---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/03/13: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:23 AM - Quick Intro - Georgia (gsnewsome) 2. 06:12 AM - Vi's Piet (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (AircamperN11MS) 4. 08:03 AM - Re: Quick Intro - Georgia (jarheadpilot82) 5. 09:22 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (taildrags) 6. 09:24 AM - Re: Vi's Piet (taildrags) 7. 09:50 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (AircamperN11MS) 8. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (Ryan Mueller) 9. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Quick Intro - Georgia (Fastnaught John) 10. 10:55 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (Catdesigns) 11. 11:10 AM - steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 12. 12:11 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... (AircamperN11MS) 13. 03:18 PM - Re: Vi's Piet (Greg Cardinal) 14. 06:40 PM - Re: steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas (Gary Boothe) 15. 07:54 PM - Re: Vi's Piet (dwilson) 16. 08:12 PM - Turnbuckles for sale? (Ray Krause) 17. 09:02 PM - Re: Turnbuckles for sale? (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quick Intro - Georgia From: "gsnewsome" I recently joined the email lists and must admit I'm fascinated with this design. Although it will not meet my needs, I still enjoy seeing the variations in the final products built. I would like to see one of these up close. Thanks, Greg Newsome (Savannah, GA) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414768#414768 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:11 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi's Piet Hey, I saw Vi's plane about four years ago and it was finished, but he hadn't flown it yet. Since then I have heard absolutely nothing about it or seen any pictures of it flying or otherwise. Does anyone know "the dish" on this plane and if it's flown? And if it has flown how is it doing? It's a beautiful, Ford powered, to the plans plane and I think it would good to know about it. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... From: "AircamperN11MS" Good morning Oscar, Good question, If you only have light surface rust then you will not have any problem using the tubing. If there is any pitting due to the rust I wouldn't consider using those pieces. I could only guess that the rust would only be on the outside due to all the handling over the years. If you have some light rust on the inside I would try running a round wire brush or scotch brite through it with a drill. This might be better done after you have cut them to length. (shorter pieces) Then get some linseed oil on the inside. Before any welding, be sure to clean the tube joints real good first. You could then sand or sand blast the rest of the structure before priming and/or painting. Silica sand has worked good for me. What did Uncle Tony say? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414772#414772 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Intro - Georgia From: "jarheadpilot82" Greg, There may be Pietenpols closer, but less than 2 hours north of you is Barnwell, South Carolina. P.F. Beck and Don Harper have 2 great examples of well built Pietenpols. You can contact P.F., and I am sure he would be happy to have you come up, and will even give you a ride. P.F. is the consummate southern gentleman who, I m sure, would be happy to get with you. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414781#414781 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... From: "taildrags" Scott: don't start me to lyin' ;o) I am ashamed to say that I haven't looked at the Sportplane Builder books to see what Uncle Tony says about preparing steel tubing for fabrication, but I promise that I will ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414789#414789 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vi's Piet From: "taildrags" Douwe; go back to Nov. 22 when I posted a thread called "Friday's mystery Piet". There are some pictures of Vi's beautiful airplane there. I assume that it's flying. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414790#414790 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... From: "AircamperN11MS" Oscar, I must confess. I have uncle Tony's books too but have not cracked them open in about twenty years. I don't even know if he covers rusty 4130. I only asked because I thought you may have already looked. See Mikee, we are trying but we are not good at follow through without your nudge. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414793#414793 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... From: Ryan Mueller Dan must be busy today, so I'll pick up the slack: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tony+bingelis+rusted+tubing On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Oscar, > > I must confess. I have uncle Tony's books too but have not cracked them > open in about twenty years. I don't even know if he covers rusty 4130. I > only asked because I thought you may have already looked. > > See Mikee, we are trying but we are not good at follow through without > your nudge. :) > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414793#414793 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Intro - Georgia From: Fastnaught John Greg, Im in Gilbert, SC which is 25 miles west of Columbia. Im just of Rte 20. I would be honored if you would like to visit. I bought a project and have been working on it to date. I should be covering in January. The frame is all done. Ford powered and I just finished rebuilding it. Stop by anytime. jack 803-414-2235 On Dec 3, 2013, at 11:03 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > Greg, > > There may be Pietenpols closer, but less than 2 hours north of you is Barnwell, South Carolina. P.F. Beck and Don Harper have 2 great examples of well built Pietenpols. You can contact P.F., and I am sure he would be happy to have you come up, and will even give you a ride. > > P.F. is the consummate southern gentleman who, I m sure, would be happy to get with you. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414781#414781 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... From: "Catdesigns" He speaks "Sometimes we builders will find a piece or two of 4130 steel that has been lying around for years . . . and it shows it in its surfaces which may have varying degrees of rust, scratches and even pit marks. There is no harm in using the material although it should be cleaned up first to determine its acceptability before cutting out parts. This precaution will serve to assure you that you will not have to discard a part after you have spent much time making it. Rust will sand off easy enough provided that corrosion has not eaten into the metal to any degree. All rust must be removed, otherwise the residual will keep working away on the metal even after it has been primed and painted. Sanding the surfaces to a nice shiny appearance may or may not prove successful in removing all of the rust. Although the new shiny surfaces might look perfect, the grain of the metal will still have tiny little imbedded specks of rust invisible to the (if you will pardon the immodesty) naked eye. To be sure, treat steel surfaces with a metal conditioner to neutralize the rust. A product similar to Osphos or any of those put out by DuPont and other paint companies may be used to take care of that problem. (Be sure to read and follow instructions.)" Tony Bingelis -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414798#414798 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:31 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas I can see that many of you will not be on my Uncle Tony's Christmas card li st this year. He'll be sending lumps of coal and old fruitcake for your stockings hung by the fire. :) ! [cid:image001.png@01CEF031.623DBCC0] ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing... From: "AircamperN11MS" Along the same lines here. When I was rebuilding/recovering my airplane I considered powder-coating my fuselage. I called Kitfox to see if they knew how much weight a Kitfox gained when powder-coated. They said it was abut 12 lbs. It seemed like a lot to me. I also asked them about making repairs and seeing cracks once it was applied. They said both are more difficult to do when powder-coated verses primer and paint. I was also told that they at one time had a fuselage rust from the inside out after being powder-coated. What caused that I asked. The answer was that it started rusting before the powder-coating was applied. They waited too long after the prep work was done. After learning this I used the Poly-fiber two part epoxy primer and haven't regretted it at all. So yes, it is very important to make sure ALL rust has been neutralized before you prime or powder-coat. I reckon that you guys building with wood need to look out for mold. Fun stuff to think about. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414805#414805 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:41 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vi's Piet Yes, it has flown. Vi was working out some ignition issues and as of last August he had about 10 hours on the plane. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi's Piet Hey, I saw Vi's plane about four years ago and it was finished, but he hadn't flown it yet. Since then I have heard absolutely nothing about it or seen any pictures of it flying or otherwise. Does anyone know "the dish" on this plane and if it's flown? And if it has flown how is it doing? It's a beautiful, Ford powered, to the plans plane and I think it would good to know about it. Douwe ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:53 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas What's worse? Having Uncle Tony's books and not using them?...or not having them at all? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: steel tubing and what you're getting for Christmas I can see that many of you will not be on my Uncle Tony's Christmas card list this year. He'll be sending lumps of coal and old fruitcake for your stockings hung by the fire. :) ! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vi's Piet From: "dwilson" I was just over to Vi's today. We were examining a couple of our wood carvings ( propellers. ) Vi does have a few hours on his new ship. He reports that he has a problem with the carb. He stated that it idles to fast ( 850 RPM ), and that creates a problem during landing because he tends to float in ground effect when he would rather be sticking a three pointer. He is also working on the installation of a starter for the Model A Ford. Plans to use a motorcycle battery and figures he will find a place to put it. Vi is now 86 years old and says he would like to stick around at least until 90. Knees hurt a little bit, has a problem with a heart valve, doesn't like to sit around and watch soap operas so he will just stay busy working on all things Pietenpol. Sure is a nice guy to have in your back yard. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414825#414825 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles for sale? From: Ray Krause Does anyone have some extra turnbuckles they won't be using? I am short a few, especially smaller ones for the stabilizers. Thanks, Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? From: "taildrags" Ray; let me see what I have in the hangar. I bought some earlier this year, but they may be too small for what you need. Get with me off-list to let me know how many you need and what size/configuration. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414827#414827 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.