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1. 02:05 AM - Re: best primer for 4130 fuselage (nightmare)
2. 02:15 AM - Re: Re: best primer for 4130 fuselage (shad bell)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Thanks to all (Don Emch)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Love Letters (echobravo4)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Love Letters (Ryan Mueller)
6. 09:58 AM - Re: Love Letters (jarheadpilot82)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Love Letters (Kip and Beth Gardner)
8. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Love Letters (Ben Charvet)
9. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Fw: glues (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
10. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Love Letters (airlion2@gmail.com)
11. 04:33 PM - Re: Fw: glues (dgaldrich)
12. 06:32 PM - Re: Thanks to all (aviken)
13. 08:30 PM - Re: Fw: glues (taildrags)
14. 08:46 PM - New Builder of the Pietenpol (regreen1954)
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| Subject: | Re: best primer for 4130 fuselage |
Was planning on using stewart system ekobond glue because of lots of positive feedback
about how good it adheres to wood, I believe it is also designed to adhere
well to an epoxy covered steel fuselage. Ill call the co to verify. Also
planning on a latex paint job.
Ill also check into stitts compatibility as well.
Either way, im thinking an epoxy primer (white) with no paint would be my preference
unlesd any other suggestions. Thanks guys.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: best primer for 4130 fuselage |
Akzo Nobel makes a great epoxy primer.- I think Aircraft spruce carries i
t for about $200 for a 2 gallon kit.- They call it an "Interior" Epoxy Pr
imer.- I have been using it for about 13 years at work and on my projects
(I always got the expired shelf life stuff so the price was right).-It i
s used on the inside skins of some comercial aircraft.-It is a little lig
hter green than OD green, and is about as chemical resistant as it can get.
- It is very tough stuff and even paint stripper won't hardly get it off.
- I have primed a few steel fuselages, landing gears and misc. fittings,
sheet metal, fiberglass, it is a great chioce for the longevity of your air
plane.- The only problem is the smallest quanity is a 2 gallon kit, but i
t is probably enough to do 6-7 pietenpols if mixing and spraying were well
coordnated.- But even at $200/2Gal., thats only $25 per Qt.- I have nev
er used the thinner, just mix it 1:1 part a, b, then mix and give it 30 min
activation time and spray.=0A-=0AShad=0A-=0AP.S.-The product I use
--is the Akzo/Nobel 10P4-2 base (part A), and EC117S (Part B), I am ass
uming that the product from A.S.S is the same stuff.=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>=0ATo: p
ietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:33 PM=0A
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: best primer for 4130 fuselage=0A=0A=0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
=0A=0A=0A=0AAny epoxy(NOT THE RATTLE CAN CRAP) would be a great choice.-
Think about white or other very light color because its easier to inspect f
or cracks, rust etc. than a dark color=0A=0A=0A=0A-------------------------
-----=0AOn Sat, Nov 30, 2013 3:49 PM PST Pietflyer1977 wrote:=0A=0A>--> Pie
tenpol-List message posted by: "Pietflyer1977" <rob@stoinoff.com>=0A>=0A>I
would use Stits Epoxy primer if you were going to glue your fabric to any p
art of it. It works the best for not lifting when the glue comes in contact
with it. Also have had good luck with PPG industrial CRE epoxy primer that
works good and is some tough stuff. When they mix it they can also tint it
any color you want if you do not want to paint it. If no fabric is going t
o be glued to it I would use PPG DP90LF epoxy primer. It sprays nice and la
ys down smooth with no orange peel. I would go direct to clean metal with a
ny of these. I don't know anything about the Stewart system but if you are
covering with that system there glue might not affect any of these primers
or any other primers.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks to all |
Hello Steve,
If you are located near Wooster, you are only about an hour and a half drive from
me. I hangar at York Aerodrome, near Columbiana, Ohio (8OH4). You'd be welcome
to come over and see my Piet and if the weather's good we can go for a ride.
If there's still snow on the ground we'll have to put the skis on. :-)
Also Frank Pavliga keeps his Piets near Alliance at Barber Field. He has the
Rudolph Piet and Sky Gypsy... both well known and beautiful Piets. Feel free
to give me a call if you'd likle to stop over. (330) 429-5265.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Love Letters |
Yea, got one early on
Think John R. Got one too
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Love Letters |
Hmm.hopefully this experience doesnt turn Jim off of Pietenpols altogether; I was
looking forward to seeing him at Brodhead. He would be relatively easy to find
at the various highlights of the weekend:
The Textors lunch: "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO
THE F*** IS JACK TEXTOR? WHAT THE F*** IS A BRATWURST?"
The fish boil: "I DONT GIVE A S*** WHERE THE FISH COMES FROM OR WHO BOILED IT AND
I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND SMELL LIKE IT!"
The raffle: "I have no idea who this Doc" guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending
me newsletters wanting stories and pictures."
Checking out the items for sale at the pavilion: who is this guy? why is he selling
ribs on this picnic table? the last ribs I bought came from a drunk indian
on the street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them.
Breakfast in the chapter hangar: "all im doing is out here to get info on building
the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the f****** plane.
I aint giving nothing to a pancake salesman. if I need a pancake ill steal it
from the Sand Burr.
Cest la vie.hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving,
Ryan
On Dec 1, 2013, at 9:48 AM, echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Love Letters |
To all-
Yes I did get a couple of private rants from Mr. Hyde a couple of weeks ago. Not
lately, though. A try bizarre rant, indeed.
Ryan-
you actually made me laugh with your post. Nicely done!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Love Letters |
Now I'm hurt - he ignored me :) Makes me wish I was back in the
Fisherman's sights.
do not archive
On Dec 1, 2013, at 12:57 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
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> To all-
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> Yes I did get a couple of private rants from Mr. Hyde a couple of
> weeks ago. Not lately, though. A try bizarre rant, indeed.
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> Ryan-
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> you actually made me laugh with your post. Nicely done!
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> Semper Fi,
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> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Love Letters |
I believe I was the first to respond to his rant, and he skipped me
too. I must have been too nice. Nice Brodhead prediction Ryan!
Ben
On 12/1/2013 1:30 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote:
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> Now I'm hurt - he ignored me :) Makes me wish I was back in the
> Fisherman's sights.
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> On Dec 1, 2013, at 12:57 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
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>> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
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>> To all-
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>> Yes I did get a couple of private rants from Mr. Hyde a couple of
>> weeks ago. Not lately, though. A try bizarre rant, indeed.
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>> Ryan-
>>
>> you actually made me laugh with your post. Nicely done!
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>> Semper Fi,
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>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Fine Woodworking did a comparison test years ago on various glues, not sure
what year or issue, (think google if interested), but Titebond was one of
the glues compared to several epoxies and it compared favorably. Only reason
to not use epoxy that I can see is allergy to epoxy. Some people develop it
working with epoxy grout in commercial tile applications and they break out
something fierce. From then on they are not supposed to use the stuff.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: glues
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Titebond is not one of the polyethylene glues - those are the ones
like Gorilla Glue, which, as you say, foam in a gap. There are some
significant issues with those that make them, in my opinion, unsafe
for aircraft. Titebond is an aliphatic resin glue (whatever that is),
and is more related to good old Elmer's than any other glue type.
Needs to be clamped properly to get a good bond, but I've used it for
years in many woodworking projects & is my glue of choice if there's a
reason to NOT use an epoxy.
On Nov 30, 2013, at 10:24 PM, GNflyer wrote:
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> I do not know for sure but I think Titebond may be one of the poly
> ethylene? glues that are like the one I had the dealings with. if so it
> wasn't their brand, but I was instructed that you did need to dampen one
> surface with water o help it set and also soak in the wood better. been
> quite a few years. but for sure that particular glue did hold well with a
> good fit-however if there was any gap it created a foam which had very
> little if any strength. Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Love Letters |
Hey, this pietenpol site is going downhill fast, how do we get rid of jerks, my
wife will not sign on anymore. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 1, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org> wrote:
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> Hmm.hopefully this experience doesnt turn Jim off of Pietenpols altogether; I
was looking forward to seeing him at Brodhead. He would be relatively easy to
find at the various highlights of the weekend:
>
> The Textors lunch: "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE.
WHO THE F*** IS JACK TEXTOR? WHAT THE F*** IS A BRATWURST?"
>
> The fish boil: "I DONT GIVE A S*** WHERE THE FISH COMES FROM OR WHO BOILED IT
AND I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND SMELL LIKE IT!"
>
> The raffle: "I have no idea who this Doc" guy is. all I know is that he keeps
sending me newsletters wanting stories and pictures."
>
> Checking out the items for sale at the pavilion: who is this guy? why is he selling
ribs on this picnic table? the last ribs I bought came from a drunk indian
on the street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them.
>
> Breakfast in the chapter hangar: "all im doing is out here to get info on building
the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the f****** plane.
I aint giving nothing to a pancake salesman. if I need a pancake ill steal
it from the Sand Burr.
>
> Cest la vie.hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving,
>
> Ryan
>
>
>> On Dec 1, 2013, at 9:48 AM, echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Yea, got one early on
>> Think John R. Got one too
>>
>> --------
>> Earl Brown
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>> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414690#414690
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Just found this document from System Three, the makers of T-88. Interesting reading...
http://www.systemthree.com/reslibrary/literature/certwoodenaircraft.pdf
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks to all |
Hi Steve... I just started my project, So Im only a few days work ahead of you.
If I can help , just give me a holler.
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Douwe; as to your question about anyone else building wooden airplanes besides
us, the only other group I'm familiar with are the KR builders. The KR uses a
wood structure with foam infill and fiberglass skin. It also uses wood spars
and other framing members. The discussions on the KRNet are quite similar to
ours, with T88 predomindating but various other adhesives being used for the
wooden parts. West Systems seems to be mentioned frequently.
I, too, wonder about Titebond III. It is an excellent adhesive, proven and tested
waterproof, and if I understand the product literature correctly it has a
shear strength of 4000 psi at room temperature, vs the listed shear strength for
T88 of 2500 psi at 67F. They both lose strength at elevated temperatures (150F
or so). Still, as Clif pointed out, the glue strength is at least as good
as the wood strength at those temperatures. There are many benefits to using
Titebond... it's a one-part adhesive that works well at most shop temperatures,
is widely available (I've never seen T88 in a hardware store, but I see Titebond
II and III in most such stores), dries clear, and is easy to clean up.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | New Builder of the Pietenpol |
Just getting going on my Pietenpol. Planning the extended fuselage and thinking
about other options in terms of gear and engines (I have some time!). Will
be building the tail group first and noted on the plans that cast aluminum hinges
were preferred. Is there a source for them? Best regards, Rich
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Rich Green, CFI
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