---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/18/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Suspended Propeller Balance (Michael Perez) 2. 06:34 AM - Re: Suspended Propeller Balance (GNflyer) 3. 07:05 AM - Schmitar Origin (Michael Perez) 4. 07:09 AM - Schimitar Origin (Michael Perez) 5. 09:55 AM - Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA (bdewenter) 6. 10:12 AM - Re: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA (Gary Boothe) 7. 11:21 AM - Re: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA (AircamperN11MS) 8. 12:35 PM - Re: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA (Michael Groah) 9. 06:58 PM - Re: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA (Jim Boyer) 10. 07:32 PM - Re: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA (Michael Groah) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:56 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Suspended Propeller Balance Crew, I thought I would take a moment to share how I balanced my propeller. Probably not for everyone, but for your consideration: I started as most due with using a shaft through the prop. hub and "rolling" the assembly on a level surface to find the off balance. The first picture shows the setup I made to perform this type of balance. I used a large piece of aluminum channel and modified it to fit my camera tri-pod. The tri-pod itself has bubble levels built in it, but I also used a couple other levels on the channel itself. I won't go into any further detail here, but there are numerous things that could be done to improve my set-up and had I continued down this path, I would have made some changes. While starting to do the balance, I was not entirely pleased with doing so in this fashion, so I proceeded to plan "B". Plan "B" was to use a suspended balance like the off the shelf "Buzz Master". So, I fabricated my own with some added features and ended up with the items shown in the attached photos. There are a lot of factors to consider and variables that need to be sorted out prior to fabrication, but that can be covered at a later time. The entire assembly is suspended from my drill press. The last few shots show the added nuts/washers used to get the prop. in balance and how the string on top and the bubble on the bottom confirm the prop. is now good both tip to tip and across the hub. All items...including the tapered hub...were marked and identified as to their clocking and location, (which you may note in the "exploded view" picture) so that final assembly on the engine would be done correctly and the balance would be correct. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Suspended Propeller Balance From: "GNflyer" great pictures! and again a very helpful explanation on your approach to balancing-thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415816#415816 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:23 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Schmitar Origin If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:54 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Schimitar Origin Sorry... double pumped the enter button and my post was sent... I was asked off line about the curve of my propeller. I had no answers, so here is a snoppet I found on the web that be be interesting to some: "A scimitar propeller is shaped like a scimitar sword, with increasing sweep along the leading edge. Typically scimitar propellers are constructed of lightweight or composite materials. In the early 1900s they were made of laminated wood. The combination of light weight and efficient aerodynamics results in more power and reduced noise." "A method of decreasing wave drag was discovered by German researchers in WWII: sweeping the wing backward. Today, almost all aircraft designed to fly much above 450 mph (700 km/h) use a swept wing. In the 1940s, NACA started researching propellers with similar sweep. Since the inside of the prop is moving more slowly than the outside, the blade becomes progressively more swept toward the outside, leading to a curved shape similar to that of a scimitar." If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA From: "bdewenter" Since the list is a little slow I thought I would let you all know about my recent visit to the Frazier Lake Airport for a personal tour of Charlie Millers' (the Pietenpol Ambassador of Morgan Hill CA) fabulous Pietenpol. Frazier Lake Airport has been the host to the West Coast Piet gathering, and now I know why - its a wonderfull place. I have seen many beautiful Piets equal in craftsmanship but none better than Charles' - It's outstanding in workmanship and detail. Some photos are available on the west coast site here. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Charlie%20Miller/pictures.htm Check out the web site for Frazier lake airport (or is is a living museum of classic aircraft?). There a a lot of classic airplanes including one in Charles hanger next to his Piet - Beautiful! The first Saturday of each month is an "antique aircraft display day" - If you are ever in the area of San Jose / Morgan Hill CA pick a first Saturday to visit the airport and bring a camera. http://frazierlake.com/ The Piet gathering must be excellent event also. I just need to find an excuse to be in SanJose or Morgan Hill for the next one! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415825#415825 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:53 AM PST US From: Gary Boothe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA Glad you got to meet up with Charlie! His build story is as nice as his Piet, and you were definitely rubbing shoulders with The Best of the west coast bunch! Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:54 AM, "bdewenter" wrote: > > > Since the list is a little slow I thought I would let you all know about my recent visit to the Frazier Lake Airport for a personal tour of Charlie Millers' (the Pietenpol Ambassador of Morgan Hill CA) fabulous Pietenpol. > > Frazier Lake Airport has been the host to the West Coast Piet gathering, and now I know why - its a wonderfull place. > > I have seen many beautiful Piets equal in craftsmanship but none better than Charles' - It's outstanding in workmanship and detail. Some photos are available on the west coast site here. > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Charlie%20Miller/pictures.htm > > Check out the web site for Frazier lake airport (or is is a living museum of classic aircraft?). There a a lot of classic airplanes including one in Charles hanger next to his Piet - Beautiful! The first Saturday of each month is an "antique aircraft display day" - If you are ever in the area of San Jose / Morgan Hill CA pick a first Saturday to visit the airport and bring a camera. > > http://frazierlake.com/ > > The Piet gathering must be excellent event also. I just need to find an excuse to be in SanJose or Morgan Hill for the next one! > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415825#415825 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA From: "AircamperN11MS" Exactly what Gary said. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415829#415829 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA From: Michael Groah Great guy, great plane, great airport! June 7th 2014( first Saturday of June) is the next West Coast Pietenpol Gathering. Mike Groah 414MV Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:54 AM, "bdewenter" wrote: > > > Since the list is a little slow I thought I would let you all know about my recent visit to the Frazier Lake Airport for a personal tour of Charlie Millers' (the Pietenpol Ambassador of Morgan Hill CA) fabulous Pietenpol. > > Frazier Lake Airport has been the host to the West Coast Piet gathering, and now I know why - its a wonderfull place. > > I have seen many beautiful Piets equal in craftsmanship but none better than Charles' - It's outstanding in workmanship and detail. Some photos are available on the west coast site here. > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Charlie%20Miller/pictures.htm > > Check out the web site for Frazier lake airport (or is is a living museum of classic aircraft?). There a a lot of classic airplanes including one in Charles hanger next to his Piet - Beautiful! The first Saturday of each month is an "antique aircraft display day" - If you are ever in the area of San Jose / Morgan Hill CA pick a first Saturday to visit the airport and bring a camera. > > http://frazierlake.com/ > > The Piet gathering must be excellent event also. I just need to find an excuse to be in SanJose or Morgan Hill for the next one! > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415825#415825 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:17 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA Charlie and his family are also the co-host with Mike Groah of the West Coast Piet Flyin. His hangar is the official Piet gathering place and luncheon site. Cheers to Charlie. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thank you Piet Ambassodor of Morgan Hill CA From: Michael Groah I don't do much but send out the info and reminders. Charlie and his wonde rful family do all the work. Mike Groah Tulare CA Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Charlie and his family are also the co-host with Mike Groah of the West Co ast Piet Flyin. His hangar is the official Piet gathering place and luncheon site. > Cheers to Charlie. > Jim B. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.