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1. 04:38 AM - Re: prop finish (womenfly2)
2. 05:26 AM - Back copy of Sport Aviation (Lawrence Williams)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: prop finish (Michael Perez)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (AircamperN11MS)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
6. 07:19 AM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
7. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: prop finish (Michael Perez)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: prop finish (Scott Knowlton)
9. 07:58 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (tkreiner)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (Ken Bickers)
11. 08:01 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (tkreiner)
12. 08:13 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (Gary Boothe)
13. 08:18 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (Ken Bickers)
14. 08:32 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
15. 08:54 AM - Cold Flights (AircamperN11MS)
16. 09:26 AM - Re: Cold Flights (airlion2@gmail.com)
17. 09:38 AM - Re: Cold Flights (AircamperN11MS)
18. 09:42 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (jarheadpilot82)
19. 09:48 AM - Re: Cold Flights (Dick N)
20. 11:45 AM - Re: Cold Flights (shad bell)
21. 12:11 PM - Re: prop finish (womenfly2)
22. 12:13 PM - Re: Cold Flights (womenfly2)
23. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Cold Flights (Steve Emo)
24. 01:40 PM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (dgaldrich)
25. 06:16 PM - Re: Cold Flights (Jack Phillips)
26. 07:35 PM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
27. 08:32 PM - Re: prop finish (Braniff1966)
28. 11:14 PM - Re: Re: prop finish (Clif Dawson)
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>From the picture the tool marks are not "dimples" nor are they " VG's".
I doubt that long longitudinal concave tooling marks from front to back on the
blade surface do anything to improve prop performance. In fact they may induce
more surface drag do to the fact that they are generating non-directed turbulent
boundary layers that have energy and are then dissipated into the air flow
causing boundary separation degrading blade performance.
If this was such a big performance improvement, then why have the top propeller
makes been using and designing this feature on all there propellers. Simple,
it has a negative effect with no performance gain.
With all do respect .... I think it is a little snake oil selling here.
JMHO ~ WF2.
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| Subject: | Back copy of Sport Aviation |
If any of you hoarder types happen to have the Jan 2004 issue of Sport Aviation,
I would like to talk to you! Seems I gave a copy to my 90 yr old uncle only
to discover that it was my last one. So (pure vanity on my part), I would like
a copy for myself.
Please help a recovering curmudgeon relive the glory days of his ancient past
this Christmas season.
T. C.
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You could very well be correct! Either way, I was buying a Cloud Car prop. and
either way, I was going to buy it in the rough and finish it myself, so I am
not sure what Jay would be gaining from selling me said snake oil. I would be
willing someday, to swap my propeller onto another Pietenpol using a smooth Cloud
Car prop. and do a direct side by side comparison. Could very well be a
bunch of hooey. However, if needed, a good sanding and re-finish would not be
all that big of a deal down the road.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Sorry Larry. MI don't have min either. Perhaps EAA has past issues for sale????
Merry Christmas and I hope you find one.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait on the
thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what wood they
are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when it gets here I'll
have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond
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thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait on the
thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what wood they
are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when it gets here I'll
have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond
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Jay uses different woods. I was asked what I would prefer...some customers like
to use different wood laminations for the variation in color. I went with all
maple. I am surprised he did not ask you for a wood preference.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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He didn't ask me either but I believe I'm getting a prop he already built on spec.
He told me it is all maple.
Scott
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> On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:35 AM, "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Jay uses different woods. I was asked what I would prefer...some customers like
to use different wood laminations for the variation in color. I went with
all maple. I am surprised he did not ask you for a wood preference.
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Larry,
ALWAYS look at eBay first...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.XSport+Aviation+Jan+2004&_nkw=Sport+Aviation+Jan+2004&_sacat=0&_from=R40
Merry Christmas!
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Larry, Ebay currently has a listing for that issue:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/390714849499?pt=Magazines&hash=item5af86b78db
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> If any of you hoarder types happen to have the Jan 2004 issue of Sport
> Aviation, I would like to talk to you! Seems I gave a copy to my 90 yr old
> uncle only to discover that it was my last one. So (pure vanity on my
> part), I would like a copy for myself.
> Please help a recovering curmudgeon relive the glory days of his ancient
> past this Christmas season.
>
> T. C.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Wrong link, try this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EAA-Sport-Aviation-January-2004-Liquid-Cooling-Glasair-/260833973867?pt=Magazines&hash=item3cbaea966b
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| Subject: | Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Hmmm.Top Curmudgeon is a closet Glasair builder?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Back copy of Sport Aviation
Larry, Ebay currently has a listing for that issue:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/3907148494
99?pt=Magazines
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/390714849
499?pt=Magazines&hash=item5af86b78db> &hash=item5af86b78db
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
If any of you hoarder types happen to have the Jan 2004 issue of Sport
Aviation, I would like to talk to you! Seems I gave a copy to my 90 yr old
uncle only to discover that it was my last one. So (pure vanity on my part),
I would like a copy for myself.
Please help a recovering curmudgeon relive the glory days of his ancient
past this Christmas season.
T. C.
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Nah, I think Larry's just trying to get a copy for free, rather than be out
the nearly 8 dollars it would cost him to buy it from Ebay. And for that,
he's my hero of the week.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hmmm=85Top Curmudgeon is a closet Glasair builder?
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> *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 8:01 AM
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> Larry, Ebay currently has a listing for that issue:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sport-Aviation-Magazine-EAA-January-2004-/3907148
49499?pt=Magazines&hash=item5af86b78db
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
A real pilot never pays for a newspaper either. There's always one left on a seat
in the terminal or you just get up early enough to grab the neighbor's;)
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Flower Mound, TX
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Hi guys and gals,
How many of us have flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ???
Those who have, how cold was it? I'm sure there is a bunch of us.
21 degrees for me.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
Did you wear your birthday suit? He he. Gardiner
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> On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
As a matter of fact I did wear mt birthday suit, under all the other clothing.
I don't fly in those temps anymore. That flight was back in the early 90's.
I have been known to still fly while the temps are in the 30's, but not very
often.
Stay warm out there.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Curt,
The terminal? I stroll through the cabin before I get off the airplane headed for
my next flight. Wall Street Journal, Useless A Today, and of course, the all-important
People magazine and Entertainment Weekly! NOT! [Wink] [Laughing]
Larry,
If you don't want to pay, download it for free from EAA. If you are a member.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
I used to fly in temps 20 degrees F or above. That was till I sold my A-65
piet. Thos were the days.
All you have to go is dress warm.
Dick N.
"AircamperN11MS" <Scott.lihe daysefeld@lacity.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Flights
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> Hi guys and gals,
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> How many of us have flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ???
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> Those who have, how cold was it? I'm sure there is a bunch of us.
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> 21 degrees for me.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
I went at 29 degrees once for about 20 min on a Thanksgiving morning.- I
bundled up and was ok, but the snow squall coming in forced me to land.=0A
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Maple is a great wood for propellers. On the heavy side so it should bring the
CG forward after that big lunch at the local airfield cafe .... LOL!
Very nice and Merry Christmas,
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
34 deg. .... my face was toasty warm but my feet and hands frooooooze! Behind a
Model-A ... ;)
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
20F feels warmer than 34-38F if it is sunny and dry!
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
How to tell if he's a REAL airline pilot... Ask him how much the USAToday costs.
The one and only correct answer is "I don't know". I think it's an unwritten
requirement for all layover hotels to have free newspapers.
Dave
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29 degrees for me, on an hour long flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 11:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Flights
<Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Hi guys and gals,
How many of us have flown Piets in temperatures Below 32 degrees F ???
Those who have, how cold was it? I'm sure there is a bunch of us.
21 degrees for me.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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I actually asked him what he might have that was most affordable- he had 2 props
cut sometime back stored way for Corvair engines. I wanted to stay with straight
blades and get a few more inches pitch than my 66X29. he had a 32 or 33 and
a 34 pitch. I think both as in the rough were about 72" long. he sold me one
worth the money and I will most likely cut it to around 68" long to start with.
maybe even 70" if it looks like it will clean up well there and balance out.
and can trim length if it proves to load it up too much a little at a time.
since I fly from a pretty short and very un-forgiving strip I don't want to get
too aggressive with pitch, but the one I have just gets me out really well
but immediately have to throttle back quite a ways to avoid over speeding and
I want to do little experimenting with a second one.
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how do I get in touch with cloudcars
jim hyde
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You could condition it to look experienced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViTWUL8Was
Go to about 3 1/2 minutes.
Clif
Always remember to go to other people's funerals.
Otherwise, they might not come to yours.
Yogi Berra
>
> thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait
> on the thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what
> wood they are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when
> it gets here I'll have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond
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