---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/26/13: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:50 AM - Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:24 AM - Re: Re: floppity flop (Clif Dawson) 2. 03:49 AM - Re: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Jack) 3. 06:25 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (jim hyde) 4. 06:40 AM - flop latch (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 07:22 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Ryan Mueller) 6. 07:25 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Ryan Mueller) 7. 07:47 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (giacummo) 8. 07:48 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Max Hegler) 9. 08:10 AM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Dick N) 10. 08:57 AM - Jim's Hyde (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 09:41 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Kip and Beth Gardner) 12. 10:06 AM - Re: flop latch (taildrags) 13. 10:26 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (taildrags) 14. 10:37 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (jim hyde) 15. 10:40 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (jim hyde) 16. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question (Ray Krause) 17. 11:07 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Matt Dralle) 18. 11:11 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (cessna7226g@aol.com) 19. 11:12 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Ryan Mueller) 20. 11:20 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (echobravo4) 21. 12:09 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Dan Yocum) 22. 12:41 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Bill Church) 23. 12:51 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (echobravo4) 24. 12:57 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Mario Giacummo) 25. 01:02 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Glen Schweizer) 26. 01:11 PM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 27. 04:02 PM - Lets all cool off (bdewenter) 28. 05:33 PM - Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (dgaldrich) 29. 06:40 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (jorge lizarraga) 30. 06:55 PM - Re: Lets all cool off (Keith) 31. 09:34 PM - Plans... Where to start? (At30West) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:33 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... [Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message. Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator] "As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago. The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out of touch. After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to contemplate. The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply because we're unaware of their significance. I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written in 1958 titled "I pencil". See: http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited uncountable windows of opportunity for what has been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's essay is to examine two features of the human experience that contribute to the success of this List and our various interests in airplanes. The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time, talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never know. Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance of the criticality for any single component for a host of materials and components for the manufacture and sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose any one of the materials or processes described in Read's essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the economy of our existence?" The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware. Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on his way to Wichita some morning. Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal needs for existence. Several times a year I get an opportunity to plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and hear somebody in line complaining about the wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business to encourage them to be open tomorrow. It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . certainly many more make up the population of subscribers to all of the Lists on Matronics. A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials and tribulations over the naming of his products . . . seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan' and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's operations now than it takes to stand in a line for a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils. You and I can have no more positive influence over the manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue to purchase such things and encourage those with the time, talent and resources to continue doing what they do best. Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this service which is probably more valuable than we know. Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics Lists can make a big difference. Bob . . ." Please take a minute to make your Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:11 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: floppity flop There will be. Haven't gone there yet. Every time you turn around there's ANOTHER damn detail you haven't taken care of.......yet! :-) Of course the other reason is that the wing panels aren't on yet so there's nothing to latch to. Clif > Clif, Is there a latch that holds the flop down? > John Francis ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:20 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for? Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question Sure wish I were 41, but then I would still be working, not playing with my toys! Gee, 30 years younger! Can't even remember all the things I could do then, probably better that way. My flop on SkyScout is just as wide as the center section, a mistake. On the plans it is wider, but more complicated to build. Wish I would have followed the plans more closely. Bernard was only about 30 when he designed it, what a smart, forward looking guy! Ray Krause SkyScout coming along.. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:34 AM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS MA TT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP?- MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A PIETENP OL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED.=0A-=0AJIM HYDE=0A=0AFrom: Matt Dral le =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesd ay, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airpl anes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]...=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle =0A=0A[Dear Listers, last week , Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a very nice message discuss ing the Lists and Forums at Matronics.- It is a very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of the Lists for the other m embers to enjoy and contemplate as well.- He gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message.- Enjoy.- -Matt Dralle, Matr onics Email List and Forum Administrator]=0A=0A"As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial =0Adetails for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago. =0AThe Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElect ric.com got really =0Aflakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of =0Amy e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out =0Aof touch. =0A=0AAfter two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as =0Ato root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . =0AI be gan to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B =0Awould have entailed s eeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and =0Aancillary services. NOT a qui ck, inexpensive or happy thing to =0Acontemplate. =0A=0AThe time talents an d resources that go into fabrication and =0Amaintenance of some of the 'sim plest' features of our lives often =0Ago unnoticed . . . not because they'r e unappreciated . . . but simply =0Abecause we're unaware of their signific ance. =0A=0AI will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read writ ten =0Ain 1958 titled "I pencil". See: =0A=0A- - http://tinyurl.com/me3 q3hj=0A=0AIt's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of =0Auna cquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited =0Auncountable windows of opportunity for what has =0Abeen called "spontaneous order" in the manu facture and sales =0Aof the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Rea d's =0Aessay is to examine two features of the human experience that =0Acon tribute to the success of this List and our various interests =0Ain airplan es. =0A=0AThe first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know =0Athe mi llions of individuals who contributed to the materials =0Aand infrastructur e that make this List possible. We sit at the =0Atop of a pyramid of work-p roduct derived from the time, =0Atalents and resources of millions of peopl e who we'll never =0Aknow. =0A=0AAnother feature I'd like to emphasis is ou r ignorance =0Aof the criticality for any single component for a host =0Aof materials and components for the manufacture and =0Asales of a simple penc il or an affordable airplane. Suppose =0Aany one of the materials or proces ses described in Read's =0Aessay were simply unavailable. How would that im pact =0Athe price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to =0Aexist a t it's new price? The really big question is, "How =0Amight some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the =0Aeconomy of our existence?" =0A=0AThe ti me, talent and resources that support infrastructure =0Afor this List, my w ebsite, Matt's website, and our e-mails =0Acannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands =0Aon an exceedingly complex array of activities tha t arose =0Afrom the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- =0Amark et enterprises. But from our perch at the top of =0Athis pyramid we need on ly look down a few layers and see that =0Athis resource upon which we depen d is vulnerable. There are =0Arisks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-bo ned in an =0Aintersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind =0Ahis facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware. =0AYours truly could take a deer through the windshield on =0Ahis way to Wichita some morn ing. =0A=0AOther risks are less catastrophic. They include things =0Alike a mateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet =0Ahighway's potholes. P erhaps some material critical to =0Athe manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or =0Amaybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes =0Ah erded become more than Matt can justify given his personal =0Aneeds for exi stence. =0A=0ASeveral times a year I get an opportunity to =0Aplant new see ds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. =0AOne of my favorites is to be standing in a long line =0Aat Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and =0Ahear somebody in line complaining about the =0Await. I sugges t to them that to wait in line for a =0Amuch desired product is a GOOD thin g. Not having =0Ato wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business =0A to encourage them to be open tomorrow. =0A=0AIt goes without saying that fe w, if any of us, possess the =0Atalents, resources or motivation to step up and do what =0AMatt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals =0Awho subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . =0Acertainly many m ore make up the population of subscribers =0Ato all of the Lists on Matroni cs. =0A=0AA few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials =0Aand tribul ations over the naming of his products . . . =0Aseems somebody claimed owne rship of the words 'scan' =0Aand/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElec tric-List =0Aperceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with =0Aseve ral thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense =0Afund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's =0Aoperations now than it takes to stand in a line for =0Aa Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils. =0A=0AYou and I can have no more positive influence over the =0Amanufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue =0Ato purchase such things and encourage those with the =0Atime, talent and resources to continue doing w hat they =0Ado best. =0A=0ALet's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this =0Aservice which is probably more valuable than we know. =0AJust a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics =0ALists can make a big di fference. =0A=0ABob . . ."=0A=0A=0A=0APlease take a minute to make your Con tribution today:=0A=0A- - - - http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0AOr, drop a personal check in the mail to: =0A=0A- - - - Matt Dralle / Matronics =0A- - - - 581 Jeannie Way =0A- - - - Li vermore CA 94550=0A- - - - USA=0A=0AThank you for your support! =0A =0AMatt Dralle =0AMatronics Email List and Forum Administrator=0A=0A=0A=0A_ -======================== ==== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:27 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flop latch Yes, there should be some sort of latch to keep the flop down. Without it, it'll "flop" around while taxiing pretty badly, especially on rough surfaces, and will raise up an inch or two during flight. Lots of latches have been used, and they all work fine. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... From: Ryan Mueller Always good to put a face on a profane rant: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:24 AM, jim hyde wrote: > I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS > MATT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A > PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND > I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED. > > JIM HYDE > > *From:* Matt Dralle > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From > AeroElectric-List]... > > > [Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a > very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a > very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of > the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He > gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message. > Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator] > > "As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial > details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago. > The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really > flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of > my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out > of touch. > > After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as > to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . > I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B > would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and > ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to > contemplate. > > The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and > maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often > go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply > because we're unaware of their significance. > > I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written > in 1958 titled "I pencil". See: > > http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj > > It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of > unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited > uncountable windows of opportunity for what has > been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales > of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's > essay is to examine two features of the human experience that > contribute to the success of this List and our various interests > in airplanes. > > The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know > the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials > and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the > top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time, > talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never > know. > > Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance > of the criticality for any single component for a host > of materials and components for the manufacture and > sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose > any one of the materials or processes described in Read's > essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact > the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to > exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How > might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the > economy of our existence?" > > The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure > for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails > cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands > on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose > from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- > market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of > this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that > this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are > risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an > intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind > his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware. > Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on > his way to Wichita some morning. > > Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things > like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet > highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to > the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or > maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes > herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal > needs for existence. > > Several times a year I get an opportunity to > plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. > One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line > at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and > hear somebody in line complaining about the > wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a > much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having > to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business > to encourage them to be open tomorrow. > > It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the > talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what > Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals > who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . > certainly many more make up the population of subscribers > to all of the Lists on Matronics. > > A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials > and tribulations over the naming of his products . . . > seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan' > and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List > perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with > several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense > fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's > operations now than it takes to stand in a line for > a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils. > > You and I can have no more positive influence over the > manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue > to purchase such things and encourage those with the > time, talent and resources to continue doing what they > do best. > > Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this > service which is probably more valuable than we know. > Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics > Lists can make a big difference. > > Bob . . ." > > > Please take a minute to make your Contribution today: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: > > Matt Dralle / Matronics > 581 Jeannie Way > Livermore CA 94550 > USA > > Thank you for your support! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List and Forum = (And Get Some AWESOME FREE > Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank> > http://forums.matronics.com/ > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... From: Ryan Mueller My bad, accidentally sent that too soon. As I was saying, always good to put a face on a profane rant: http://www.colemannews.com/?p=19011 May we interest you in a CAPS Lock key, or some medication? At the very least, this might come in handy: http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20077917-285/disabling-the-caps-lock-key-on-windows-7/ do not archive On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:24 AM, jim hyde wrote: > I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS > MATT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A > PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND > I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED. > > JIM HYDE > > *From:* Matt Dralle > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From > AeroElectric-List]... > > > [Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a > very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a > very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of > the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He > gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message. > Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator] > > "As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial > details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago. > The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really > flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of > my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out > of touch. > > After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as > to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . > I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B > would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and > ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to > contemplate. > > The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and > maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often > go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply > because we're unaware of their significance. > > I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written > in 1958 titled "I pencil". See: > > http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj > > It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of > unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited > uncountable windows of opportunity for what has > been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales > of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's > essay is to examine two features of the human experience that > contribute to the success of this List and our various interests > in airplanes. > > The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know > the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials > and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the > top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time, > talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never > know. > > Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance > of the criticality for any single component for a host > of materials and components for the manufacture and > sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose > any one of the materials or processes described in Read's > essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact > the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to > exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How > might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the > economy of our existence?" > > The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure > for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails > cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands > on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose > from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- > market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of > this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that > this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are > risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an > intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind > his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware. > Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on > his way to Wichita some morning. > > Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things > like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet > highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to > the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or > maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes > herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal > needs for existence. > > Several times a year I get an opportunity to > plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. > One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line > at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and > hear somebody in line complaining about the > wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a > much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having > to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business > to encourage them to be open tomorrow. > > It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the > talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what > Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals > who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . > certainly many more make up the population of subscribers > to all of the Lists on Matronics. > > A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials > and tribulations over the naming of his products . . . > seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan' > and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List > perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with > several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense > fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's > operations now than it takes to stand in a line for > a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils. > > You and I can have no more positive influence over the > manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue > to purchase such things and encourage those with the > time, talent and resources to continue doing what they > do best. > > Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this > service which is probably more valuable than we know. > Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics > Lists can make a big difference. > > Bob . . ." > > > Please take a minute to make your Contribution today: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: > > Matt Dralle / Matronics > 581 Jeannie Way > Livermore CA 94550 > USA > > Thank you for your support! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List and Forum = (And Get Some AWESOME FREE > Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank> > http://forums.matronics.com/ > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... From: "giacummo" My english is so so, but, did I understand well what branifman wrote? -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414187#414187 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:55 AM PST US From: Max Hegler Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... Jim=2C Since you asked so nicely=2C Matt Dralle is the person that built the Piete npol list that all of us use to get information to each other about buildin g Pietenpols and other types of aircraft on other user lists. He is knows h ow to put together a computer network and secure the Internet Service Provi der (ISP) to keep it running smoothly. Not an easy or inexpensive task. He provides the equipment and pays for the ISP and does not charge for his ser vice. No one has to pay him anything. However=2C since is is so expensive t o operate=2C he does have a fundraiser in November to help defer expenses. Since I am on several of his users groups=2C I am happy to donate. I know t here are many who just want to build a Pietenpol and don't care where they get the information and that is okay. Most of us find the list to be a grea t way to avoid making mistakes and ending up as a safety statistic... Max From: jnl96@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectr ic-List]... I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS MA TT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND I SURE DO NT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED.=0A =0A JIM HYDE=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: Matt Dralle Sent: Tuesday=2C November 26=2C 2013 2:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-L ist]... =0A [Dear Listers=2C last week=2C Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame=2C post ed a very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He gl adly agreed=2C and so below I have included the text from that message. En joy. -Matt Dralle=2C Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator] "As most of you know=2C Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago. The Lists=2C Matt's business site=2C and AeroElectric.com got really flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of my e-mail services for several days.=0A Out of business and out of touch. After two days=2C I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course=2C plan-B would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and ancillary services. NOT a quick=2C inexpensive or happy thing to contemplate. The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply because we're unaware of their significance. I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written in 1958 titled "I pencil". See: http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of unacquainted=2C self-interested=0A individuals who exploited uncountable windows of opportunity for what has been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's essay is to examine two features of the human experience that contribute to the success of this List and our various interests in airplanes. The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time=2C talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never know. Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance of the criticality for any single component for a host of materials and components for the manufacture and sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose any one of the materials or=0A processes described in Read's essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to exist at it's new price? The really big question is=2C "How might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the economy of our existence?" The time=2C talent and resources that support infrastructure for this List=2C my website=2C Matt's website=2C and our e-mails cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind his facility and do catastrophic damage=0A to the hardware. Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on his way to Wichita some morning. Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal needs for existence. Several times a year I get an opportunity to plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and hear somebody in line complaining about the wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business to encourage=0A them to be open tomorrow. It goes without saying that few=2C if any of us=2C possess the talents=2C resources or motivation to step up and do what Matt does. At last count=2C there were about 1600 individuals who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . certainly many more make up the population of subscribers to all of the Lists on Matronics. A few years back=2C Matt was besieged by legal trials and tribulations over the naming of his products . . . seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan' and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's operations now than it takes to stand in a line for a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils. You and I can have no more positive influence over the=0A manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue to purchase such things and encourage those with the time=2C talent and resources to continue doing what they do best. Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this service which is probably more valuable than we know. Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics Lists can make a big difference. Bob . . ." Please take a minute to make your Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or=2C drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum=0A = (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.m atronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com/ =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:50 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... I will happily remember your name and this post and NOT respond to any of your posts. Dick N ----- Original Message ----- From: jim hyde To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE FUCK IS MATT DRALLE? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ISP? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHERE THE STUFF COMES FROM OR WHO MADE IT AND I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED. JIM HYDE From: Matt Dralle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... [Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message. Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator] "As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago. The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out of touch. After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to contemplate. The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply because we're unaware of their significance. I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written in 1958 titled "I pencil". See: http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited uncountable windows of opportunity for what has been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's essay is to examine two features of the human experience that contribute to the success of this List and our various interests in airplanes. The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time, talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never know. Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance of the criticality for any single component for a host of materials and components for the manufacture and sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose any one of the materials or processes described in Read's essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the economy of our existence?" The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware. Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on his way to Wichita some morning. Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal needs for existence. Several times a year I get an opportunity to plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and hear somebody in line complaining about the wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business to encourage them to be open tomorrow. It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . certainly many more make up the population of subscribers to all of the Lists on Matronics. A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials and tribulations over the naming of his products . . . seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan' and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's operations now than it takes to stand in a line for a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils. You and I can have no more positive influence over the manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue to purchase such things and encourage those with the time, talent and resources to continue doing what they do best. Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this service which is probably more valuable than we know. Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics Lists can make a big difference. Bob . . ." Please take a minute to make your Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum = (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)http://www.matrtp://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:29 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde I'm guessing that Matt Dralle won't be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hy de this year or Bob Nuckolls. I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for hi s eloquent all-caps post. As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to y ou all! Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:09 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will reassert himself at some point. On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > I=92m guessing that Matt Dralle won=92t be getting a Christmas card from > Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls. > > I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list > for his eloquent all-caps post. > > As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed > Thanksgiving to you all! > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flop latch From: "taildrags" As usual, opinions will vary. Scout had latches for the flop but I never latched them. The flop never bounces while taxiing (at least not that I ever noticed), and it never lifts in flight... but then again I can't remember ever going inverted or pulling negative Gs. I removed the latches, which were simple brass slides from the hardware store, but it is undoubtedly more secure to latch the flop. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414199#414199 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim's Hyde From: "taildrags" For as long as I've been on this list (15 years-?), this is the first time I can remember seeing that type of outburst from anyone on the Piet list. I know tempers have flared from time to time and people have come and gone for various reasons, but by and large this is a very decent and emotionally stable group. I know some irascible builders though, and that doesn't detract from their skills, ingenuity, or enthusiasm for the Pietenpol. So, let's don't tack Jim's hide to the wall just yet, please. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414202#414202 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:48 AM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graha m.=C2-=C2- I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no int erest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street Gle ndale, az=C2- and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail , so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be banne d? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what little m oney I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work.=0A=C2-=0Aji m hyde=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gard ner wrote:=0A =0AHopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. J ekyll somewhere in his makeup that will reassert himself at some point.=0A =0A=0AOn Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Part ners, LLC] wrote:=0A=0AI=99m guessing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.=0A>=C2 -=0A>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for his eloquent all-caps post.=0A>=C2-=0A>As for the rest of you Infide ls,=C2-=C2- A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to you all!=0A>=C2- =0A>Mike C. in Ohio=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-do not archive=0A=0Astyle ="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com=0Ahref ="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: un derline; ">www.buildersbooks.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: u nderline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrace.com=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: underl ine; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0Ahref="http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: under line; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ablue; text-deco ====================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:14 AM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e m ails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you hav e any idea who he is?=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, ji m hyde wrote:=0A =0AI have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be l ike a jesus freak guy like a bill graham.=C2-=C2- I don't appreciate so me panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im just build ing a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I bought cam e from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az=C2- and I didn't care wh ere he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been used build ing a second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get in fo on building the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the f ucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a penci l ill steal it from work.=0A=C2-=0Ajim hyde=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, Novemb er 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote :=0A =0AHopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that w ill reassert himself at some point.=0A=0A=0AOn Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, C uy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:=0A=0AI=99m gu essing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.=0A>=C2-=0A>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for his eloquent all-caps post.=0A> =C2-=0A>As for the rest of you Infidels,=C2-=C2- A very Happy & Bless ed Thanksgiving to you all!=0A>=C2-=0A>Mike C. in Ohio=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2 -=0A>=C2-do not archive=0A=0Astyle="color: blue; text-decoration: und erline; ">www.aeroelectric.com=0Ahref="http://www.buildersbooks.com" styl e="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com=0Asty le="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com=0Ast yle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com=0Ast yle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrace.com=0Astyle= "color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style ="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Pietenpol-List=0Ablue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.m ============= ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:16 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question Jack, Thanks for the good word, but it may not be deserved. The cut out is to get at the rudder pedals and brake linkages. There is no way I will be able to get to them from the cockpit. There is a nice SS cover secured by the ever-present aircraft hinges. I figure there should be enough room behind/below the engine to get in there. If not, the engine is only secured by four bolts! With no electrical, there's not many wires to remove. We will see if the hatch was a waste of time. Thanks, Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:48 AM, "Jack" wrote: > > > Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for? > > Jack Textor > West Des Moines, IA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:31 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the > Question > > Sure wish I were 41, but then I would still be working, not playing with my > toys! Gee, 30 years younger! Can't even remember all the things I could do > then, probably better that way. > > My flop on SkyScout is just as wide as the center section, a mistake. On the > plans it is wider, but more complicated to build. Wish I would have followed > the plans more closely. Bernard was only about 30 when he designed it, what > a smart, forward looking guy! > > Ray Krause > SkyScout coming along.. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:43 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde Jim, Please tone down your outbursts. They are really quite unprofessional, childish, unwarranted, and border on offensive. I have had a List Fund Raiser every year for the last 15+ years and I have promoted it in exactly the same way each year during the month of November. It's nothing new. It's simply my way of funding the operation. Below is an excerpt from the Pietenpol-List FAQ page, http://www.matron ics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ Please refrain from profanity and personal attacks against me, or anyone else for that matter, on the List. Further indiscretion will require permanent blocking of your email address from posting. 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Matt Dralle Email List Administrator At 10:39 AM 11/26/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you have any idea who he is? > > >On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde wrote: >I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work. > >jim hyde > > >On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: >Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will reassert himself at some point. > >On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > >>I=99m guessing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls. >> >>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for his eloquent all-caps post. >> >>As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to you all! >> >>Mike C. in Ohio >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde From: cessna7226g@aol.com Right on! Keep up the good work -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 2:08 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde Jim, Please tone down your outbursts. They are really quiteunprofessional, chil dish, unwarranted, and border on offensive. I have had a List Fund Raiser every year for the last 15+ years and Ihave p romoted it in exactly the same way each year during the month ofNovember. It's nothing new. It's simply my way of funding theoperation. Below is an excerpt from thePietenpol-List FAQpage, http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ Please refrain from profanity and personal attacks against me, or anyoneels e for that matter, on the List. Further indiscretion willrequire permanent blocking of your email address from posting. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the supportof it member s. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or anyother form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or theList web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where,throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount withwhich they are comfortable. I will often offer freegifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The giftsare usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operationof the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internetconnection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partiallyoffset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, anddeveloping the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and arecompletely volunta ry and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoysthe Lists and obtai ns value from them, that they make a Contribution of equalmagnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and ifyou've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you'vesettled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listedbelow. There a re a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard,PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make aContribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator At 10:39 AM 11/26/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: who is this pencil salesman andit aint no outburst. if you got as many e ma ils from this guy asking formoney you would be sick of him to. do you have any idea who heis? On Tuesday, November 26, 201312:37 PM, jim hyde wrote: I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know isthat he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesusfreak guy like a bill graham. I don't appreciate somepanhandler finding my e mail address and asking f or money. im justbuilding a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any t hing else. whois this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils Ibought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it andit h as nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that couldhave bee n used building a second wing. why would I be banned? all imdoing is on her e to get info on building the plane. what little money Ihave is needed to b uild the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to apencil salesman. if I nee d a pencil ill steal it from work. jim hyde On Tuesday, November 26, 201311:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in hismakeup that will reasse rt himself at some point. On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[VantagePartners, L LC] wrote: I=C3=A2=C2=C2=99m guessing that Matt Drallewon=C3=A2=C2=C2=99t be get ting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or BobNuckolls. I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list forhis eloquent all-caps post. As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & BlessedThanksgiving to yo u all! Mike C. in Ohio Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550925-606 -1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emailhttp://www.matronics.c om/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde From: Ryan Mueller You're either very dense, or this is a put-on.....but it's so random to be a put-on...and who would be putting you up to it.... Matt Dralle is the gentleman that run Matronics, that provides (at no cost to you) the mailing lists where you can read about building your "f-ing Pietenpol". If you would take a moment to read and comprehend the fund-raiser emails that occasionally got sent out, or, heck, shoot for a modicum of situational awareness regarding what you are doing on the internet, you too could understand this. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, jim hyde wrote: > who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e > mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you > have any idea who he is? > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde > wrote: > I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps > sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a > bill graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address > and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no > interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on > this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street > Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, > so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted > time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be > banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what > little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving > nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim's Hyde From: "echobravo4" Obviously patience and civility are also things he has little interest in- The answer to this guys whining is to kick him off the list -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414210#414210 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:45 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde On 11/26/2013 12:39 PM, jim hyde wrote: > who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many > e mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do > you have any idea who he is? He's the person who purchased and operates the computers and network bandwidth that make this mailing list possible. None of which is free. Who the hell are you?? Some FAA Master Aviator who knows the Emir of Saudia Arabia??? > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde wrote: > I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending > me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill > graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address > and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no > interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils > on this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the > street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this > long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my > plane so I wasted time that could have been used building a second wing. > why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building > the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the fucking > plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil > ill steal it from work. > > jim hyde > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner > wrote: > Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will > reassert himself at some point. > > On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage > Partners, LLC] wrote: > >> Im guessing that Matt Dralle wont be getting a Christmas card from >> Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls. >> >> I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list >> for his eloquent all-caps post. >> >> As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving >> to you all! >> >> Mike C. in Ohio >> >> >> do not archive > >> * >> >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrace.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> * > > *http://www.aeroelectric.com/oks.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.buililthelp.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.ypilotstore.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://ww.mrrace.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://ww-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contributior?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http:// * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > * > -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim's Hyde From: "Bill Church" One would hope that the explanation for all of this is that someone has hacked into Mr. Hyde's email account, and made those posts as some sort of lame prank. One would hope. If that isn't the case, the following quotation comes to mind "It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414213#414213 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim's Hyde From: "echobravo4" Considering these comments are in the same tone as the email I received from the guy concerning my offer to help John Recine- There is little doubt left as far as I'm concerned -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414214#414214 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:46 PM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde May be is the first time he use the mail.. I remember in the 87, using a mail account from MCI (internet for all was in it infancy), short and very precise messages/faxes/printed letters (you have to pay for the service, and it was close into the MCI network, not network, but like it) and the proliferation of mails account 3 o 4 years later with the ISP and universities, with messages like this one of Jim; the problem was mail was something new and difficult to work with it, there where ofenses evrywhere, lots of them by bad interpretation of the original one. But never one like this one.. i am cant beliv it it yet. I am going to work a couple of hours with the fuel tank regards Mario Giacummo 2013/11/26 Ryan Mueller > You're either very dense, or this is a put-on.....but it's so random to be > a put-on...and who would be putting you up to it.... > > Matt Dralle is the gentleman that run Matronics, that provides (at no cost > to you) the mailing lists where you can read about building your "f-ing > Pietenpol". If you would take a moment to read and comprehend the > fund-raiser emails that occasionally got sent out, or, heck, shoot for a > modicum of situational awareness regarding what you are doing on the > internet, you too could understand this. > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, jim hyde wrote: > >> who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e >> mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you >> have any idea who he is? >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde >> wrote: >> I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps >> sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a >> bill graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address >> and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no >> interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on >> this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street >> Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, >> so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted >> time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be >> banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what >> little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving >> nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work. >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:21 PM PST US From: Glen Schweizer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde Where does a person even start when confronting an idiot? First, Mister Dralle, by sponsoring this list and many others like it,is doing what the late Paul Ponerezny did in 1953. He has provided a place where we can exchange ideas about our passion. What's more,he's provided it for free,you ingrate. Who do you think provides the infrastructure for this site, the internet fairy?Maybe part of the problem is that Matt's post was more than a sentence long. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:39 AM PST jim hyde wrote: >who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you have any idea who he is? > > >On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde wrote: > >I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work. > >jim hyde > > >On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > >Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will reassert himself at some point. > > >On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > >Im guessing that Matt Dralle wont be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls. >> >>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for his eloquent all-caps post. >> >>As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to you all! >> >>Mike C. in Ohio >> >> >>do not archive > >style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com >href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com >style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com >style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com >style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrace.com >style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.m============= ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Is this the same Jim Hyde as the news article? I sure hope not. The one in the article seemed to be well respected. If so, not so much by these good people. [quote="Ryan Mueller"]My bad, accidentally sent that too soon. As I was saying, always good to put a face on a profane rant: http://www.colemannews.com/?p=19011 (http://www.colemannews.com/?p=19011) May we interest you in a CAPS Lock key, or some medication? At the very least, this might come in handy: http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20077917-285/disabling-the-caps-lock-key-on-windows-7/ (http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20077917-285/disabling-the-caps-lock-key-on-windows-7/) do not archive -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414217#414217 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lets all cool off From: "bdewenter" Folks, Come on, do you really think someone has not become a poser on this list? Lets all calm down a little before we retry the Salem Witches. Put your instant reaction machines to bed and ignore this poser. Your reaction is what 'it' is seeking. Bob Dewenter Dayton OH -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414221#414221 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... From: "dgaldrich" Am I missing something??? I seem to recall a "no e-mail" option when I signed up for this Forum and as a result, the ONLY solicitation I receive from Matt is on the Forum when I check to see what's going on. This is neither onerous or offensive since I can chose to read it or not. Maybe Mr Hyde should trot on over to his grandkids house and have them explain the internet to him since he obviously hasn't a vague, foggy, notion of what it takes to maintain a functioning web site. While he's on his way, he can stop by the Apple Store and get his avionics advice from its "genius's" and Home Depot for construction tips. I truly hope that he is not the Jim Hyde that Ryan found but I fear, based on the "braniff" part of his signature, that it's true. Very sad that a person of his stature would loose his civility. Fortunately we have guys like Bill Rewey and Doc Mosher as better examples. And yes, I have contributed to Matt's fund raising efforts over the past several years and fully intend to continue. Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414223#414223 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:22 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde to all pietenpol people just like to say all you happy tanksgiven day jope your enjoy whit all your famyly .and closed friend jorge from hanford=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:08 PM, Glen Schweizer =0A=0A=0A=0AWhere does a person even start w hen confronting an idiot?=C2- First, Mister Dralle, by sponsoring this li st and many others like it,is doing what the late Paul Ponerezny did in 195 3.=C2- He has provided a place where we can exchange ideas about our pass ion.=C2- What's more,he's provided it for free,you ingrate.=C2- Who do you think provides the infrastructure for this site, the internet fairy?May be part of the problem is that Matt's post was more than a sentence long. =C2- =C2- =0AOn Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:39 AM PST jim hyde wrote:=0A=0A>wh o is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e mai ls from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you have any idea who he is?=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde wrote:=0A>=C2- =0A>I have no idea who this mat t guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graham.=C2-=C2- I don't appr eciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im j ust building a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else. wh o is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I b ought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az=C2- and I didn' t care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has n othing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that could have been u sed building a second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what little money I have is needed to bu ild the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I nee d a pencil ill steal it from work.=0A>=C2-=0A>jim hyde=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote:=0A>=C2- =0A>Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewher e in his makeup that will reassert himself at some point.=0A>=0A>=0A>On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] w rote:=0A>=0A>I=99m guessing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.=0A>>=C2-=0A>>I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for his eloquent all-caps post.=0A>>=C2-=0A>>As for the rest of you Infidels,=C2 -=C2- A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving to you all!=0A>>=C2-=0A>>Mi ke C. in Ohio=0A>>=C2-=0A>>=C2-=0A>>=C2-do not archive=0A>=0A>style ="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>href ="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: u nderline; ">www.buildersbooks.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoratio n: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decorati on: underline; ">www.mrrace.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration: u nderline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>href="http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>blue; te xt-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.m========== - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- = ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lets all cool off From: Keith Bob, Changing the subject, I was looking through the archives and found the picture of your varnished fuselage and it's absolutely beautiful. What varnish did you use and how did you apply it. Thanks, Keith goff Sent from my iPad > On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:02 PM, "bdewenter" wrote: > > > Folks, > > Come on, do you really think someone has not become a poser on this list? > > Lets all calm down a little before we retry the Salem Witches. > > Put your instant reaction machines to bed and ignore this poser. Your reaction is what 'it' is seeking. > > Bob Dewenter > Dayton OH > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414221#414221 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans... Where to start? From: "At30West" I have decided to start a Piet project. Finally the kids are out of college and the planets are aligned. I am finding that there are more than the "official" plans are available. Is there any innovation or benefit to any other source of plans than from the grandson? I will be going the A65, C85 or O200 route on the engine, not the model A. 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