Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 12/20/13


Total Messages Posted: 28



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:38 AM - Re: prop finish (womenfly2)
     2. 05:26 AM - Back copy of Sport Aviation (Lawrence Williams)
     3. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: prop finish (Michael Perez)
     4. 06:28 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (AircamperN11MS)
     5. 07:19 AM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
     6. 07:19 AM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
     7. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: prop finish (Michael Perez)
     8. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: prop finish (Scott Knowlton)
     9. 07:58 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (tkreiner)
    10. 08:00 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (Ken Bickers)
    11. 08:01 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (tkreiner)
    12. 08:13 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (Gary Boothe)
    13. 08:18 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (Ken Bickers)
    14. 08:32 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
    15. 08:54 AM - Cold Flights (AircamperN11MS)
    16. 09:26 AM - Re: Cold Flights (airlion2@gmail.com)
    17. 09:38 AM - Re: Cold Flights (AircamperN11MS)
    18. 09:42 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (jarheadpilot82)
    19. 09:48 AM - Re: Cold Flights (Dick N)
    20. 11:45 AM - Re: Cold Flights (shad bell)
    21. 12:11 PM - Re: prop finish (womenfly2)
    22. 12:13 PM - Re: Cold Flights (womenfly2)
    23. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Cold Flights (Steve Emo)
    24. 01:40 PM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (dgaldrich)
    25. 06:16 PM - Re: Cold Flights (Jack Phillips)
    26. 07:35 PM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
    27. 08:32 PM - Re: prop finish (Braniff1966)
    28. 11:14 PM - Re: Re: prop finish (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:38:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    >From the picture the tool marks are not "dimples" nor are they " VG's". I doubt that long longitudinal concave tooling marks from front to back on the blade surface do anything to improve prop performance. In fact they may induce more surface drag do to the fact that they are generating non-directed turbulent boundary layers that have energy and are then dissipated into the air flow causing boundary separation degrading blade performance. If this was such a big performance improvement, then why have the top propeller makes been using and designing this feature on all there propellers. Simple, it has a negative effect with no performance gain. With all do respect .... I think it is a little snake oil selling here. JMHO ~ WF2. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415895#415895


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    Time: 05:26:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    If any of you hoarder types happen to have the Jan 2004 issue of Sport Aviation, I would like to talk to you! Seems I gave a copy to my 90 yr old uncle only to discover that it was my last one. So (pure vanity on my part), I would like a copy for myself. Please help a recovering curmudgeon relive the glory days of his ancient past this Christmas season. T. C. Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 05:37:27 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    You could very well be correct! Either way, I was buying a Cloud Car prop. and either way, I was going to buy it in the rough and finish it myself, so I am not sure what Jay would be gaining from selling me said snake oil. I would be willing someday, to swap my propeller onto another Pietenpol using a smooth Cloud Car prop. and do a direct side by side comparison. Could very well be a bunch of hooey. However, if needed, a good sanding and re-finish would not be all that big of a deal down the road. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:28:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Sorry Larry. MI don't have min either. Perhaps EAA has past issues for sale???? Merry Christmas and I hope you find one. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415902#415902


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    Time: 07:19:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48@yahoo.com>
    thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait on the thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what wood they are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when it gets here I'll have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415905#415905


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    Time: 07:19:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48@yahoo.com>
    thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait on the thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what wood they are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when it gets here I'll have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415906#415906


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    Time: 07:32:34 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    Jay uses different woods. I was asked what I would prefer...some customers like to use different wood laminations for the variation in color. I went with all maple. I am surprised he did not ask you for a wood preference. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:37:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
    He didn't ask me either but I believe I'm getting a prop he already built on spec. He told me it is all maple. Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:35 AM, "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Jay uses different woods. I was asked what I would prefer...some customers like to use different wood laminations for the variation in color. I went with all maple. I am surprised he did not ask you for a wood preference. > > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > >


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    Time: 07:58:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Larry, ALWAYS look at eBay first... http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.XSport+Aviation+Jan+2004&_nkw=Sport+Aviation+Jan+2004&_sacat=0&_from=R40 Merry Christmas! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415911#415911


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    Time: 08:00:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Larry, Ebay currently has a listing for that issue: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/390714849499?pt=Magazines&hash=item5af86b78db Cheers, Ken On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote: > > If any of you hoarder types happen to have the Jan 2004 issue of Sport > Aviation, I would like to talk to you! Seems I gave a copy to my 90 yr old > uncle only to discover that it was my last one. So (pure vanity on my > part), I would like a copy for myself. > Please help a recovering curmudgeon relive the glory days of his ancient > past this Christmas season. > > T. C. > > Sent from my iPhone > >


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    Time: 08:01:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Wrong link, try this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/EAA-Sport-Aviation-January-2004-Liquid-Cooling-Glasair-/260833973867?pt=Magazines&hash=item3cbaea966b -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415912#415912


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    Time: 08:13:00 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    Hmmm.Top Curmudgeon is a closet Glasair builder? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Back copy of Sport Aviation Larry, Ebay currently has a listing for that issue: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/3907148494 99?pt=Magazines <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/390714849 499?pt=Magazines&hash=item5af86b78db> &hash=item5af86b78db Cheers, Ken On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote: If any of you hoarder types happen to have the Jan 2004 issue of Sport Aviation, I would like to talk to you! Seems I gave a copy to my 90 yr old uncle only to discover that it was my last one. So (pure vanity on my part), I would like a copy for myself. Please help a recovering curmudgeon relive the glory days of his ancient past this Christmas season. T. C. Sent from my iPhone ========== ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com "_blank">www.mrrace.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ==========


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    Time: 08:18:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Nah, I think Larry's just trying to get a copy for free, rather than be out the nearly 8 dollars it would cost him to buy it from Ebay. And for that, he's my hero of the week. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > Hmmm=85Top Curmudgeon is a closet Glasair builder? > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Bickers > *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 8:01 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Back copy of Sport Aviation > > > Larry, Ebay currently has a listing for that issue: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/3907148 49499?pt=Magazines&hash=item5af86b78db > > > Cheers, Ken > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > If any of you hoarder types happen to have the Jan 2004 issue of Sport > Aviation, I would like to talk to you! Seems I gave a copy to my 90 yr ol d > uncle only to discover that it was my last one. So (pure vanity on my > part), I would like a copy for myself. > Please help a recovering curmudgeon relive the glory days of his ancient > past this Christmas season. > > T. C. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ========== > ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com > "_blank">www.mrrace.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > > *www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>* > > *www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>* > > *www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>* > > *www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>* > > *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > * > >


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    Time: 08:32:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm@gmail.com>
    A real pilot never pays for a newspaper either. There's always one left on a seat in the terminal or you just get up early enough to grab the neighbor's;) -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415917#415917


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    Time: 08:54:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Cold Flights
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Hi guys and gals, How many of us have flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ??? Those who have, how cold was it? I'm sure there is a bunch of us. 21 degrees for me. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415919#415919


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    Time: 09:26:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cold Flights
    From: airlion2@gmail.com
    Did you wear your birthday suit? He he. Gardiner Sent from my iPad > On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote: > > > Hi guys and gals, > > How many of us have flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ??? > > Those who have, how cold was it? I'm sure there is a bunch of us. > > 21 degrees for me. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415919#415919 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:38:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cold Flights
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    As a matter of fact I did wear mt birthday suit, under all the other clothing. I don't fly in those temps anymore. That flight was back in the early 90's. I have been known to still fly while the temps are in the 30's, but not very often. Stay warm out there. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415921#415921


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    Time: 09:42:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Curt, The terminal? I stroll through the cabin before I get off the airplane headed for my next flight. Wall Street Journal, Useless A Today, and of course, the all-important People magazine and Entertainment Weekly! NOT! [Wink] [Laughing] Larry, If you don't want to pay, download it for free from EAA. If you are a member. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415922#415922


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    Time: 09:48:00 AM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Cold Flights
    I used to fly in temps 20 degrees F or above. That was till I sold my A-65 piet. Thos were the days. All you have to go is dress warm. Dick N. "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.lihe daysefeld@lacity.org> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Flights > <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Hi guys and gals, > > How many of us have flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ??? > > Those who have, how cold was it? I'm sure there is a bunch of us. > > 21 degrees for me. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415919#415919 > > >


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    Time: 11:45:33 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Cold Flights
    I went at 29 degrees once for about 20 min on a Thanksgiving morning.- I bundled up and was ok, but the snow squall coming in forced me to land.=0A =0AShad=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Friday, December 20, 2013 12:53 PM, Dick N <horzpool@ " <horzpool@goldengate.net>=0A=0AI used to fly in temps 20 degrees F or abo ve.- That was till I sold my A-65 =0Apiet.- Thos were the days.=0AAll y ou have to go is dress warm.=0ADick N.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- "AircamperN11MS" < Scott.lihe daysefeld@lacity.org>=0ATo: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASen t: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:54 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Fligh cott.liefeld@lacity.org>=0A>=0A> Hi guys and gals,=0A>=0A> How many of us h ave flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ???=0A>=0A> Those who ha ve, how cold was it?- I'm sure there is a bunch of us.=0A>=0A> 21 degrees for me.=0A>=0A> --------=0A> Scott Liefeld=0A> Flying N11MS since March 19 72=0A> Steel Tube=0A> C-85-12=0A> Wire Wheels=0A> Brodhead in 1996=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.c om/viewtopic.php?p=415919#415919=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ==============


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    Time: 12:11:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    Maple is a great wood for propellers. On the heavy side so it should bring the CG forward after that big lunch at the local airfield cafe .... LOL! Very nice and Merry Christmas, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415932#415932


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    Time: 12:13:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cold Flights
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    34 deg. .... my face was toasty warm but my feet and hands frooooooze! Behind a Model-A ... ;) -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415933#415933


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    Time: 12:34:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cold Flights
    From: Steve Emo <steve.emo58@gmail.com>
    20F feels warmer than 34-38F if it is sunny and dry! Steve > On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 34 deg. .... my face was toasty warm but my feet and hands frooooooze! Behind a Model-A ... ;) > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415933#415933 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:40:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    How to tell if he's a REAL airline pilot... Ask him how much the USAToday costs. The one and only correct answer is "I don't know". I think it's an unwritten requirement for all layover hotels to have free newspapers. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415936#415936


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    Time: 06:16:37 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Cold Flights
    29 degrees for me, on an hour long flight. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Flights <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> Hi guys and gals, How many of us have flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ??? Those who have, how cold was it? I'm sure there is a bunch of us. 21 degrees for me. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415919#415919


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    Time: 07:35:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48@yahoo.com>
    I actually asked him what he might have that was most affordable- he had 2 props cut sometime back stored way for Corvair engines. I wanted to stay with straight blades and get a few more inches pitch than my 66X29. he had a 32 or 33 and a 34 pitch. I think both as in the rough were about 72" long. he sold me one worth the money and I will most likely cut it to around 68" long to start with. maybe even 70" if it looks like it will clean up well there and balance out. and can trim length if it proves to load it up too much a little at a time. since I fly from a pretty short and very un-forgiving strip I don't want to get too aggressive with pitch, but the one I have just gets me out really well but immediately have to throttle back quite a ways to avoid over speeding and I want to do little experimenting with a second one. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415947#415947


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    Time: 08:32:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96@yahoo.com>
    how do I get in touch with cloudcars jim hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415948#415948


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    Time: 11:14:37 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: prop finish
    You could condition it to look experienced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViTWUL8Was Go to about 3 1/2 minutes. Clif Always remember to go to other people's funerals. Otherwise, they might not come to yours. Yogi Berra > > thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait > on the thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what > wood they are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when > it gets here I'll have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond




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