---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/05/13: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:02 AM - Re: Helmets (piperj3cubflyer) 2. 03:13 AM - Re: Helmets (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 04:25 AM - Re: First snow (GNflyer) 4. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: First snow (Marcus Zechini) 5. 04:39 AM - A Video For All You Prop Carvers (jarheadpilot82) 6. 04:42 AM - tail turnbuckles (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? (Michael Perez) 8. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: First snow (Steven Dortch) 9. 06:14 AM - Re: A Video For All You Prop Carvers (nightmare) 10. 07:13 AM - Re: Helmets (Steven Dortch) 11. 07:19 AM - Re: Helmets (Scott Knowlton) 12. 07:43 AM - Re: Turnbuckles for sale? (AircamperN11MS) 13. 08:21 AM - Re: Helmets (Steven Dortch) 14. 08:45 AM - mold (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 15. 09:01 AM - Re: mold (Steven Dortch) 16. 09:23 AM - Project for sale () 17. 10:25 AM - Re: Helmets (Steven Dortch) 18. 10:47 AM - Re: Project for sale (Gary Boothe) 19. 11:26 AM - Re: Project for sale (Jim Boyer) 20. 12:09 PM - Re: Helmets (Larry Williams) 21. 12:26 PM - Re: mold (womenfly2) 22. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Helmets (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 23. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Helmets (Gary Boothe) 24. 04:07 PM - Re: Helmets (nightmare) 25. 04:12 PM - Re: Helmets (John Francis) 26. 07:26 PM - Re: Project for sale (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 27. 08:00 PM - Re: tail turnbuckles (Ray Krause) 28. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? (Ray Krause) 29. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? (Ray Krause) 30. 09:10 PM - Re: tail turnbuckles (taildrags) 31. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: tail turnbuckles (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:11 AM PST US From: piperj3cubflyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Helmets Nice authentic World War II helmet. http://www.eastmanleather.com/product_info.php?products_id 1 Great open cockpit helmet with built-in headset and it has a great look. http://www.campbellaeroclassics.com/id2.html Jeff Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2013, at 8:46 PM, "Dick N" wrote: > > > Check out Aircraft Spruce catalog. They have a nice helmet. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fastnaught" > To: "Pietenpol List" > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:58 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmets > > > > I'm about to make a leather helmet and goggles purchase and would like to exploit the vast knowledge that the members of this list have. I have David Clark headsets and would like to use them. There are so many choices out there. What seems to be the best combination? > I've been lurking but now would like to join in on the fun. > I bought a project. I have rebuilt the model A engine and hope to cover in another month or so. Looking forward to flying to Brodhead next year. > Thanks in advance > Jack > N144JF > Ford powered > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Helmets From: danhelsper@aol.com Jack, Pop's Leather. I have two. Great quality and cheap price. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Fastnaught Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 3:04 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmets m.net> I'm about to make a leather helmet and goggles purchase and would like to exploit the vast knowledge that the members of this list have. I have David Clark headsets and would like to use them. There are so many choices out th ere. What seems to be the best combination? I've been lurking but now would like to join in on the fun. I bought a project. I have rebuilt the model A engine and hope to cover in another month or so. Looking forward to flying to Brodhead next year. Thanks in advance Jack N144JF Ford powered Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First snow From: "GNflyer" that's a sad sight. I have an extra hangar if you want to bring her to the Texas panhandle. it isn't much but would keep the snow off.' might be a slow flight without a prop though Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414895#414895 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First snow From: Marcus Zechini Yes, as owner of another GN....very sad! Zeke NX431LA On Dec 5, 2013 7:27 AM, "GNflyer" wrote: > > that's a sad sight. I have an extra hangar if you want to bring her to the > Texas panhandle. it isn't much but would keep the snow off.' might be a > slow flight without a prop though > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414895#414895 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Video For All You Prop Carvers From: "jarheadpilot82" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax0yaHi4acc&feature=player_embedded -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414897#414897 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:04 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail turnbuckles Hi Ray, In theory turnbuckles are not required for your tail surfaces. In theory, if everything was built perfectly and needed no tweaking and if you could get the exact tension between all eight wires without turnbuckles, they would be superfluous. I THINK I've heard of some guys just twisting the cables to make minor adjustments and I personally can see no problem with this; should work fine, assuming you're an accurate builder and you don't introduce too much twist into the cables. HOWEVER, imho, in the real world, most of us have needed to adjust our tail surfaces as we've refined things during flight testing and a turnbuckle sure makes it easy. It is very wise to be concerned with every ounce of weight added, as this kind of thinking will help fight off the "weight monster" that can so easily creep up on us builders. HOWEVER, I think one should combine weight concern with an awareness that one is building an airplane for use in the real-world over a period of decades (hopefully). This means to me that the decision to chuck an item should be made against a backdrop of real-world usage. Yes, weight does add up, but there are some things that are just worth it. Maybe it's a step. maybe it's brakes. . After a year of "living" with RE-PIET, I am coming to realize that things that encourage maintenance and make her easier to use are very valuable. Some things are purely optional and have little function in making an airplane more "liveable", such as thicker upholstery. Some things add weight but save money but in the end don't really affect "liveability" such as steel rims over alloy rims. Some things will add weight, BUT do add to the "liveability quotient" and these are the things which should be thought about with the coming decades in mind. From my limited experience, some items that fall into this category would be turnbuckles everywhere, a step, a comfy seat, a good fuel gauge, good brakes, a harness that is easy to adjust when sitting in that tiny cockpit with winter clothes on, a well-designed cowling that's easy to get off, with lots of access panels. etc. That all being said, the VAST majority of builders use turnbuckles back there and I would if I were building again. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? "One could MAYBE avoid some drag, weight and airflow disruption by using just the cable?" I like how you think Ray! One of the best places to keep weight to a minimum is, as you know, at the tail. So, it make sense to keep whatever you do put back there, light. I see you are looking at using 1/16" cable, considering the TB you mentioned. I believe Oscar uses this size cable, as am I. (I am yet to fly...) I am using TBs on the tail for the reasons Douwe has already mentioned. However, I have no experience with just using cable and twisting, so I can't comment on if they are as good, or better. If it saves weight, try it! You also mentioned using the -16S 4.5" long barrels. The -16S is "short" 2.25" long. If you can, use the short barrels for the weight and cost savings. The TB spares I have will all be the clip locking type and the cable ends are the swage on type. (Page 130 in cat.) I am not sure I have any other assembly parts, but I can check. If interested in having you cables swaged, we can chat off line. Please advise. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First snow From: Steven Dortch Where are you in God's country? (AKA Texas Panhandle) Blue Skies, Steve Dortch Pietengrega, 65cont. Fort Sam Houston, Texas On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:24 AM, GNflyer wrote: > > that's a sad sight. I have an extra hangar if you want to bring her to the > Texas panhandle. it isn't much but would keep the snow off.' might be a > slow flight without a prop though > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414895#414895 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Video For All You Prop Carvers From: "nightmare" Very nice Terry! -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414903#414903 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Helmets From: Steven Dortch These helmets are interesting, any idea on their cost?. Better protection with Kevlar shell covered by leather, built in headset, New Zealand company. Neat goggles and such. http://www.campbellaeroclassics.com/index.html Anyone heard of any other helmets that are more protective than just cloth or leather? I love the original look, but better protection would be nice. Even leather skydiver helmets have some padding. Blue Skies, Steve D On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:13 AM, wrote: > Jack, > > Pop's Leather. I have two. Great quality and cheap price. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: John Fastnaught > To: Pietenpol List > Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 3:04 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmets > > > > > I'm about to make a leather helmet and goggles purchase and would like to > exploit the vast knowledge that the members of this list have. I have David > Clark headsets and would like to use them. There are so many choices out there. > What seems to be the best combination? > I've been lurking but now would like to join in on the fun. > I bought a project. I have rebuilt the model A engine and hope to cover in > another month or so. Looking forward to flying to Brodhead next year. > Thanks in advance > Jack > N144JF > Ford powered > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com > ank">www.mrrace.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Helmets From: Scott Knowlton Beautiful helmets - and they are helmets with a hard shell underneath. I ema iled them and received a beautiful brochure with a head measuring device. R etail is close to $2600 bucks! They'd better be beautiful. Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2013, at 10:15 AM, "Steven Dortch" w rote: > > These helmets are interesting, any idea on their cost?. Better protection w ith Kevlar shell covered by leather, built in headset, New Zealand company. N eat goggles and such. > > http://www.campbellaeroclassics.com/index.html > > Anyone heard of any other helmets that are more protective than just cloth or leather? I love the original look, but better protection would be nice. E ven leather skydiver helmets have some padding. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:13 AM, wrote: >> Jack, >> >> Pop's Leather. I have two. Great quality and cheap price. >> >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Fastnaught >> To: Pietenpol List >> Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 3:04 pm >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmets >> eam.net >> >> > >> >> I'm about to make a leather helmet and goggles purchase and would like to >> exploit the vast knowledge that the members of this list have. I have Dav id >> Clark headsets and would like to use them. There are so many choices out t here. >> What seems to be the best combination? >> I've been lurking but now would like to join in on the fun. >> I bought a project. I have rebuilt the model A engine and hope to cover i n >> another month or so. Looking forward to flying to Brodhead next year. >> Thanks in advance >> Jack >> N144JF >> Ford powered >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> ank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> .com/" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> lank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, My tail has the (Drag and Anti Drag) wires from a Piper wing. J5 I think. Look my plane up on the west coast site. They are adjustable and very light. Just another option, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414910#414910 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Helmets From: Steven Dortch For that much they should include a radio, ANR and a GPS slaved to a autopilot! For protection at the speeds we fly a 3/4 "styrofoam" portion like the protection in a bike helmet and then covered with leather, would be very protective. Blue Skies Steve D On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > Beautiful helmets - and they are helmets with a hard shell underneath. I > emailed them and received a beautiful brochure with a head measuring > device. Retail is close to $2600 bucks! They'd better be beautiful. > > Scott Knowlton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 5, 2013, at 10:15 AM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote: > > These helmets are interesting, any idea on their cost?. Better > protection with Kevlar shell covered by leather, built in headset, New > Zealand company. Neat goggles and such. > > http://www.campbellaeroclassics.com/index.html > > Anyone heard of any other helmets that are more protective than just cloth > or leather? I love the original look, but better protection would be nice. > Even leather skydiver helmets have some padding. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:13 AM, wrote: > >> Jack, >> >> Pop's Leather. I have two. Great quality and cheap price. >> >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Fastnaught >> To: Pietenpol List >> Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 3:04 pm >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmets >> >> >> > >> >> I'm about to make a leather helmet and goggles purchase and would like to >> exploit the vast knowledge that the members of this list have. I have David >> Clark headsets and would like to use them. There are so many choices out there. >> What seems to be the best combination? >> I've been lurking but now would like to join in on the fun. >> I bought a project. I have rebuilt the model A engine and hope to cover in >> another month or so. Looking forward to flying to Brodhead next year. >> Thanks in advance >> Jack >> N144JF >> Ford powered >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> ank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> * >> >> "_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> .com/" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> lank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> * >> >> > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:23 AM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: mold I built my ribs and tail parts years ago and have them stored in the basement. Recently I found mold spots on them. They are not yet varnished. What should I do about the mold, ignore it and paint over it, bleach it off, or what? Dennis ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mold From: Steven Dortch SUNLIGHT may not do away with stain but will kill the mold. Bright sunlight for hours. rotate them to get light to all areas. Inside joints where light can't get to you may need to use lysol like disinfectant. If put back into bsement they will get mold again, unless you treat basement. Basement needs to be dehumidified, lysoled and have airflow. Blue Skies, Steve D On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Dennis Engelkenjohn wrote: > I built my ribs and tail parts years ago and have them stored in the > basement. Recently I found mold spots on them. They are not yet varnished. > What should I do about the mold, ignore it and paint over it, bleach it > off, or what? > Dennis > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale From: Mostly complete GN-1 project for sale. See pics. Contact me off list if interested. Brian SLC-UT 385-315-0127 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Helmets From: Steven Dortch What about adding a "bump cap" to the leather. Or the hardened and thickerr leather like that used on the hard old style leather football helmets. Steve D. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > For that much they should include a radio, ANR and a GPS slaved to a > autopilot! > > For protection at the speeds we fly a 3/4 "styrofoam" portion like the > protection in a bike helmet and then covered with leather, would be very > protective. > > Blue Skies > Steve D > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Scott Knowlton > wrote: > >> Beautiful helmets - and they are helmets with a hard shell underneath. >> I emailed them and received a beautiful brochure with a head measuring >> device. Retail is close to $2600 bucks! They'd better be beautiful. >> >> Scott Knowlton >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 10:15 AM, "Steven Dortch" >> wrote: >> >> These helmets are interesting, any idea on their cost?. Better >> protection with Kevlar shell covered by leather, built in headset, New >> Zealand company. Neat goggles and such. >> >> http://www.campbellaeroclassics.com/index.html >> >> Anyone heard of any other helmets that are more protective than just >> cloth or leather? I love the original look, but better protection would be >> nice. Even leather skydiver helmets have some padding. >> >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:13 AM, wrote: >> >>> Jack, >>> >>> Pop's Leather. I have two. Great quality and cheap price. >>> >>> Dan Helsper >>> Puryear, TN >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Fastnaught >>> To: Pietenpol List >>> Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 3:04 pm >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmets >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> I'm about to make a leather helmet and goggles purchase and would like to >>> exploit the vast knowledge that the members of this list have. I have David >>> Clark headsets and would like to use them. There are so many choices out there. >>> What seems to be the best combination? >>> I've been lurking but now would like to join in on the fun. >>> I bought a project. I have rebuilt the model A engine and hope to cover in >>> another month or so. Looking forward to flying to Brodhead next year. >>> Thanks in advance >>> Jack >>> N144JF >>> Ford powered >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>> " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>> ank">www.mrrace.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> "_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>> .com/" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>> lank">www.mrrace.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ttp://forums.matronics.com >>> * >>> >>> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:45 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Brian - Sorry to hear that you are selling.best wishes! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Mostly complete GN-1 project for sale. See pics. Contact me off list if interested. Brian SLC-UT 385-315-0127 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:40 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Beautiful work Brian; hate to see you leave it at such a complete state. Cheers, Jim B. =C2- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets From: "Larry Williams" Ditch the David Clark's and all the associated electronics, wires, weight, complication and one more source of irritation. Take a leap and fly the 1930's aeroplane like it's 1930 with a basic leather helmet or a newsboy hat worn backwards with your goggle strap holding it on or, heaven forbid, you would ever dare to fly with a bare head!!!!! -------- L.V.Williams XCG, XCMR,EPP USHPA, EAA, AMA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414941#414941 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: mold From: "womenfly2" Mold fungi live principally on the surface of wood and discolor it. However, they dont consume cellulose and therefore dont weaken the wood. So .... How to Kill Mold with Vinegar To kill mold with vinegar, use white distilled vinegar which you can buy cheaply from the supermarket. Pour some vinegar into a spray bottle without watering it down. Spray the vinegar onto the moldy surface and leave it to sit for an hour. Wipe clean the area with water and allow the surface to dry. Any smell from the vinegar should clear within a few hours. If you want to use vinegar to prevent mold growing on surfaces just spray vinegar on the surface and leave it. Repeat this every few days to ensure the surface will stay mold-free ... and its all natural. Hope this helps, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414943#414943 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:57 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets Look at all those letters after Larry's name. He's got more degrees than a thermometer! -----Original Message----- From: Larry Williams Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets Ditch the David Clark's and all the associated electronics, wires, weight, complication and one more source of irritation. Take a leap and fly the 1930's aeroplane like it's 1930 with a basic leather helmet or a newsboy hat worn backwards with your goggle strap holding it on or, heaven forbid, you would ever dare to fly with a bare head!!!!! -------- L.V.Williams XCG, XCMR,EPP USHPA, EAA, AMA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414941#414941 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:09 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets I think at least one of those is his age, in Roman numerals... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets --> Look at all those letters after Larry's name. He's got more degrees than a thermometer! -----Original Message----- From: Larry Williams Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets --> Ditch the David Clark's and all the associated electronics, wires, weight, complication and one more source of irritation. Take a leap and fly the 1930's aeroplane like it's 1930 with a basic leather helmet or a newsboy hat worn backwards with your goggle strap holding it on or, heaven forbid, you would ever dare to fly with a bare head!!!!! -------- L.V.Williams XCG, XCMR,EPP USHPA, EAA, AMA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414941#414941 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets From: "nightmare" Off subject. Larry I see ushpa... still fly hang gliders or paragliders? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414950#414950 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets From: "John Francis" I used the Lynx helmet and headset when I flew powered parachutes and will likely use it during the first 40 hours of flying in my Piet. I do like the leather and will go that way eventually. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414951#414951 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/07_relai_helmet_small_888.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Brian, thats not the plane you are building is it? -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414956#414956 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:23 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail turnbuckles Douwe, Thanks so much for the common sense commentary on the use of turnbuckles and other items. I really appreciate your approach to this topic. So far in my b uilding, I have not been too concerned about adding a little extra weight be cause this is going to be a single place Pietenpol with an A-65. However, I a m aware of where the weight might go, I.e. towards the tail. I am also tryin g to be concerned about drag, to the extent that is possible with a Pietenpo l! Having built my Waiex, I know what a "clean airplane" is and what things a re critical to this and performance. Also, having just made all the eight cables that hold the mid section on the wing above the cabane struts on the Sky Scout; I know the challenge of maki ng cables to the proper length so the turnbuckles tighten to the right point ! I refuse to count up the amount of cable, thimble s and Nicopress fittings I have wasted! But I am getting better. So, the chances of my making cables for the stabilizers so accurately they t hey require only a couple twists to fit properly is almost Zero! And of cour se, twisting only shortens the cables, it does not lengthen them! With all of that, I am sure I will be using the 1/16" cable and the eight 6- 40 small turnbuckles for the stabilizers. Also, at my age (72), I have added a step, a little extra depth to the cockp it, extra leg room (I am 6'4" tall), and plan on plenty of padding on the se at! There are also extra access panels because I do not bend well! So I am g oing for comfort, practicality and good flying qualities. Hopefully, the pl ane will outlast me and may be passed down to my grand children! Thanks for you great comments, I take them seriously! And, by the way, I lo ve RE-PIET, especially the flying pig and the exhaust, not to mention the co wling and wheels. It must be nice to be an artist! Ray Krause SkyScout abuilding.... Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2013, at 4:44 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > Hi Ray, > > In theory turnbuckles are not required for your tail surfaces. In theory, if everything was built perfectly and needed no tweaking and if you could g et the exact tension between all eight wires without turnbuckles, they would be superfluous. > > I THINK I=99ve heard of some guys just twisting the cables to make m inor adjustments and I personally can see no problem with this; should work f ine, assuming you=99re an accurate builder and you don=99t intro duce too much twist into the cables. > > HOWEVER, imho, in the real world, most of us have needed to adjust our tai l surfaces as we=99ve refined things during flight testing and a turnb uckle sure makes it easy. > > It is very wise to be concerned with every ounce of weight added, as this k ind of thinking will help fight off the =9Cweight monster=9D tha t can so easily creep up on us builders. HOWEVER, I think one should combin e weight concern with an awareness that one is building an airplane for use i n the real-world over a period of decades (hopefully). This means to me that the decision to chuck an item should be made against a backdrop of real-wor ld usage. Yes, weight does add up, but there are some things that are just w orth it. Maybe it=99s a step maybe it=99s brakes . After a year of =9Cliving=9D with RE-PIET, I am coming to realize that things that encourage maintenance and make her easier to use a re very valuable. Some things are purely optional and have little function i n making an airplane more =9Cliveable=9D, such as thicker uphols tery. Some things add weight but save money but in the end don=99t re ally affect =9Cliveability=9D such as steel rims over alloy rims . Some things will add weight, BUT do add to the =9Cliveability quoti ent=9D and these are the things which should be thought about with the coming decades in mind. =46rom my limited experience, some items that fall into this category would be turnbuckles everywhere, a step, a comfy seat, a good fuel gauge, good brakes, a harness that is easy to adjust when sitting in that tiny cockpit with winter clothes on, a well-designed cowling that =99s easy to get off, with lots of access panels etc. > > That all being said, the VAST majority of builders use turnbuckles back th ere and I would if I were building again. > > $.02 > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:26 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? Thanks, Scott. I will be looking it up. I heard of others just using hard wire. I have looked at the ones on my J-3 and the Aeronca. Wonder if they would be missed? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2013, at 7:43 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Ray, > > My tail has the (Drag and Anti Drag) wires from a Piper wing. J5 I think. Look my plane up on the west coast site. They are adjustable and very light. > > Just another option, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414910#414910 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:33 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckles for sale? Mike, Thanks for your comment. I am using the -16S AN155 barrels that are 2.5" long, I miss-typed! I like you idea of using the clip typeTB. This could be a great way to go for the stabilizers , especially with the 1/16" cables and swigged ends. I will contact you directly. Thanks again for your comments. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > > "One could MAYBE avoid some drag, weight and airflow disruption by using just the cable?" > > I like how you think Ray! One of the best places to keep weight to a minimum is, as you know, at the tail. So, it make sense to keep whatever you do put back there, light. I see you are looking at using 1/16" cable, considering the TB you mentioned. I believe Oscar uses this size cable, as am I. (I am yet to fly...) I am using TBs on the tail for the reasons Douwe has already mentioned. However, I have no experience with just using cable and twisting, so I can't comment on if they are as good, or better. If it saves weight, try it! > > You also mentioned using the -16S 4.5" long barrels. The -16S is "short" 2.25" long. If you can, use the short barrels for the weight and cost savings. > > The TB spares I have will all be the clip locking type and the cable ends are the swage on type. (Page 130 in cat.) I am not sure I have any other assembly parts, but I can check. > > If interested in having you cables swaged, we can chat off line. > > Please advise. > > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tail turnbuckles From: "taildrags" I really like Douwe's observations on turnbuckles and other "optional" (?) stuff. In fact, I like turnbuckles just for their own beauty and design. The brass barrels just look nice to the eye (mine, anyway), and a neatly safetied turnbuckle can be a work of art. I also second the comments about being able to tweak the tension and adjustment of things. I've adjusted just about every turnbuckle on Scout at one time or another. Before I had my own Piet and I was only thinking about building one, I spent quite a bit of time researching hard-wire stabilizer bracing with wrapped ferrules. I really, really like the look of those but they require patience to make properly. There is evidence that the standing part of the wire fails in tension by necking right at the ferrule, which means that the ferrule is not the weak part. I don't think I've ever seen pictures of an Air Camper with hard-wire braces made up with wrapped ferrules... just drawings and write-ups. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414960#414960 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:08 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tail turnbuckles Oscar, I have a write-up on wrapped and soldered ferrules for cable, even used some on the wing drag wires, just to try it. They work OK, and look old. Not sure how they last. Do they use the same method on hard wire? Nicopress is a lot easier! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2013, at 9:10 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > I really like Douwe's observations on turnbuckles and other "optional" (?) stuff. In fact, I like turnbuckles just for their own beauty and design. The brass barrels just look nice to the eye (mine, anyway), and a neatly safetied turnbuckle can be a work of art. I also second the comments about being able to tweak the tension and adjustment of things. I've adjusted just about every turnbuckle on Scout at one time or another. > > Before I had my own Piet and I was only thinking about building one, I spent quite a bit of time researching hard-wire stabilizer bracing with wrapped ferrules. I really, really like the look of those but they require patience to make properly. There is evidence that the standing part of the wire fails in tension by necking right at the ferrule, which means that the ferrule is not the weak part. I don't think I've ever seen pictures of an Air Camper with hard-wire braces made up with wrapped ferrules... just drawings and write-ups. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414960#414960 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.