what has =0Abeen called "spontaneous order" in the manu
facture and sales =0Aof the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Rea
d's =0Aessay is to examine two features of the human experience that =0Acon
tribute to the success of this List and our various interests =0Ain airplan
es. =0A=0AThe first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know =0Athe mi
llions of individuals who contributed to the materials =0Aand infrastructur
e that make this List possible. We sit at the =0Atop of a pyramid of work-p
roduct derived from the time, =0Atalents and resources of millions of peopl
e who we'll never =0Aknow. =0A=0AAnother feature I'd like to emphasis is ou
r ignorance =0Aof the criticality for any single component for a host =0Aof
materials and components for the manufacture and =0Asales of a simple penc
il or an affordable airplane. Suppose =0Aany one of the materials or proces
ses described in Read's =0Aessay were simply unavailable. How would that im
pact =0Athe price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to =0Aexist a
t it's new price? The really big question is, "How =0Amight some seemingly
small loss ripple throughout the =0Aeconomy of our existence?" =0A=0AThe ti
me, talent and resources that support infrastructure =0Afor this List, my w
ebsite, Matt's website, and our e-mails =0Acannot be accurately known. That
infrastructure stands =0Aon an exceedingly complex array of activities tha
t arose =0Afrom the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- =0Amark
et enterprises. But from our perch at the top of =0Athis pyramid we need on
ly look down a few layers and see that =0Athis resource upon which we depen
d is vulnerable. There are =0Arisks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-bo
ned in an =0Aintersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind
=0Ahis facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware. =0AYours truly
could take a deer through the windshield on =0Ahis way to Wichita some morn
ing. =0A=0AOther risks are less catastrophic. They include things =0Alike a
mateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet =0Ahighway's potholes. P
erhaps some material critical to =0Athe manufacture of terabyte hard drives
dries up. Or =0Amaybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes =0Ah
erded become more than Matt can justify given his personal =0Aneeds for exi
stence. =0A=0ASeveral times a year I get an opportunity to =0Aplant new see
ds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. =0AOne of my favorites is to
be standing in a long line =0Aat Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and
coffee and =0Ahear somebody in line complaining about the =0Await. I sugges
t to them that to wait in line for a =0Amuch desired product is a GOOD thin
g. Not having =0Ato wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business =0A
to encourage them to be open tomorrow. =0A=0AIt goes without saying that fe
w, if any of us, possess the =0Atalents, resources or motivation to step up
and do what =0AMatt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals
=0Awho subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . =0Acertainly many m
ore make up the population of subscribers =0Ato all of the Lists on Matroni
cs. =0A=0AA few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials =0Aand tribul
ations over the naming of his products . . . =0Aseems somebody claimed owne
rship of the words 'scan' =0Aand/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElec
tric-List =0Aperceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with =0Aseve
ral thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense =0Afund. We need make
no greater 'investment' in Matt's =0Aoperations now than it takes to stand
in a line for =0Aa Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils.
=0A=0AYou and I can have no more positive influence over the =0Amanufacture
of pencils and hard drives than to continue =0Ato purchase such things and
encourage those with the =0Atime, talent and resources to continue doing w
hat they =0Ado best. =0A=0ALet's contribute to the comfortable maintenance
of this =0Aservice which is probably more valuable than we know. =0AJust a
little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics =0ALists can make a big di
fference. =0A=0ABob . . ."=0A=0A=0A=0APlease take a minute to make your Con
tribution today:=0A=0A- - - - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
=0A=0AOr, drop a personal check in the mail to: =0A=0A- - - - Matt
Dralle / Matronics =0A- - - - 581 Jeannie Way =0A- - - - Li
vermore CA 94550=0A- - - - USA=0A=0AThank you for your support! =0A
=0AMatt Dralle =0AMatronics Email List and Forum Administrator=0A=0A=0A=0A_
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Yes, there should be some sort of latch to keep the flop down. Without it,
it'll "flop" around while taxiing pretty badly, especially on rough
surfaces, and will raise up an inch or two during flight. Lots of latches
have been used, and they all work fine.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... |
Always good to put a face on a profane rant:
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:24 AM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS
> MATT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A
> PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND
> I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED.
>
> JIM HYDE
>
> *From:* Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From
> AeroElectric-List]...
>
>
> [Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a
> very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a
> very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of
> the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He
> gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message.
> Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator]
>
> "As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial
> details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago.
> The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really
> flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of
> my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out
> of touch.
>
> After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as
> to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . .
> I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B
> would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and
> ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to
> contemplate.
>
> The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and
> maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often
> go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply
> because we're unaware of their significance.
>
> I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written
> in 1958 titled "I pencil". See:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj
>
> It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of
> unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited
> uncountable windows of opportunity for what has
> been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales
> of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's
> essay is to examine two features of the human experience that
> contribute to the success of this List and our various interests
> in airplanes.
>
> The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know
> the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials
> and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the
> top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time,
> talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never
> know.
>
> Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance
> of the criticality for any single component for a host
> of materials and components for the manufacture and
> sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose
> any one of the materials or processes described in Read's
> essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact
> the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to
> exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How
> might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the
> economy of our existence?"
>
> The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure
> for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails
> cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands
> on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose
> from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free-
> market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of
> this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that
> this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are
> risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an
> intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind
> his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware.
> Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on
> his way to Wichita some morning.
>
> Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things
> like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet
> highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to
> the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or
> maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes
> herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal
> needs for existence.
>
> Several times a year I get an opportunity to
> plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens.
> One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line
> at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and
> hear somebody in line complaining about the
> wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a
> much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having
> to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business
> to encourage them to be open tomorrow.
>
> It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the
> talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what
> Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals
> who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . .
> certainly many more make up the population of subscribers
> to all of the Lists on Matronics.
>
> A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials
> and tribulations over the naming of his products . . .
> seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan'
> and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List
> perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with
> several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense
> fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's
> operations now than it takes to stand in a line for
> a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils.
>
> You and I can have no more positive influence over the
> manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue
> to purchase such things and encourage those with the
> time, talent and resources to continue doing what they
> do best.
>
> Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this
> service which is probably more valuable than we know.
> Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics
> Lists can make a big difference.
>
> Bob . . ."
>
>
> Please take a minute to make your Contribution today:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
> USA
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List and Forum = (And Get Some AWESOME FREE
> Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>
> http://forums.matronics.com/
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... |
My bad, accidentally sent that too soon. As I was saying, always good to
put a face on a profane rant:
http://www.colemannews.com/?p=19011
May we interest you in a CAPS Lock key, or some medication? At the very
least, this might come in handy:
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20077917-285/disabling-the-caps-lock-key-on-windows-7/
do not archive
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:24 AM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS
> MATT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A
> PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND
> I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED.
>
> JIM HYDE
>
> *From:* Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From
> AeroElectric-List]...
>
>
> [Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a
> very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a
> very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of
> the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He
> gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message.
> Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator]
>
> "As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial
> details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago.
> The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really
> flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of
> my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out
> of touch.
>
> After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as
> to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . .
> I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B
> would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and
> ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to
> contemplate.
>
> The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and
> maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often
> go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply
> because we're unaware of their significance.
>
> I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written
> in 1958 titled "I pencil". See:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj
>
> It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of
> unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited
> uncountable windows of opportunity for what has
> been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales
> of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's
> essay is to examine two features of the human experience that
> contribute to the success of this List and our various interests
> in airplanes.
>
> The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know
> the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials
> and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the
> top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time,
> talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never
> know.
>
> Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance
> of the criticality for any single component for a host
> of materials and components for the manufacture and
> sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose
> any one of the materials or processes described in Read's
> essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact
> the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to
> exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How
> might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the
> economy of our existence?"
>
> The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure
> for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails
> cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands
> on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose
> from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free-
> market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of
> this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that
> this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are
> risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an
> intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind
> his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware.
> Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on
> his way to Wichita some morning.
>
> Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things
> like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet
> highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to
> the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or
> maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes
> herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal
> needs for existence.
>
> Several times a year I get an opportunity to
> plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens.
> One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line
> at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and
> hear somebody in line complaining about the
> wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a
> much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having
> to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business
> to encourage them to be open tomorrow.
>
> It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the
> talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what
> Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals
> who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . .
> certainly many more make up the population of subscribers
> to all of the Lists on Matronics.
>
> A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials
> and tribulations over the naming of his products . . .
> seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan'
> and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List
> perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with
> several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense
> fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's
> operations now than it takes to stand in a line for
> a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils.
>
> You and I can have no more positive influence over the
> manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue
> to purchase such things and encourage those with the
> time, talent and resources to continue doing what they
> do best.
>
> Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this
> service which is probably more valuable than we know.
> Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics
> Lists can make a big difference.
>
> Bob . . ."
>
>
> Please take a minute to make your Contribution today:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
> USA
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List and Forum = (And Get Some AWESOME FREE
> Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>
> http://forums.matronics.com/
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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My english is so so, but, did I understand well what branifman wrote?
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Jim=2C
Since you asked so nicely=2C Matt Dralle is the person that built the Piete
npol list that all of us use to get information to each other about buildin
g Pietenpols and other types of aircraft on other user lists. He is knows h
ow to put together a computer network and secure the Internet Service Provi
der (ISP) to keep it running smoothly. Not an easy or inexpensive task. He
provides the equipment and pays for the ISP and does not charge for his ser
vice. No one has to pay him anything. However=2C since is is so expensive t
o operate=2C he does have a fundraiser in November to help defer expenses.
Since I am on several of his users groups=2C I am happy to donate. I know t
here are many who just want to build a Pietenpol and don't care where they
get the information and that is okay. Most of us find the list to be a grea
t way to avoid making mistakes and ending up as a safety statistic...
Max
From: jnl96@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectr
ic-List]...
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS MA
TT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A PIETENPOL
I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND I SURE DO
NT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED.=0A
=0A
JIM HYDE=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday=2C November 26=2C 2013 2:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-L
ist]...
=0A
[Dear Listers=2C last week=2C Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame=2C post
ed a very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is
a very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest
of the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He gl
adly agreed=2C and so below I have included the text from that message. En
joy. -Matt Dralle=2C Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator]
"As most of you know=2C Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial
details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago.
The Lists=2C Matt's business site=2C and AeroElectric.com got really
flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of
my e-mail services for several days.=0A
Out of business and out
of touch.
After two days=2C I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as
to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . .
I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course=2C plan-B
would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and
ancillary services. NOT a quick=2C inexpensive or happy thing to
contemplate.
The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and
maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often
go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply
because we're unaware of their significance.
I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written
in 1958 titled "I pencil". See:
http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj
It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of
unacquainted=2C self-interested=0A
individuals who exploited
uncountable windows of opportunity for what has
been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales
of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's
essay is to examine two features of the human experience that
contribute to the success of this List and our various interests
in airplanes.
The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know
the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials
and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the
top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time=2C
talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never
know.
Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance
of the criticality for any single component for a host
of materials and components for the manufacture and
sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose
any one of the materials or=0A
processes described in Read's
essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact
the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to
exist at it's new price? The really big question is=2C "How
might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the
economy of our existence?"
The time=2C talent and resources that support infrastructure
for this List=2C my website=2C Matt's website=2C and our e-mails
cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands
on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose
from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free-
market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of
this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that
this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are
risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an
intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind
his facility and do catastrophic damage=0A
to the hardware.
Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on
his way to Wichita some morning.
Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things
like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet
highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to
the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or
maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes
herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal
needs for existence.
Several times a year I get an opportunity to
plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens.
One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line
at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and
hear somebody in line complaining about the
wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a
much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having
to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business
to encourage=0A
them to be open tomorrow.
It goes without saying that few=2C if any of us=2C possess the
talents=2C resources or motivation to step up and do what
Matt does. At last count=2C there were about 1600 individuals
who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . .
certainly many more make up the population of subscribers
to all of the Lists on Matronics.
A few years back=2C Matt was besieged by legal trials
and tribulations over the naming of his products . . .
seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan'
and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List
perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with
several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense
fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's
operations now than it takes to stand in a line for
a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils.
You and I can have no more positive influence over the=0A
manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue
to purchase such things and encourage those with the
time=2C talent and resources to continue doing what they
do best.
Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this
service which is probably more valuable than we know.
Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics
Lists can make a big difference.
Bob . . ."
Please take a minute to make your Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or=2C drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum=0A
= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.m
atronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com/
=0A
=0A
=0A
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I will happily remember your name and this post and NOT respond to any
of your posts.
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: jim hyde
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From
AeroElectric-List]...
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK
IS MATT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A
PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT
AND I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED.
JIM HYDE
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From
AeroElectric-List]...
<dralle@matronics.com>
[Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame,
posted a very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics.
It is a very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to
the rest of the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as
well. He gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that
message. Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum
Administrator]
"As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial
details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago.
The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really
flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of
my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out
of touch.
After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as
to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . .
I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B
would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and
ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to
contemplate.
The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and
maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often
go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply
because we're unaware of their significance.
I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written
in 1958 titled "I pencil". See:
http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj
It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of
unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited
uncountable windows of opportunity for what has
been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales
of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's
essay is to examine two features of the human experience that
contribute to the success of this List and our various interests
in airplanes.
The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know
the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials
and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the
top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time,
talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never
know.
Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance
of the criticality for any single component for a host
of materials and components for the manufacture and
sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose
any one of the materials or processes described in Read's
essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact
the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to
exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How
might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the
economy of our existence?"
The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure
for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails
cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands
on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose
from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free-
market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of
this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that
this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are
risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an
intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind
his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware.
Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on
his way to Wichita some morning.
Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things
like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet
highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to
the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or
maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes
herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal
needs for existence.
Several times a year I get an opportunity to
plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens.
One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line
at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and
hear somebody in line complaining about the
wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a
much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having
to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business
to encourage them to be open tomorrow.
It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the
talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what
Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals
who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . .
certainly many more make up the population of subscribers
to all of the Lists on Matronics.
A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials
and tribulations over the naming of his products . . .
seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan'
and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List
perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with
several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense
fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's
operations now than it takes to stand in a line for
a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils.
You and I can have no more positive influence over the
manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue
to purchase such things and encourage those with the
time, talent and resources to continue doing what they
do best.
Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this
service which is probably more valuable than we know.
Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics
Lists can make a big difference.
Bob . . ."
Please take a minute to make your Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum = (And Get Some AWESOME FREE
Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.matronics.com/"
target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com/
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I'm guessing that Matt Dralle won't be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hy
de this year or Bob Nuckolls.
I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for hi
s eloquent all-caps post.
As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to y
ou all!
Mike C. in Ohio
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Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will
reassert himself at some point.
On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> I=92m guessing that Matt Dralle won=92t be getting a Christmas card
from
> Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.
>
> I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list
> for his eloquent all-caps post.
>
> As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed
> Thanksgiving to you all!
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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As usual, opinions will vary. Scout had latches for the flop but I never latched
them. The flop never bounces while taxiing (at least not that I ever noticed),
and it never lifts in flight... but then again I can't remember ever going
inverted or pulling negative Gs. I removed the latches, which were simple brass
slides from the hardware store, but it is undoubtedly more secure to latch
the flop.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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For as long as I've been on this list (15 years-?), this is the first time I can
remember seeing that type of outburst from anyone on the Piet list. I know
tempers have flared from time to time and people have come and gone for various
reasons, but by and large this is a very decent and emotionally stable group.
I know some irascible builders though, and that doesn't detract from their skills,
ingenuity, or enthusiasm for the Pietenpol. So, let's don't tack Jim's hide
to the wall just yet, please.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me
e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graha
m.=C2-=C2- I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address
and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no int
erest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this
site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street Gle
ndale, az=C2- and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail
, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted
time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be banne
d? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what little m
oney I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to
a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work.=0A=C2-=0Aji
m hyde=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gard
ner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:=0A =0AHopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. J
ekyll somewhere in his makeup that will reassert himself at some point.=0A
=0A=0AOn Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Part
ners, LLC] wrote:=0A=0AI=99m guessing that Matt Dralle won=99t
be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.=0A>=C2
-=0A>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list
for his eloquent all-caps post.=0A>=C2-=0A>As for the rest of you Infide
ls,=C2-=C2- A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to you all!=0A>=C2-
=0A>Mike C. in Ohio=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-do not archive=0A=0Astyle
="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com=0Ahref
="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: un
derline; ">www.buildersbooks.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: u
nderline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline; ">www.mrrace.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: underl
ine; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0Ahref="http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: under
line; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ablue; text-deco
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who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e m
ails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you hav
e any idea who he is?=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, ji
m hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A =0AI have no idea who this matt guy is.
all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be l
ike a jesus freak guy like a bill graham.=C2-=C2- I don't appreciate so
me panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im just build
ing a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else. who is this
guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I bought cam
e from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az=C2- and I didn't care wh
ere he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to
do with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been used build
ing a second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get in
fo on building the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the f
ucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a penci
l ill steal it from work.=0A=C2-=0Ajim hyde=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, Novemb
er 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote
:=0A =0AHopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that w
ill reassert himself at some point.=0A=0A=0AOn Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, C
uy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:=0A=0AI=99m gu
essing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas card from Jim
Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.=0A>=C2-=0A>I also would assume that Matt
has already removed Jim from this list for his eloquent all-caps post.=0A>
=C2-=0A>As for the rest of you Infidels,=C2-=C2- A very Happy & Bless
ed Thanksgiving to you all!=0A>=C2-=0A>Mike C. in Ohio=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2
-=0A>=C2-do not archive=0A=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: und
erline; ">www.aeroelectric.com=0Ahref="http://www.buildersbooks.com" styl
e="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com=0Asty
le="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com=0Ast
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yle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrace.com=0Astyle=
"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contri
bution=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style
="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Nav
igator?Pietenpol-List=0Ablue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.m
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| Subject: | Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question |
Jack,
Thanks for the good word, but it may not be deserved.
The cut out is to get at the rudder pedals and brake linkages. There is no way
I will be able to get to them from the cockpit. There is a nice SS cover secured
by the ever-present aircraft hinges. I figure there should be enough room behind/below
the engine to get in there. If not, the engine is only secured by
four bolts! With no electrical, there's not many wires to remove.
We will see if the hatch was a waste of time.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:48 AM, "Jack" <jack@textors.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for?
>
> Jack Textor
> West Des Moines, IA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:31 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the
> Question
>
> Sure wish I were 41, but then I would still be working, not playing with my
> toys! Gee, 30 years younger! Can't even remember all the things I could do
> then, probably better that way.
>
> My flop on SkyScout is just as wide as the center section, a mistake. On the
> plans it is wider, but more complicated to build. Wish I would have followed
> the plans more closely. Bernard was only about 30 when he designed it, what
> a smart, forward looking guy!
>
> Ray Krause
> SkyScout coming along..
>
>
>
>
>
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Jim,
Please tone down your outbursts. They are really quite unprofessional,
childish, unwarranted, and border on offensive.
I have had a List Fund Raiser every year for the last 15+ years and I have
promoted it in exactly the same way each year during the month of November.
It's nothing new. It's simply my way of funding the operation.
Below is an excerpt from the Pietenpol-List FAQ page,
<http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ>http://www.matron
ics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ
Please refrain from profanity and personal attacks against me, or anyone
else for that matter, on the List. Further indiscretion will require
permanent blocking of your email address from posting.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it
members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely
voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and
obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There
are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 10:39 AM 11/26/2013 Tuesday, you wrote:
>who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e
mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you
have any idea who he is?
>
>
>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me
e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill
graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and
asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no interest
in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site?
the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale,
az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read
it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that
could have been used building a second wing. why would I be banned? all im
doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what little money I
have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a
pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work.
>
>jim hyde
>
>
>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will
reassert himself at some point.
>
>On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC] wrote:
>
>>I=99m guessing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas
card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.
>>
>>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for
his eloquent all-caps post.
>>
>>As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to
you all!
>>
>>Mike C. in Ohio
>>
>>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Right on! Keep up the good work
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde
Jim,
Please tone down your outbursts. They are really quiteunprofessional, chil
dish, unwarranted, and border on offensive.
I have had a List Fund Raiser every year for the last 15+ years and Ihave p
romoted it in exactly the same way each year during the month ofNovember.
It's nothing new. It's simply my way of funding theoperation.
Below is an excerpt from thePietenpol-List FAQpage,
http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ
Please refrain from profanity and personal attacks against me, or anyoneels
e for that matter, on the List. Further indiscretion willrequire permanent
blocking of your email address from posting.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the supportof it member
s.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or anyother form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or theList web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where,throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount withwhich they
are comfortable.
I will often offer freegifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The giftsare usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operationof the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internetconnection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partiallyoffset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, anddeveloping the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and arecompletely volunta
ry
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoysthe Lists and obtai
ns
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equalmagnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and ifyou've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you'vesettled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listedbelow. There a
re
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard,PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make aContribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 10:39 AM 11/26/2013 Tuesday, you wrote:
who is this pencil salesman andit aint no outburst. if you got as many e ma
ils from this guy asking formoney you would be sick of him to. do you have
any idea who heis?
On Tuesday, November 26, 201312:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know isthat he keeps sending me
e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesusfreak guy like a bill graham.
I don't appreciate somepanhandler finding my e mail address and asking f
or money. im justbuilding a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any t
hing else. whois this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last
pencils Ibought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az and I
didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it andit h
as nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that couldhave bee
n used building a second wing. why would I be banned? all imdoing is on her
e to get info on building the plane. what little money Ihave is needed to b
uild the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to apencil salesman. if I nee
d a pencil ill steal it from work.
jim hyde
On Tuesday, November 26, 201311:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@ear
thlink.net>wrote:
Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in hismakeup that will reasse
rt himself at some point.
On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[VantagePartners, L
LC] wrote:
I=C3=A2=C2=C2=99m guessing that Matt Drallewon=C3=A2=C2=C2=99t be get
ting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or BobNuckolls.
I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list forhis
eloquent all-caps post.
As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & BlessedThanksgiving to yo
u all!
Mike C. in Ohio
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550925-606
-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emailhttp://www.matronics.c
om/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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You're either very dense, or this is a put-on.....but it's so random to be
a put-on...and who would be putting you up to it....
Matt Dralle is the gentleman that run Matronics, that provides (at no cost
to you) the mailing lists where you can read about building your "f-ing
Pietenpol". If you would take a moment to read and comprehend the
fund-raiser emails that occasionally got sent out, or, heck, shoot for a
modicum of situational awareness regarding what you are doing on the
internet, you too could understand this.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e
> mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you
> have any idea who he is?
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps
> sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a
> bill graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address
> and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no
> interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on
> this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street
> Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail,
> so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted
> time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be
> banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what
> little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving
> nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work.
>
>
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Obviously patience and civility are also things he has little interest in-
The answer to this guys whining is to kick him off the list
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414210#414210
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On 11/26/2013 12:39 PM, jim hyde wrote:
> who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many
> e mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do
> you have any idea who he is?
He's the person who purchased and operates the computers and network
bandwidth that make this mailing list possible. None of which is free.
Who the hell are you?? Some FAA Master Aviator who knows the Emir of
Saudia Arabia???
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending
> me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill
> graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address
> and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no
> interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils
> on this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the
> street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this
> long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my
> plane so I wasted time that could have been used building a second wing.
> why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building
> the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the fucking
> plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil
> ill steal it from work.
>
> jim hyde
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner
> <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will
> reassert himself at some point.
>
> On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
> Partners, LLC] wrote:
>
>> Im guessing that Matt Dralle wont be getting a Christmas card from
>> Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.
>>
>> I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list
>> for his eloquent all-caps post.
>>
>> As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving
>> to you all!
>>
>> Mike C. in Ohio
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>
>> *
>>
>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com
>> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com
>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com
>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com
>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrace.com
>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com
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> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
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One would hope that the explanation for all of this is that someone has hacked
into Mr. Hyde's email account, and made those posts as some sort of lame prank.
One would hope.
If that isn't the case, the following quotation comes to mind "It is better to
remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all
doubt of it."
BC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414213#414213
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Considering these comments are in the same tone as the email I received
from the guy concerning my offer to help John Recine-
There is little doubt left as far as I'm concerned
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414214#414214
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May be is the first time he use the mail.. I remember in the 87, using a
mail account from MCI (internet for all was in it infancy), short and very
precise messages/faxes/printed letters (you have to pay for the service,
and it was close into the MCI network, not network, but like it) and the
proliferation of mails account 3 o 4 years later with the ISP and
universities, with messages like this one of Jim; the problem was mail was
something new and difficult to work with it, there where ofenses evrywhere,
lots of them by bad interpretation of the original one. But never one like
this one.. i am cant beliv it it yet.
I am going to work a couple of hours with the fuel tank
regards
Mario Giacummo
2013/11/26 Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
> You're either very dense, or this is a put-on.....but it's so random to be
> a put-on...and who would be putting you up to it....
>
> Matt Dralle is the gentleman that run Matronics, that provides (at no cost
> to you) the mailing lists where you can read about building your "f-ing
> Pietenpol". If you would take a moment to read and comprehend the
> fund-raiser emails that occasionally got sent out, or, heck, shoot for a
> modicum of situational awareness regarding what you are doing on the
> internet, you too could understand this.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e
>> mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you
>> have any idea who he is?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps
>> sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a
>> bill graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address
>> and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no
>> interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on
>> this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street
>> Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail,
>> so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted
>> time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be
>> banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what
>> little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving
>> nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work.
>>
>>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Where does a person even start when confronting an idiot? First, Mister Dralle,
by sponsoring this list and many others like it,is doing what the late Paul
Ponerezny did in 1953. He has provided a place where we can exchange ideas about
our passion. What's more,he's provided it for free,you ingrate. Who do you
think provides the infrastructure for this site, the internet fairy?Maybe part
of the problem is that Matt's post was more than a sentence long.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:39 AM PST jim hyde wrote:
>who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e mails
from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you have any
idea who he is?
>
>
>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e
mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graham. I don't
appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money.
im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else.
who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I bought
came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az and I didn't care where
he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do
with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been used building a
second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building
the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane.
I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it
from work.
>
>jim hyde
>
>
>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
>Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will reassert
himself at some point.
>
>
>On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
wrote:
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>Im guessing that Matt Dralle wont be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this
year or Bob Nuckolls.
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>>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for his
eloquent all-caps post.
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>>As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to you all!
>>
>>Mike C. in Ohio
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>>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... |
Is this the same Jim Hyde as the news article? I sure hope not. The one in the
article seemed to be well respected. If so, not so much by these good people.
[quote="Ryan Mueller"]My bad, accidentally sent that too soon. As I was saying,
always good to put a face on a profane rant:
http://www.colemannews.com/?p=19011 (http://www.colemannews.com/?p=19011)
May we interest you in a CAPS Lock key, or some medication? At the very least,
this might come in handy:
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20077917-285/disabling-the-caps-lock-key-on-windows-7/ (http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20077917-285/disabling-the-caps-lock-key-on-windows-7/)
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Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Lets all cool off |
Folks,
Come on, do you really think someone has not become a poser on this list?
Lets all calm down a little before we retry the Salem Witches.
Put your instant reaction machines to bed and ignore this poser. Your reaction
is what 'it' is seeking.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... |
Am I missing something??? I seem to recall a "no e-mail" option when I signed
up for this Forum and as a result, the ONLY solicitation I receive from Matt is
on the Forum when I check to see what's going on. This is neither onerous or
offensive since I can chose to read it or not.
Maybe Mr Hyde should trot on over to his grandkids house and have them explain
the internet to him since he obviously hasn't a vague, foggy, notion of what it
takes to maintain a functioning web site. While he's on his way, he can stop
by the Apple Store and get his avionics advice from its "genius's" and Home
Depot for construction tips.
I truly hope that he is not the Jim Hyde that Ryan found but I fear, based on the
"braniff" part of his signature, that it's true. Very sad that a person of
his stature would loose his civility. Fortunately we have guys like Bill Rewey
and Doc Mosher as better examples.
And yes, I have contributed to Matt's fund raising efforts over the past several
years and fully intend to continue.
Dave Aldrich
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to all pietenpol people just like to say all you happy tanksgiven day jope
your enjoy whit all your famyly .and closed friend jorge from hanford=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:08 PM, Glen Schweizer <glenschweiz
eizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>=0A=0A=0A=0AWhere does a person even start w
hen confronting an idiot?=C2- First, Mister Dralle, by sponsoring this li
st and many others like it,is doing what the late Paul Ponerezny did in 195
3.=C2- He has provided a place where we can exchange ideas about our pass
ion.=C2- What's more,he's provided it for free,you ingrate.=C2- Who do
you think provides the infrastructure for this site, the internet fairy?May
be part of the problem is that Matt's post was more than a sentence long.
=C2- =C2- =0AOn Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:39 AM PST jim hyde wrote:=0A=0A>wh
o is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e mai
ls from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you have
any idea who he is?=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM,
jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=C2- =0A>I have no idea who this mat
t guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he
must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graham.=C2-=C2- I don't appr
eciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im j
ust building a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else. wh
o is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I b
ought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az=C2- and I didn'
t care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has n
othing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been u
sed building a second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here
to get info on building the plane. what little money I have is needed to bu
ild the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I nee
d a pencil ill steal it from work.=0A>=C2-=0A>jim hyde=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On
Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earth
link.net> wrote:=0A>=C2- =0A>Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewher
e in his makeup that will reassert himself at some point.=0A>=0A>=0A>On Nov
26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] w
rote:=0A>=0A>I=99m guessing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting
a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.=0A>>=C2-=0A>>I
also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for his
eloquent all-caps post.=0A>>=C2-=0A>>As for the rest of you Infidels,=C2
-=C2- A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to you all!=0A>>=C2-=0A>>Mi
ke C. in Ohio=0A>>=C2-=0A>>=C2-=0A>>=C2-do not archive=0A>=0A>style
="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>href
="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: u
nderline; ">www.buildersbooks.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoratio
n: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decorati
on: underline; ">www.mrrace.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration: u
nderline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>href="http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>blue; te
xt-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.m==========
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| Subject: | Re: Lets all cool off |
Bob,
Changing the subject, I was looking through the archives and found the picture
of your varnished fuselage and it's absolutely beautiful. What varnish did you
use and how did you apply it.
Thanks,
Keith goff
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:02 PM, "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Come on, do you really think someone has not become a poser on this list?
>
> Lets all calm down a little before we retry the Salem Witches.
>
> Put your instant reaction machines to bed and ignore this poser. Your reaction
is what 'it' is seeking.
>
> Bob Dewenter
> Dayton OH
>
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> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
> Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Plans... Where to start? |
I have decided to start a Piet project. Finally the kids are out of college and
the planets are aligned.
I am finding that there are more than the "official" plans are available. Is there
any innovation or benefit to any other source of plans than from the grandson?
I will be going the A65, C85 or O200 route on the engine, not the model
A.
Thanks in advance,
Steve Boyer
KBJJ
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