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1. 03:44 AM - Re: one extra rib (Jack Phillips)
2. 03:45 AM - Re: Cable tension (Jack Phillips)
3. 06:46 AM - Fuel Lines and Cabanes (jarheadpilot82)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: Cable tension (John Fastnaught)
5. 08:50 AM - Re: one extra rib (John Francis)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (Braniff1966)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (Braniff1966)
8. 10:45 AM - Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (jarheadpilot82)
9. 10:57 AM - adding trim (TriScout)
10. 01:16 PM - Re: adding trim (Braniff1966)
11. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (g. doe)
12. 05:09 PM - Re: Cable tension (Jack Phillips)
13. 06:35 PM - apology (aviken)
14. 06:45 PM - Re: apology (Jack Phillips)
15. 07:13 PM - Re: adding trim (TriScout)
16. 08:01 PM - Re: adding trim (Braniff1966)
17. 09:37 PM - Re: adding trim (TriScout)
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You must be a fighter pilot. They all think they're God :-)
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Braniff1966
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one extra rib
i just finished making both wings and center section.. i have one extra rib
left over and have been working on it all day to make me a girlfriend. i
heard that some dude did it many years ago...does anyone have a set of
plans. tomorrow is sunday and i have to take the day to rest.
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Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Fastnaught
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension
<fastnaught@windstream.net>
I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about
cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the
cables?
Jack
N144JF
Ford powered
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| Subject: | Fuel Lines and Cabanes |
I have attached a link to an interesting and very informative couple of blog posts
written by William Wynne and posted on his FlyCorvair.net website. This is
good information for all of us builders and owners-
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Cable tension |
Actually all the cables but for now the control cables.
Thanks,
Jack
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> On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:45 AM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
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> Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires?
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> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Fastnaught
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension
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> I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about
> cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the
> cables?
> Jack
> N144JF
> Ford powered
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| Subject: | Re: one extra rib |
Be careful what you wish for!
Adam said he didn't have anyone to talk to. God said that He was going to make
Adam a companion and that it would be a woman. He said, "This pretty lady will
gather food for you, she will cook for you, and when you discover clothing, she
will wash it for you. She will always agree with every decision you make and
she will not nag you, and will always be the first to admit she was wrong when
you've had a disagreement. She will praise you! She will bear your children
and never ask you to get up in the middle of the night to take care of them.
"She will NEVER have a headache and will freely give you love and passion whenever
you need it."
Adam asked God, "What will a woman like this cost?" God replied, "An arm and a
leg." Then Adam asked, "What can I get for a rib?" Of course the rest is history......................
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes |
great post. I have the braided stainless fuel line on the shelf and plan to use
it. my cabanes are made and have been installed fitted and removed. I was sort
of proud that I had all of this done. I now have to modify them and weld them
in. this will be a loss in time but well worth it.. at 70 I have to weigh
construction time against time remaining...my career spans 55 years and this is
my last square to fill except for the extra rib project ..I hope to improve
on the prototype.
my big question is why did this thoughtful fellow hit the ground so hard..
I wish we had more posts like this. im not inclined to modify this project but
this is necessary.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes |
if you are a glass cockpit guy consider looking at the ntsb site recorded hearing
on the asiana accident. watch dave mckennys portion group three. he is my human
factors chairman
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes |
Jim,
Two words. Carburetor Ice.
Here is a link to a story on his website describing the circumstances as well as
information to help others avoid the same situation.
http://flycorvair.com/carbice.html
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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I'm taking advantage of some downtime during Annual by adding a trim tab that can
be controlled from the flight deck. Of course, my AI/DAR will have to approve
it for a sign-off w/said Annual..
I bought a $26 cable from Spruce that locks in any position w/quarter turn of t-handle.
My diabolical plan is to mount it under seat (near right knee). I thought
about the electric trim servo method, but I like staying in the stone age
(no electrics). I will attempt to attach some fotos to this post. I am up for
suggestions/ideas.. if there might be a simpler method out there...
I thought about the bungie/string technique that I've seen on here, but prefer
a "secondary" control, in the event I lose all hydraulics.
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 724TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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may I ask what ur plane weighs and what type of fabric and paint process.. if the
trim works ill try one to
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes |
Thank you, I was looking at the NTSB report, it is amazing the different st
ory from the pilot and co-pilot, pilot: negotiated landing, on impacted pla
ne caught fire,, Owner: from 80 feet plane spun in and caught fire, very in
teresting, gary=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: jarhead
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lot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A=0AJim,=0A=0ATwo words. Carburetor Ic
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Control cables need to have no slack, but not be so tight as to put undue
stress on the control surfaces (which are wood). Having said that, you will
find due to the unique geometry of the elevator control system that it is
impossible to keep the up and down cables tight at all time..
As in many things Pietenpol related, you just have to exercise your own
judgement.
For the bracing wires, again you don't want slack, and opposing cables
should have approximately the same tension. The easiest way to determine
this is to pluck them like a guitar string and see if you get about the same
note (Thummmm) from them. If you have a tensiometer, fine. Go ahead and
use it, but it is probably not necessary.
Of course, such tensioning methods for the flying wires and bracing wires
are to give a starting point. It may be necessary to tighten or loosen one
slightly to move a flying surface in such a way as to get the airplane "in
rig". That's why they need to be adjustable.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Fastnaught
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension
<fastnaught@windstream.net>
Actually all the cables but for now the control cables.
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:45 AM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
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<jack@bedfordlandings.com>
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> Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Fastnaught
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension
>
> <fastnaught@windstream.net>
>
> I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about
> cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on
the
> cables?
> Jack
> N144JF
> Ford powered
>
> Sent from my iPad
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I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list while
replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same question
a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question no one answered.
I admire all these builders here and im gonna need some help on this
journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please accept my apology
I don't want to be a bad egg.
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Apology accepted. There's a lot of good info available here, but as Ryan
Mueller commented, many of the questions being raised have been answered
many times over the last 16 years, and people get tired of answering them
again, when the questions and answers are available in the archives.
And most of the questions can be abswered by just reading Tony Bingelis'
books and actually thinking about the problem and coming up with a solution,
instead of immediately asking someone else how they solved the problem. To
be honest, most of the fun I had bulding my Pietenpol was coming up with
solutions to these problems.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: apology
I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list
while replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same
question a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question
no one answered. I admire all these builders here and im gonna need some
help on this journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please
accept my apology I don't want to be a bad egg.
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680lbs, stitts polyfiber sys, automobile imron paint on fuse only
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 724TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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thanks for the info. please let me know how the trim works. my fuse and tail are
finished.. now would be the right time to add a trim.. also I have read that
the piet with a ford a weighs about 695 I would have guessed yours would have
been a good bit less. thanks for the info. im using an a65 and the same prop
jim
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..will do.
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 724TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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