---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/08/13: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges (Larry Williams) 2. 06:11 AM - John's wing (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: John's wing (John Francis) 4. 07:14 AM - Re: beauty shot at 25 months (John Francis) 5. 08:04 AM - Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges (regreen1954) 6. 10:31 AM - Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges (jarheadpilot82) 7. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 8. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 9. 01:16 PM - Re: beauty shot at 25 months (nightmare) 10. 06:12 PM - Rib Support Pieces (John Francis) 11. 07:40 PM - Re: Rib Support Pieces (jarheadpilot82) 12. 07:49 PM - Re: Rib Support Pieces (jarheadpilot82) 13. 08:50 PM - Re: Windshield thickness (taildrags) 14. 08:54 PM - Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges (taildrags) 15. 08:58 PM - Re: beauty shot at 25 months (taildrags) 16. 09:07 PM - Re: Rib Support Pieces (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges From: "Larry Williams" I have one of the last sets of hinges that Vi made!! They are all yours for $4500.00 and they come with a mostly complete Pietenpol Sky Scout project that includes a converted model "A" and a Forrest Lovely brass radiator. -------- L.V.Williams XCG, XCMR,EPP USHPA, EAA, AMA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415103#415103 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:58 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: John's wing Nice wing John! Another few seasons and you'll be flying! Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: John's wing From: "John Francis" Thanks Douwe. I just completed my flight training with Emerson Stewart in Waynesville. I know that is where you kept your Piet for a while. They had one of their Cubs damaged in a wind storm this year and only had one available for training. We even took the Champ up one time. That really slowed me down and I found myself flying only twice a month. Now I am talking with Martha Lunken trying to schedule the check flight around all this snow and crappy weather. I hope we get it in before the month is out. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415111#415111 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months From: "John Francis" The size really depends on the ribs you built. Here is a better shot of what I did. Just measure what you need and buy the board. I rough shaped it on a table saw and then used a hand plane to round it. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415112#415112 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/getattachmentaspx_206.jpeg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges From: "regreen1954" Larry, The price is a little steeper that I thought! :) If I was building a Scout I would jump at the chance. Thanks for responding. -------- Rich Green, CFI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415119#415119 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges From: "jarheadpilot82" When I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a great deal of time going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used to make and sell hinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if he still made them but he said no as he no longer had access to a machine shop. He did, however, suggest an alternative that just about any one could make. I have included a very rough drawing I made of his idea. No laughing at my artwork, Douwe. Your thoughts? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415131#415131 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_798.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:24 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges I have a set of hinges similar to Don's alternative design. Mine are .063 4130 and 1/2", otherwise the same, made by my friend Gary Barger. I think we got the plan from a guru at Brodhead years ago. I got a set of Don's aluminum hinges so I don't need these. They are already in primer. $25. post paid to cont US. Write me off list. Skip > [Original Message] > From: jarheadpilot82 > To: > Date: 12/8/2013 1:33:03 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges > > > When I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a great deal of time going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used to make and sell hinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if he still made them but he said no as he no longer had access to a machine shop. > > He did, however, suggest an alternative that just about any one could make. I have included a very rough drawing I made of his idea. No laughing at my artwork, Douwe. > > Your thoughts? > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415131#415131 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_798.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:30 PM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges They are sold. Skip > [Original Message] > From: skipgadd@earthlink.net > To: > Date: 12/8/2013 2:34:49 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges > > > I have a set of hinges similar to Don's alternative design. Mine are .063 > 4130 and 1/2", otherwise the same, made by my friend Gary Barger. I think > we got the plan from a guru at Brodhead years ago. I got a set of Don's > aluminum hinges so I don't need these. They are already in primer. > $25. post paid to cont US. Write me off list. > Skip > > > > [Original Message] > > From: jarheadpilot82 > > To: > > Date: 12/8/2013 1:33:03 PM > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges > > > > > > > When I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a great > deal of time going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used to > make and sell hinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if he still > made them but he said no as he no longer had access to a machine shop. > > > > He did, however, suggest an alternative that just about any one could > make. I have included a very rough drawing I made of his idea. No laughing > at my artwork, Douwe. > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > -------- > > Semper Fi, > > > > Terry Hand > > Athens, GA > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415131#415131 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_798.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months From: "nightmare" Thats amazing. No swearing. Prozac must be kicking in. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415150#415150 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Support Pieces From: "John Francis" I might be able to check the archives if I knew the proper name for these longitudinal rib supports. Some have them and some dont. I dont see them in the plans and was wondering if they are necessary? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415161#415161 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0917_182.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces From: "jarheadpilot82" John, I think they are typically referred to as, simply, verticals. But I did not check the archives either. [Wink] -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415167#415167 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces From: "jarheadpilot82" Stringers, I bellieve is the correct term, although, someone please chime in if I am incorrect. The attached screenshot is from page 1-13 of the Handbook linked below- http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aircraft/amt_airframe_handbook/media/ama_ch01.pdf -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415168#415168 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2013_12_08_at_104635_pm_919.png ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshield thickness From: "taildrags" I've been working on various squawks and "upgrades" (?) to my airplane. One thing that was bugging me was a slight fuel leak at one of the fittings on the tank, which is inside the front cockpit, and it is a royal pain to work down under there by climbing into the cockpit inverted and in the shape of a pretzel. So, I bit the bullet and pulled off the top cowling so I could pull the fuel tank to rework the shutoff valve and tank fittings. While I had the top cowling off, I figured I might as well make a new front windscreen since it's got a bit of crazing and scratches that make it nearly impossible to see through when flying into the sun. And flying into the sun is where I'm most vulnerable to the raking fire from the Hun's machine guns ;o) There are also some cracks starting to spread out from the holes where the mounting bolts (AN3) are, along the base. The windscreens on my airplane are .125" Plexiglas and are quite stiff. Based on the discussion here on the list last month, I decided to try .080" thick plexi this time, since the 1/8" stuff is very hard to bend into the required arc, and it seems like the forced bend has contributed to the cracks at the mounting holes. I bought a 2'x2' piece of .080" plexi from Aircraft Spruce for $11.85 and laid out the old windscreen on it as a template. Turns out I can get two windscreens out of this piece of plexi, so I think I'm going to just go ahead and replace both front and back and get it over with. Today I cut out the first one with my Dremel, using the small abrasive cutoff wheels that you can get for them. Piece of cake. Once I get them installed and flying, I'll report back on any differences in stiffness or deflection in flight, but I don't think there will be any. Not bad... 6 bucks apiece for new windscreens. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415169#415169 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges From: "taildrags" Does anyone have a photo of the hinges that Vi used to sell? Just the hinges, not installed in place yet? Thanks. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415170#415170 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months From: "taildrags" The slick way seems to be to use stair handrail stock for the leading edge. I believe this is what Mike Cuy and others have done. The majority of the shaping is already done, and besides some minor smoothing, it only requires one angled cut through the table saw to get it ready to attach to the rib noses. Now, I have no idea if handrail material weighs more than just spruce stock (probably), but the effort to shape it is reduced. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415171#415171 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces From: "taildrags" I believe someone on this list posted that rather than fiddle with wood pieces for 'stringers', they used some of that fiberglass-reinforced plastic strapping tape that cardboard boxes are sometimes banded with. Not the sticky tape that comes on a roll... the stiff white or black stuff. Weighs next to nothing and you could probably tow a car with it. I'm just not sure it's necessary to use those stringers, since the ribs are all laced to the fabric. The ribs don't have the ability to shift or deflect once they are laced in place. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415172#415172 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.