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1. 02:07 AM - Aluminium Leading Edges (Peter Johnson)
2. 03:24 AM - Re: Re: beauty shot at 25 months (danhelsper@aol.com)
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4. 04:29 AM - Re: Re: beauty shot at 25 months (Jack)
5. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: beauty shot at 25 months (Jack Phillips)
6. 05:24 AM - Re: Aluminium Leading Edges (Gary Boothe)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges (Bill Church)
8. 05:51 AM - Re: beauty shot at 25 months (John Francis)
9. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Rib Support Pieces (Ryan Mueller)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: Aluminium Leading Edges (l.morlock)
11. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: beauty shot at 25 months (Ken Bickers)
12. 10:40 AM - fuselage side (aviken)
13. 11:23 AM - Re: Aluminium Leading Edges (proplock)
14. 11:30 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 12/08/13 (Bruce Kirk)
15. 11:43 AM - Re: fuselage side (Bill Church)
16. 12:04 PM - Re: fuselage side (womenfly2)
17. 12:09 PM - Re: Rib Support Pieces (womenfly2)
18. 01:56 PM - Re: fuselage side (aviken)
19. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: fuselage side (Ken Bickers)
20. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: fuselage side (Ned Lebens)
21. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: fuselage side (Crandall Eldredge)
22. 04:00 PM - Re: beauty shot at 25 months (Braniff1966)
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| Subject: | Aluminium Leading Edges |
Hi Guys,
I am getting ready to cover my wings and, as mentioned previously, they
have aluminium leading edges. I have cleaned them with Goof Off (very
good stuff) and are looking good.
The problem I now have is that some of the nails (brads) that were used to
hold the ally to the ribs have become loose. They are longer that the
thickness of the rib caps trip and probably wont hold if I replaced them.
The brads holding the ally to the spar are fine.
The leading edge will be covered with anti-chafe tape, felt and then
fabric. I will be using the Stewart System.
Anybody have any ideas as to what I should do with the rib brads? I did
think I would put a couple of new rows of brads in the leading edge and
remove the loose ones.
What do you think?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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| Subject: | Re: beauty shot at 25 months |
One of the more satisfying wood-shaping exercises were those loooong block
plane strokes all the way across the 29 ft. of one-piece leading edge. I ha
d initially run that rectangular LE spruce piece thru the table saw a coupl
e of times to get some of the meat off, then took after it with the block p
lane. Still savoring the moment.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
The slick way seems to be to use stair handrail stock for the leading edge.
I
believe this is what Mike Cuy and others have done. The majority of the sh
aping
is already done, and besides some minor smoothing, it only requires one ang
led
cut through the table saw to get it ready to attach to the rib noses. Now,
I
have no idea if handrail material weighs more than just spruce stock (proba
bly),
but the effort to shape it is reduced.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges |
Here's a photo from West Coast Piet.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: beauty shot at 25 months |
John beautiful work on the wings! Also like the design on the benches. Is that
1" material that faces the front? Would you have a sketch?
Take Care,
Jack
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
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Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
Thought I would tag on to Bobs post with my completed wing. This one is ready
to go on the wall until next Spring when I will varnish it. Sure am looking forward
to starting on the fuselage.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: beauty shot at 25 months |
I agree, Dan. I had the same experience, walking down the leading edge of
my wing with a block plane, shaving off spruce. The whole process took
maybe 15 minutes, and spruce is MUCH lighter than a pine stair handrail.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
One of the more satisfying wood-shaping exercises were those loooong block
plane strokes all the way across the 29 ft. of one-piece leading edge. I had
initially run that rectangular LE spruce piece thru the table saw a couple
of times to get some of the meat off, then took after it with the block
plane. Still savoring the moment.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
The slick way seems to be to use stair handrail stock for the leading edge.
I
believe this is what Mike Cuy and others have done. The majority of the
shaping
is already done, and besides some minor smoothing, it only requires one
angled
cut through the table saw to get it ready to attach to the rib noses. Now,
I
have no idea if handrail material weighs more than just spruce stock
(probably),
but the effort to shape it is reduced.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Aluminium Leading Edges |
Your solution would be mine!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminium Leading Edges
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Hi Guys,
I am getting ready to cover my wings and, as mentioned previously, they have
aluminium leading edges. I have cleaned them with Goof Off (very good
stuff) and are looking good.
The problem I now have is that some of the nails (brads) that were used to
hold the ally to the ribs have become loose. They are longer that the
thickness of the rib caps trip and probably wont hold if I replaced them.
The brads holding the ally to the spar are fine.
The leading edge will be covered with anti-chafe tape, felt and then fabric.
I will be using the Stewart System.
Anybody have any ideas as to what I should do with the rib brads? I did
think I would put a couple of new rows of brads in the leading edge and
remove the loose ones.
What do you think?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges |
The "U-channel" hinges mentioned by Terry and Skip are much easier to fabricate
than the plans version. There's no welding required, and they're easier to install,
since they're not so tiny and fiddly (that's a technical term). When
I made mine, I had borrowed the idea from Jim Markle, who had borrowed it from
the Fly Baby design. The original Fly Baby design is quite a bit larger, and
results in a noticeable gap. I made mine smaller, and tried to minimize the
gap. Mine are 1/2" wide, and a little under 2" long (1 15/16" to be precise)-
designed to utilize a MS20392-2C-65 clevis pin (3/16" diameter, 2 1/32" effective
length). I fabricated mine from 16ga (.06") stainless steel, which I had
on hand, but 4130 would work just as well. They could even be made from thinner
material (18ga). Attached are a few images.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: beauty shot at 25 months |
jack(at)textors.com wrote:
> John beautiful work on the wings! Also like the design on the benches. Is that
1" material that faces the front? Would you have a sketch?
> Take Care,
> Jack
>
> Jack Textor
> West Des Moines, IA
>
>
> --
Jack,
These are the EAA standardized work benches. Here is a link to the plans and a sketch.http://www.eaa.org/chapters/resources/articles/work_tables.pdf
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Support Pieces |
Or just use the intended tape for the intended purpose :-)
http://www.stewartsystems.aero/products/130/inter-rib-brace-tape-12x36-yd
http://www.ceconite.com/articlesecuring.htm (7th paragraph down)
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:06 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I believe someone on this list posted that rather than fiddle with wood
> pieces for 'stringers', they used some of that fiberglass-reinforced
> plastic strapping tape that cardboard boxes are sometimes banded with. Not
> the sticky tape that comes on a roll... the stiff white or black stuff.
> Weighs next to nothing and you could probably tow a car with it.
>
> I'm just not sure it's necessary to use those stringers, since the ribs
> are all laced to the fabric. The ribs don't have the ability to shift or
> deflect once they are laced in place.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415172#415172
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminium Leading Edges |
I used ring shank nails made of silicon bronze, which reportedly resist
woking out and resist corrosion. They can be purchased from
www.greenboatstuff.com, but with all the boatbuilders down under, you might
find them locally.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 5:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminium Leading Edges
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am getting ready to cover my wings and, as mentioned previously, they
> have aluminium leading edges. I have cleaned them with Goof Off (very
> good stuff) and are looking good.
>
> The problem I now have is that some of the nails (brads) that were used to
> hold the ally to the ribs have become loose. They are longer that the
> thickness of the rib caps trip and probably wont hold if I replaced them.
> The brads holding the ally to the spar are fine.
>
> The leading edge will be covered with anti-chafe tape, felt and then
> fabric. I will be using the Stewart System.
>
> Anybody have any ideas as to what I should do with the rib brads? I did
> think I would put a couple of new rows of brads in the leading edge and
> remove the loose ones.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://repiet.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: beauty shot at 25 months |
I agree. Making long, curled shavings is one of the most satisfying
aspects of building a wooden airplane.
For me, plan A for my leading edges was the use of a staircase rail. I
looked high and low for rails that were in the Mikee recommended shape and
long enough (14 feet for my wing panels) but was unsuccessful in finding
anything locally that fit the bill.
Plan B was to use long pieces of Sitka Spruce. My spars came from Aircraft
Spruce and were gorgeous. The shipping cost was very high. Had I thought
to buy the pieces for the leading edges at the same time, I suspect the
shipping for the leading edge stock would have been a trivial addition to
the cost of shipping the spars. So Plan B went the way of Plan A.
Plan C was to go with an alternative local solution. I was able to find a
couple of long straight grained pieces of Western Hemlock at one of the
local lumber/hardware stores. The planks were nominally 1" by 5", but
finished were 3/4" by 4 3/4". Using epoxy glue, I laminated the two pieces
face-to-face, then using my table saw (I don't have a bandsaw) ripped them
into long sections to rough out a trapezoid cross-section. A few hours of
quiet work with the hand plane and they were ready to mount.
I spent far more time trying to identify the solution to the leading edges
than actually fabricating them. Isn't that too often the case?
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>wrote:
> I agree, Dan. I had the same experience, walking down the leading
> edge of my wing with a block plane, shaving off spruce. The whole process
> took maybe 15 minutes, and spruce is MUCH lighter than a pine stair
> handrail.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> danhelsper@aol.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 09, 2013 6:24 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
>
>
> One of the more satisfying wood-shaping exercises were those loooong block
> plane strokes all the way across the 29 ft. of one-piece leading edge. I
> had initially run that rectangular LE spruce piece thru the table saw a
> couple of times to get some of the meat off, then took after it with the
> block plane. Still savoring the moment.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
>
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 10:59 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
>
>
>
> The slick way seems to be to use stair handrail stock for the leading edge.
I
>
> believe this is what Mike Cuy and others have done. The majority of the shaping
>
> is already done, and besides some minor smoothing, it only requires one angled
>
> cut through the table saw to get it ready to attach to the rib noses. Now, I
>
> have no idea if handrail material weighs more than just spruce stock (probably),
>
> but the effort to shape it is reduced.
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415171#415171
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Ive finished the first side of my fuselage, and I want to take it out of the jig
clamps, but I haven't installed any gussets. Do you think it will pull the
top joints loose? The glue joints look good but there isn't much surface area
on the end of the struts. I know Bernard suggested wrapping wire around the
ends , but is that necessary with T88 glue ? I wanted to wait and turn the side
over to put on the gussets so I could put them on the top side of next piece.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminium Leading Edges |
What size nails? 15?
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Hi all; if someone can send me drawings or photos of the hinges that Vi cap
pler made I own a machine shop and fabrication facility. I could make a pro
duction run and sell them at a reasonable price. Also I have a lot of .063
4130 sheet with slight water damage to surface. I can shear to size for you
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wing=0AFrom: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>=0A=0A=0AThanks Douwe.-
I just completed my flight training with Emerson Stewart in Waynesville.=0A
I know that is where you kept your Piet for a while.- They had one of=0At
heir Cubs damaged in a wind storm this year and only had one available for
=0Atraining. We even took the Champ up one time.- That really slowed me d
own and=0AI found myself flying only twice a month.- Now I am talking wit
h Martha Lunken=0Atrying to schedule the check flight around all this snow
and crappy weather.=0AI hope we get it in before the month is out.=0A=0A---
-----=0AJohn Francis=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum
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=0ATime: 07:14:43 AM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 2
5 months=0AFrom: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>=0A=0A=0AThe size reall
y depends on the ribs you built.- Here is a better shot of what I=0Adid.
- Just measure what you need and buy the board.- I rough shaped it on a
table=0Asaw and then used a hand plane to round it.=0A=0A--------=0AJohn F
rancis=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
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tor Hinges=0AFrom: "regreen1954" <rgreen4@sbcglobal.net>=0A=0A=0ALarry,=0AT
he price is a little steeper that I thought! :) If I was building a Scout I
would=0Ajump at the chance.- Thanks for responding.=0A=0A--------=0ARich
Green, CFI=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matroni
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:31:34 AM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges
=0AFrom: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A=0A=0AWhen I was a
t Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a great deal of=0Atime
going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used to make and sell
=0Ahinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if he still made them
but=0Ahe said no as he no longer had access to a machine shop. =0A=0AHe did
, however, suggest an alternative that just about any one could make. I hav
e=0Aincluded a very rough drawing I made of his idea. No laughing at my art
work,=0ADouwe.=0A=0AYour thoughts?=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Ha
nd=0AAthens, GA=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.mat
ronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415131#415131=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp:
//forums.matronics.com//files/image_798.jpg=0A=0A=0A_______________________
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e: 11:33:24 AM PST US=0AFrom: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.
net>=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges=0A=0A=0A
I have a set of hinges similar to Don's alternative design. Mine are .063
=0A4130 and 1/2", otherwise the same, made by my friend Gary Barger. I thin
k=0Awe got the plan from a guru at Brodhead years ago. I got a set of Don's
=0Aaluminum hinges so I don't need these. They are already in primer.=0A$25
. post paid to cont US. Write me off list.=0ASkip=0A=0A=0A> [Original Messa
ge]=0A> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A> To: <pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com>=0A> Date: 12/8/2013 1:33:03 PM=0A> Subject: Pietenpol
-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges=0A>=0A<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A
>=0A> When I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a gre
at=0Adeal of time going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don use
d to=0Amake and sell hinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if h
e still=0Amade them but he said no as he no longer had access to a machine
shop. =0A>=0A> He did, however, suggest an alternative that just about any
one could=0Amake. I have included a very rough drawing I made of his idea.
No laughing=0Aat my artwork, Douwe.=0A>=0A> Your thoughts?=0A>=0A> --------
=0A> Semper Fi,=0A>=0A> Terry Hand=0A> Athens, GA=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this top
ic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41513
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es/image_798.jpg=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Messag
e 8- _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 12:36:30 PM PST
US=0AFrom: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>=0ASubject: RE:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges=0A=0A=0AThey are sold.=0ASk
ip=0A=0A=0A> [Original Message]=0A> From: skipgadd@earthlink.net <skipgadd@
earthlink.net>=0A> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0A> Date: 12/8/2013 2
:34:49 PM=0A> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges
=0A>=0A<skipgadd@earthlink.net>=0A>=0A> I have a set of hinges similar to D
on's alternative design. Mine are .063=0A> 4130 and 1/2", otherwise the sam
e, made by my friend Gary Barger. I think=0A> we got the plan from a guru a
t Brodhead years ago. I got a set of Don's=0A> aluminum hinges so I don't n
eed these. They are already in primer.=0A> $25. post paid to cont US. Write
me off list.=0A> Skip=0A>=0A>=0A> > [Original Message]=0A> > From: jarhead
pilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.co
m>=0A> > Date: 12/8/2013 1:33:03 PM=0A> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudd
er and Elevator Hinges=0A> >=0A> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A> >=0A> > W
hen I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a great=0A>
deal of time going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used to
=0A> make and sell hinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if he
=0Astill=0A> made them but he said no as he no longer had access to a machi
ne shop. =0A> >=0A> > He did, however, suggest an alternative that just abo
ut any one could=0A> make. I have included a very rough drawing I made of h
is idea. No laughing=0A> at my artwork, Douwe.=0A> >=0A> > Your thoughts?
=0A> >=0A> > --------=0A> > Semper Fi,=0A> >=0A> > Terry Hand=0A> > Athens,
GA=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Read this topic online here:=0A> >=0A> >
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415131#415131=0A> >=0A> >=0A>
>=0A> >=0A> > Attachments: =0A> >=0A> > http://forums.matronics.com//files
/image_798.jpg=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A________
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___=0A=0A=0ATime: 01:16:58 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty
shot at 25 months=0AFrom: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>=0A=0A=0A
Thats amazing. No swearing. Prozac must be kicking in.=0A=0A--------=0APaul
Donahue=0AStarted 8-3-12=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online h
ere:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415150#415150=0A=0A
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Rib Support Pieces=0AFrom: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>=0A=0A=0AI mi
ght be able to check the archives if I knew the proper name for these longi
tudinal=0Arib supports.- Some have them and some dont. I dont see them in
the plans=0Aand was wondering if they are necessary?=0A=0A--------=0AJohn
Francis=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.c
om/viewtopic.php?p=415161#415161=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums
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:40:45 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces=0AFrom:
"jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A=0A=0AJohn,=0A=0AI think th
ey are typically referred to as, simply, verticals.=0A=0ABut I did not chec
k the archives either. [Wink]=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0A
Athens, GA=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic
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49:48 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces=0AFrom: "
jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A=0A=0AStringers, I bellieve
is the correct term, although, someone please chime in if=0AI am incorrect.
=0A=0AThe attached screenshot is from page 1-13 of the Handbook linked belo
w-=0A=0Ahttp://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aircraft/
amt_airframe_handbook/media/ama_ch01.pdf=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATe
rry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru
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__________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 08:50:58 PM PST US=0ASubject: Piet
enpol-List: Re: Windshield thickness=0AFrom: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail
.com>=0A=0A=0AI've been working on various squawks and "upgrades" (?) to my
airplane.- One thing=0Athat was bugging me was a slight fuel leak at one
of the fittings on the tank,=0Awhich is inside the front cockpit, and it i
s a royal pain to work down under=0Athere by climbing into the cockpit inve
rted and in the shape of a pretzel.=0ASo, I bit the bullet and pulled off t
he top cowling so I could pull the fuel=0Atank to rework the shutoff valve
and tank fittings.=0A=0AWhile I had the top cowling off, I figured I might
as well make a new front windscreen=0Asince it's got a bit of crazing and s
cratches that make it nearly impossible=0Ato see through when flying into t
he sun.- And flying into the sun is where=0AI'm most vulnerable to the ra
king fire from the Hun's machine guns ;o)- There=0Aare also some cracks s
tarting to spread out from the holes where the mounting=0Abolts (AN3) are,
along the base.- The windscreens on my airplane are .125"=0APlexiglas and
are quite stiff.=0A=0ABased on the discussion here on the list last month,
I decided to try .080" thick=0Aplexi this time, since the 1/8" stuff is ve
ry hard to bend into the required=0Aarc, and it seems like the forced bend
has contributed to the cracks at the=0Amounting holes.- I bought a 2'x2'
piece of .080" plexi from Aircraft Spruce for=0A$11.85 and laid out the old
windscreen on it as a template.- Turns out I can=0Aget two windscreens o
ut of this piece of plexi, so I think I'm going to just=0Ago ahead and repl
ace both front and back and get it over with.- Today I cut out=0Athe firs
t one with my Dremel, using the small abrasive cutoff wheels that you=0Acan
get for them.- Piece of cake.- Once I get them installed and flying, I
'll=0Areport back on any differences in stiffness or deflection in flight,
but I don't=0Athink there will be any.- Not bad... 6 bucks apiece for new
windscreens.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41C
C "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ah
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___=0A=0A=0ATime: 08:54:19 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder
and Elevator Hinges=0AFrom: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A=0A=0ADoe
s anyone have a photo of the hinges that Vi used to sell?- Just the hinge
s,=0Anot installed in place yet?=0A=0AThanks.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga
=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0ARe
ad this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
=415170#415170=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 15-
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ject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months=0AFrom: "taildrags" <tai
ldrags@hotmail.com>=0A=0A=0AThe slick way seems to be to use stair handrail
stock for the leading edge.- I=0Abelieve this is what Mike Cuy and other
s have done.- The majority of the shaping=0Ais already done, and besides
some minor smoothing, it only requires one angled=0Acut through the table s
aw to get it ready to attach to the rib noses.- Now,=0AI have no idea if
handrail material weighs more than just spruce stock (probably),=0Abut the
effort to shape it is reduced.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR
=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0ARead this topic
online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415171#4151
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l-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces=0AFrom: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
=0A=0A=0AI believe someone on this list posted that rather than fiddle with
wood pieces=0Afor 'stringers', they used some of that fiberglass-reinforce
d plastic strapping=0Atape that cardboard boxes are sometimes banded with.
- Not the sticky tape that=0Acomes on a roll... the stiff white or black
stuff.- Weighs next to nothing=0Aand you could probably tow a car with it
.=0A=0AI'm just not sure it's necessary to use those stringers, since the r
ibs are all=0Alaced to the fabric.- The ribs don't have the ability to sh
ift or deflect once=0Athey are laced in place.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga
=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0ARe
ad this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
Here's a question:
Why would you not install any gussets?
Pretty much all of the joint strength comes from the gussets. And the tension
in the curved bottom longeron will want to pull the joints apart. I would suggest
installing all of the gussets (except the BIG cockpit sides, which should
be left off as long as possible) on your fuselage sides while still in the jig.
Make sure you make one right hand and one left hand fuselage side.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
Install the gussets.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Support Pieces |
The inner "X" lacing with cotton tape was done just to hold the ribs in position
and stop them from moving while the covering was applied. As stated above, once
stitched to the covering they are redundant.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
I wanted to use my jig as is for the other side, if so wouldn't I have to put the
gussets underneath one side or the other . I know the small gussets go on
the inside from the firewall to the pilot seat back then both sides back to the
tail. I guess I could re-do my jig for a mirror image of the first side, so
I could tack the gussets on the out side. Does my thinking make any sense?
And I did want to wait till much later to put the big gusset in place.
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
One option is to put the small interior gussets on one side and the full outside
ply panel on the other. You'd sacrifice some access, but only some. (Don't
tell anyone but I covered both sides completely and still somehow managed.) Cheers,
Ken
On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> I wanted to use my jig as is for the other side, if so wouldn't I have to put
the gussets underneath one side or the other . I know the small gussets go on
the inside from the firewall to the pilot seat back then both sides back to
the tail. I guess I could re-do my jig for a mirror image of the first side,
so I could tack the gussets on the out side. Does my thinking make any sense?
And I did want to wait till much later to put the big gusset in place.
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
When I glued up my fuselage sides in the jig, I only put gussets on the
top, not underneath. I also left the plywood sides off. This means that
when I glued up the left side, there were no gussets from the firewall to
the pilot's seat back. I didn't have any problems with the glue joints
(using T88) opening up. Will be finishing up the right side tonight.
Ned Lebens
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:55 PM, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> I wanted to use my jig as is for the other side, if so wouldn't I have to
> put the gussets underneath one side or the other . I know the small
> gussets go on the inside from the firewall to the pilot seat back then both
> sides back to the tail. I guess I could re-do my jig for a mirror image of
> the first side, so I could tack the gussets on the out side. Does my
> thinking make any sense? And I did want to wait till much later to put the
> big gusset in place.
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
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> One option is to put the small interior gussets on one side and the full
> outside ply panel on the other. You'd sacrifice some access, but only
> some. (Don't tell anyone but I covered both sides completely and still
> somehow managed.) Cheers, Ken
>
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> to put the gussets underneath one side or the other . I know the small
> gussets go on the inside from the firewall to the pilot seat back then both
> sides back to the tail. I guess I could re-do my jig for a mirror image of
> the first side, so I could tack the gussets on the out side. Does my
> thinking make any sense? And I did want to wait till much later to put the
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my ribs are stock... thanks for the info
jim]
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
Aviken,
I would use the same jig to make sure both sides are the same.
For one side install the gusset plates while in the jig.
For the other side use the wire tie to quarantee the joints don't part
before removing from jig and until you install the gusset plates.
Simple.
JohnW
Perth, Australia
On 10 December 2013 07:55, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> I wanted to use my jig as is for the other side, if so wouldn't I have to
> put the gussets underneath one side or the other . I know the small
> gussets go on the inside from the firewall to the pilot seat back then both
> sides back to the tail. I guess I could re-do my jig for a mirror image of
> the first side, so I could tack the gussets on the out side. Does my
> thinking make any sense? And I did want to wait till much later to put the
> big gusset in place.
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
Thanks everyone, I am going to wire the ends of the longerons together and carefully
swap sides then tack and glue the gussets in place. Then the next side
will be easy.
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Crandall - you need to unsubscribe using the matronics link at the bottom of
the page.
Gary Boothe
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
One option is to put the small interior gussets on one side and the full
outside ply panel on the other. You'd sacrifice some access, but only some.
(Don't tell anyone but I covered both sides completely and still somehow
managed.) Cheers, Ken
On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> I wanted to use my jig as is for the other side, if so wouldn't I have to
put the gussets underneath one side or the other . I know the small gussets
go on the inside from the firewall to the pilot seat back then both sides
back to the tail. I guess I could re-do my jig for a mirror image of the
first side, so I could tack the gussets on the out side. Does my thinking
make any sense? And I did want to wait till much later to put the big
gusset in place.
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
We have always glued the fuselage sides up in the same jig. No gussets. Then sand
them on both sides with a big flat sanding block, like a 1x4, to clean and
true up everything. At that point make a left and right side by adding gussets
and side sheeting. It's worked four times. :D
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage side |
do like the guys say...install gussets at major points. t88 is a great glue.
hyde
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