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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (aviken)
2. 04:35 AM - Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation (Don Emch)
3. 04:56 AM - Re: Cold Flights (Don Emch)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Braniff1966)
5. 05:10 AM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
6. 05:11 AM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
7. 05:13 AM - Re: prop finish (GNflyer)
8. 05:20 AM - Re: prop finish (Braniff1966)
9. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Chuck Campbell)
10. 05:29 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Braniff1966)
11. 05:38 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (GrantZ)
12. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Gary Boothe)
13. 06:22 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (GrantZ)
14. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Gary Boothe)
15. 07:24 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (echobravo4)
16. 07:45 AM - cold weather flights (Douwe Blumberg)
17. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Chris)
18. 09:45 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Braniff1966)
19. 10:16 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Braniff1966)
20. 11:31 AM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (echobravo4)
21. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Jack Phillips)
22. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Ryan Mueller)
23. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Ryan Mueller)
24. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Gary Boothe)
25. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Extended Fuselage Question (Gary Boothe)
26. 06:22 PM - Re: Cold Flights (Jerry Dotson)
27. 07:35 PM - Cable tension (John Fastnaught)
28. 08:50 PM - Re: Extended Fuselage Question (GrantZ)
29. 09:04 PM - one extra rib (Braniff1966)
30. 10:11 PM - Re: one extra rib (jarheadpilot82)
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Hi Grant . I had the same problem with the 1933 hoopman drawing . It seems
that it isn't marked very clearly. every other strut is marked from either the
front side or the back. but on the ash struts it is marked somewhere around
the center of the strut. I ask for some help here and of course no one answered...
I get the feeling that there is some kind of click going on here and
Im not in it. Or my question is so stupid that they feel above answering it.
Im about finished with this site ... There is a good facebook site started by
Gary Booth that I am a member, you might get some help there I Did.
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Subject: | Re: Back copy of Sport Aviation |
Larry,
I can't imagine why I would have two copies of that issue, but for some reason,
I do. Must've picked up another one because of the really cool Glasair on the
cover... Since I'm really not into Glasairs anymore, you're welcome to it.
Let me know where you are now and I get it out to you today. :D
Merry Christmas!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
When I fly on the skis, 20 degrees for 15-20 minutes isn't bad if you dress for
it. Even if I get on the ground for 5-10 minutes and go again. 35 degrees for
an hour can be miserable! The longer flights can really start to wear on me.
Don Emch
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
I don't understand the question or I would try to help my wings are almost done,
fuse done tail covered and painted, center section done. wish I could help you
jim hyde
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their email- cloudcarsatverizon.net should do it.
of course remove the at and use @
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dadgummit- don't know why that posted like that-of course @ is the right at
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I give up-you know what it is the spelchek does that I guess. Merry Christmas anyway!
supposed to get 1 to 6 inches of the white stiff in the Texas panhandle
today. we'll have to see. do not archive
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[thanks
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Likewise. I didn't understand the question=2C either. C
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
> From: jnl96@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat=2C 21 Dec 2013 04:59:22 -0800
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
on my plane the only struts are the wing, tail and landing gear. I don't understand
where or function of fuselage struts. I don't think that my plans have fuselage
struts. might try giving more detail. wish i could help. thanks about
the face book tip:-)
jim hyde
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Additional info re my question: I am looking for the dimensions to position the
pieces ( BP calls them struts on the plans) which go between the left and right
fuselage sides as well as the ash reinforcements.
Dimensions are given on the standard fuselage plans but are omitted on the
improved/extended fuselage plans.
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
My long fuselage plans are at the hangar, so I cannot check to be sure, and
that part of the build was several years ago, but, as I recall, the plan
shows the fuselage width to be 24", in the cockpit area. The length of those
'struts' (x-members) are whatever they need to be to maintain that 24".
After you fix the tail posts together, the remaining 'struts' are cut to
fit.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Additional info re my question: I am looking for the dimensions to position
the pieces ( BP calls them struts on the plans) which go between the left
and right fuselage sides as well as the ash reinforcements.
Dimensions are given on the standard fuselage plans but are omitted on the
improved/extended fuselage plans.
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Thanks Gary.
Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to back?) location
of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned.
I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am certain I
am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of these key elements.
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Headed to the airport now...I'll get back to you tonight, unless someone
else beats me to it...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Thanks Gary.
Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to
back?) location of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned.
I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am
certain I am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of
these key elements.
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Grant
Now i see!
The front ash cross member is centered where the 2nd and 3rd
(from the front) vertical struts on the fuse sides meet at the lower longeron-
The second bay back (front cockpit) dimension (fore to aft) I
believe is the same for the short and long fuse
so you can use the 1933 plans for the placement of the rear ash piece-
Those plans show a distance of 27.5" center to center
Hope that didn't make it more confusing!
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
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Subject: | cold weather flights |
I think 34 degrees was the lowest for me.
After about twenty minutes I'm ready to land. Those chemical heat packets
help a lot in gloves and waistband.
The plane sure performs nicely at those temps!!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Grant
This is a somewhat frequent question when building the long fuselage. To
figure out where to put the cross braces between the two fuselage side for
the long fuselage you need to consult the short fuselage plans.
The cross braces go at the same cluster joint as the short. The distance
isn't too critical. Just put them at the center of the cluster. One thing
to make sure is the ash cross members need to be the same distance apart as
the distance between the spars. You might find that this puts the rear ash
member at about the center of the rear seat even though it is shown on the
front of the seat on the plans. Several builders, myself included, have
added a second piece behind the seat so our wing fittings are in the correct
location.
Long fuselage, front ash piece location
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/98.jpg
Here is the rear ash piece.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/P1030326.JPG
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Thanks Gary.
Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to
back?) location of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned.
I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am
certain I am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of
these key elements.
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
my friend has an extended fuse and his is 24 at the cockpit across. he said that
the fuse is lengthened but not widened. we have no way of confirming if his
was built to plans. we did measure it. gary will have you his answer later..
if his is like my friends the u can almost bet it should be 24 inches
jim
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
im confused to. I thought we were here like yourself get to get tips and get help
with building. instead i get 12 e mails on what to wear when its cold outside.
I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me. stay with this
site and filter out all of the bull shit. there is good info but also lots
of bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails. one thing I have
learned is stay with the plan, call pietenpol if you have questions and u will
have plenty of them and work on the project every day.
jim hyde
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Thought the question had been answered twice so far-
Didn't realize the question had changed to how wide is the fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Grant,
I remember having the same problem when I built my fuselage, but don't
remember the solution. As I recall, the information is really all there on
the drawings but sometimes you have to look at several different sheets to
get all the dimensions.
I'll have to dig my plans out tomorrow and go over them to see what I did.
I think I just made sure the top and bottom pieces were in line with the
verticals in the fuselage sides.
Here's a picture showing them:
Basically, if you put in the cross pieces that define the cockpit (and I
think those dimensions are given on the plans), then pull the longerons
together at the tail, the sides will form a fourth order polynomial curve
that the wood naturally wants to hold. I think I just cut the cross pieces
to fit that curve. Whatever, it looks right.
Be very careful to make sure you have everything lined up perfectly.. I
used plumb bobs and pipe clamps as shown in the picture below. The fuselage
is upside down, resting on the upper longerons, with the plumb bobs aligning
the center of the bottom cross braces with the center of the top cross
braces (I had a centerline drawn on the table as well). You can see some of
the strings used to pull on various parts of the lower longerons to keep
everything in alignment. As Tony Bingelis says, building an airplane is
basically a series of alignment exercises.
Don't give up on this website. There's a wealth of good information here,
but some of us that built their planes a decade or so ago are busy with
other projects now.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Additional info re my question: I am looking for the dimensions to position
the pieces ( BP calls them struts on the plans) which go between the left
and right fuselage sides as well as the ash reinforcements.
Dimensions are given on the standard fuselage plans but are omitted on the
improved/extended fuselage plans.
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
You certainly hit the mark with one statement: no one asked you.
do not archive
On 12/21/2013 10:15 AM, Braniff1966 wrote:
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> im confused to. I thought we were here like yourself get to get tips and get
help with building. instead i get 12 e mails on what to wear when its cold outside.
I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me. stay with
this site and filter out all of the bull shit. there is good info but also lots
of bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails. one thing I have
learned is stay with the plan, call pietenpol if you have questions and u will
have plenty of them and work on the project every day.
>
> jim hyde
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Also, a good reminder to make use of the Matronics list archives. There are
approximately 16 years worth of conversations, questions, answers, etc from
the Pietenpol email list available to be searched:
http://www.matronics.com/search/
Take a moment to read the instructions and review the example searches on
how to best format your search to get useful results, and have at it. The
archives are a very useful resource....
Ryan
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org> wrote:
> You certainly hit the mark with one statement: no one asked you.
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> On 12/21/2013 10:15 AM, Braniff1966 wrote:
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>> im confused to. I thought we were here like yourself get to get tips and
>> get help with building. instead i get 12 e mails on what to wear when its
>> cold outside. I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me.
>> stay with this site and filter out all of the bull shit. there is good info
>> but also lots of bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails.
>> one thing I have learned is stay with the plan, call pietenpol if you have
>> questions and u will have plenty of them and work on the project every day.
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>> jim hyde
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
"Call Pietenpol"...there's some good advice. When you get ahold of him, ask
to speak to Elvis, too.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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You certainly hit the mark with one statement: no one asked you.
do not archive
On 12/21/2013 10:15 AM, Braniff1966 wrote:
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> im confused to. I thought we were here like yourself get to get tips and
get help with building. instead i get 12 e mails on what to wear when its
cold outside. I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me.
stay with this site and filter out all of the bull shit. there is good info
but also lots of bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails.
one thing I have learned is stay with the plan, call pietenpol if you have
questions and u will have plenty of them and work on the project every day.
>
> jim hyde
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Grant,
Not sure if you got the answers you were looking for yet. Although my Piet
is built and flying, I am in no way an expert, such as a person like Chris
Tracy. I'm sure there are others, but I know of no-one who has studied the
plans longer and more intently, along with lots of peripheral stuff!
In no way do I wish to appear cavalier, but I just followed plans...mixed
with some s.w.a.g. and a little of my own interpretation....but I never was
stumped by needed information! My long fuselage plans are only marked, "*
Corrected 9-22-94...", and the attached is a snippet. This gives locations
for the uprights. I merely referred to the original drawings for the
x-members.
Best of luck to you! Please do not be put off by negative comments about
this list. Admittedly, one may have to ask a question more than once...or
ask a different way.
Anyone who says this list is not helpful is full of CRAP!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Headed to the airport now...I'll get back to you tonight, unless someone
else beats me to it...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Thanks Gary.
Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to
back?) location of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned.
I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am
certain I am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of
these key elements.
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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Subject: | Re: Cold Flights |
My coldest flight started at 36 and lasted near an hour. I flew from home to the
SERFI fly-in at Evergreen, Al. It warmed up some but I didn't have enough layers
on. Miserable.
Jerry
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about cable tension.
Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the cables?
Jack
N144JF
Ford powered
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Subject: | Re: Extended Fuselage Question |
Chris,
Great answer. Just the info I needed to "break the code"!!
Thanks
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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i just finished making both wings and center section.. i have one extra rib left
over and have been working on it all day to make me a girlfriend. i heard that
some dude did it many years ago...does anyone have a set of plans. tomorrow
is sunday and i have to take the day to rest.
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Subject: | Re: one extra rib |
"Eve"n a guy like you can throw a little humor out there. [Laughing]
Have a nice day of rest.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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