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1. 04:23 AM - Quick Intro - Georgia (gsnewsome)
2. 06:12 AM - Vi's Piet (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:36 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (AircamperN11MS)
4. 08:03 AM - Re: Quick Intro - Georgia (jarheadpilot82)
5. 09:22 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (taildrags)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: Vi's Piet (taildrags)
7. 09:50 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (AircamperN11MS)
8. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (Ryan Mueller)
9. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Quick Intro - Georgia (Fastnaught John)
10. 10:55 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (Catdesigns)
11. 11:10 AM - steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (AircamperN11MS)
13. 03:18 PM - Re: Vi's Piet (Greg Cardinal)
14. 06:40 PM - Re: steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas (Gary Boothe)
15. 07:54 PM - Re: Vi's Piet (dwilson)
16. 08:12 PM - Turnbuckles for sale? (Ray Krause)
17. 09:02 PM - Re: Turnbuckles for sale? (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Quick Intro - Georgia |
I recently joined the email lists and must admit I'm fascinated with this design.
Although it will not meet my needs, I still enjoy seeing the variations in
the final products built.
I would like to see one of these up close.
Thanks,
Greg Newsome (Savannah, GA)
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Hey,
I saw Vi's plane about four years ago and it was finished, but he hadn't
flown it yet. Since then I have heard absolutely nothing about it or seen
any pictures of it flying or otherwise.
Does anyone know "the dish" on this plane and if it's flown? And if it has
flown how is it doing? It's a beautiful, Ford powered, to the plans plane
and I think it would good to know about it.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... |
Good morning Oscar,
Good question, If you only have light surface rust then you will not have any
problem using the tubing. If there is any pitting due to the rust I wouldn't
consider using those pieces. I could only guess that the rust would only be on
the outside due to all the handling over the years. If you have some light
rust on the inside I would try running a round wire brush or scotch brite through
it with a drill. This might be better done after you have cut them to length.
(shorter pieces) Then get some linseed oil on the inside. Before any welding,
be sure to clean the tube joints real good first. You could then sand or
sand blast the rest of the structure before priming and/or painting. Silica
sand has worked good for me.
What did Uncle Tony say?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Intro - Georgia |
Greg,
There may be Pietenpols closer, but less than 2 hours north of you is Barnwell,
South Carolina. P.F. Beck and Don Harper have 2 great examples of well built
Pietenpols. You can contact P.F., and I am sure he would be happy to have you
come up, and will even give you a ride.
P.F. is the consummate southern gentleman who, I m sure, would be happy to get
with you.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... |
Scott: don't start me to lyin' ;o) I am ashamed to say that I haven't looked at
the Sportplane Builder books to see what Uncle Tony says about preparing steel
tubing for fabrication, but I promise that I will ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Douwe; go back to Nov. 22 when I posted a thread called "Friday's mystery Piet".
There are some pictures of Vi's beautiful airplane there. I assume that it's
flying.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... |
Oscar,
I must confess. I have uncle Tony's books too but have not cracked them open in
about twenty years. I don't even know if he covers rusty 4130. I only asked
because I thought you may have already looked.
See Mikee, we are trying but we are not good at follow through without your nudge.
:)
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... |
Dan must be busy today, so I'll pick up the slack:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tony+bingelis+rusted+tubing
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>wrote:
> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
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> Oscar,
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> I must confess. I have uncle Tony's books too but have not cracked them
> open in about twenty years. I don't even know if he covers rusty 4130. I
> only asked because I thought you may have already looked.
>
> See Mikee, we are trying but we are not good at follow through without
> your nudge. :)
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414793#414793
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Intro - Georgia |
Greg,
Im in Gilbert, SC which is 25 miles west of Columbia. Im just of Rte 20. I would
be honored if you would like to visit. I bought a project and have been working
on it to date. I should be covering in January. The frame is all done. Ford
powered and I just finished rebuilding it.
Stop by anytime.
jack
803-414-2235
On Dec 3, 2013, at 11:03 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Greg,
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> There may be Pietenpols closer, but less than 2 hours north of you is Barnwell,
South Carolina. P.F. Beck and Don Harper have 2 great examples of well built
Pietenpols. You can contact P.F., and I am sure he would be happy to have you
come up, and will even give you a ride.
>
> P.F. is the consummate southern gentleman who, I m sure, would be happy to get
with you.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... |
He speaks
"Sometimes we builders will find a piece or two of 4130 steel that has been lying
around for years . . . and it shows it in its surfaces which may have varying
degrees of rust, scratches and even pit marks. There is no harm in using the
material although it should be cleaned up first to determine its acceptability
before cutting out parts. This precaution will serve to assure you that you
will not have to discard a part after you have spent much time making it. Rust
will sand off easy enough provided that corrosion has not eaten into the metal
to any degree. All rust must be removed, otherwise the residual will keep working
away on the metal even after it has been primed and painted. Sanding the
surfaces to a nice shiny appearance may or may not prove successful in removing
all of the rust. Although the new shiny surfaces might look perfect, the grain
of the metal will still have tiny little imbedded specks of rust invisible
to the (if you will pardon the immodesty) naked eye. To be sure, treat steel
surfaces with a metal conditioner to neutralize the rust. A product similar to
Osphos or any of those put out by DuPont and other paint companies may be used
to take care of that problem. (Be sure to read and follow instructions.)" Tony
Bingelis
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas |
I can see that many of you will not be on my Uncle Tony's Christmas card li
st this year. He'll be sending lumps
of coal and old fruitcake for your stockings hung by the fire. :) !
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... |
Along the same lines here. When I was rebuilding/recovering my airplane I considered
powder-coating my fuselage. I called Kitfox to see if they knew how much
weight a Kitfox gained when powder-coated. They said it was abut 12 lbs.
It seemed like a lot to me. I also asked them about making repairs and seeing
cracks once it was applied. They said both are more difficult to do when powder-coated
verses primer and paint. I was also told that they at one time had
a fuselage rust from the inside out after being powder-coated. What caused that
I asked. The answer was that it started rusting before the powder-coating
was applied. They waited too long after the prep work was done.
After learning this I used the Poly-fiber two part epoxy primer and haven't regretted
it at all.
So yes, it is very important to make sure ALL rust has been neutralized before
you prime or powder-coat.
I reckon that you guys building with wood need to look out for mold.
Fun stuff to think about.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Yes, it has flown.
Vi was working out some ignition issues and as of last August he had
about 10 hours on the plane.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi's Piet
Hey,
I saw Vi's plane about four years ago and it was finished, but he
hadn't flown it yet. Since then I have heard absolutely nothing about
it or seen any pictures of it flying or otherwise.
Does anyone know "the dish" on this plane and if it's flown? And if it
has flown how is it doing? It's a beautiful, Ford powered, to the plans
plane and I think it would good to know about it.
Douwe
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| Subject: | steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas |
What's worse? Having Uncle Tony's books and not using them?...or not having
them at all?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas
I can see that many of you will not be on my Uncle Tony's Christmas card
list this year. He'll be sending lumps
of coal and old fruitcake for your stockings hung by the fire. :) !
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I was just over to Vi's today. We were examining a couple of our wood carvings
( propellers. ) Vi does have a few hours on his new ship. He reports that he
has a problem with the carb. He stated that it idles to fast ( 850 RPM ),
and that creates a problem during landing because he tends to float in ground
effect when he would rather be sticking a three pointer. He is also working on
the installation of a starter for the Model A Ford. Plans to use a motorcycle
battery and figures he will find a place to put it. Vi is now 86 years old
and says he would like to stick around at least until 90. Knees hurt a little
bit, has a problem with a heart valve, doesn't like to sit around and watch
soap operas so he will just stay busy working on all things Pietenpol. Sure is
a nice guy to have in your back yard.
Dan
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles for sale? |
Does anyone have some extra turnbuckles they won't be using? I am short a few,
especially smaller ones for the stabilizers.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles for sale? |
Ray; let me see what I have in the hangar. I bought some earlier this year, but
they may be too small for what you need. Get with me off-list to let me know
how many you need and what size/configuration.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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