---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/22/13: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:44 AM - Re: one extra rib (Jack Phillips) 2. 03:45 AM - Re: Cable tension (Jack Phillips) 3. 06:46 AM - Fuel Lines and Cabanes (jarheadpilot82) 4. 07:34 AM - Re: Cable tension (John Fastnaught) 5. 08:50 AM - Re: one extra rib (John Francis) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (Braniff1966) 7. 10:30 AM - Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (Braniff1966) 8. 10:45 AM - Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (jarheadpilot82) 9. 10:57 AM - adding trim (TriScout) 10. 01:16 PM - Re: adding trim (Braniff1966) 11. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes (g. doe) 12. 05:09 PM - Re: Cable tension (Jack Phillips) 13. 06:35 PM - apology (aviken) 14. 06:45 PM - Re: apology (Jack Phillips) 15. 07:13 PM - Re: adding trim (TriScout) 16. 08:01 PM - Re: adding trim (Braniff1966) 17. 09:37 PM - Re: adding trim (TriScout) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: one extra rib You must be a fighter pilot. They all think they're God :-) Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Braniff1966 Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: one extra rib i just finished making both wings and center section.. i have one extra rib left over and have been working on it all day to make me a girlfriend. i heard that some dude did it many years ago...does anyone have a set of plans. tomorrow is sunday and i have to take the day to rest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416034#416034 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:42 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fastnaught Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the cables? Jack N144JF Ford powered Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Lines and Cabanes From: "jarheadpilot82" I have attached a link to an interesting and very informative couple of blog posts written by William Wynne and posted on his FlyCorvair.net website. This is good information for all of us builders and owners- http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/ http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/ -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416048#416048 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension From: John Fastnaught Actually all the cables but for now the control cables. Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad > On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:45 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Fastnaught > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension > > > > I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about > cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the > cables? > Jack > N144JF > Ford powered > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: one extra rib From: "John Francis" Be careful what you wish for! Adam said he didn't have anyone to talk to. God said that He was going to make Adam a companion and that it would be a woman. He said, "This pretty lady will gather food for you, she will cook for you, and when you discover clothing, she will wash it for you. She will always agree with every decision you make and she will not nag you, and will always be the first to admit she was wrong when you've had a disagreement. She will praise you! She will bear your children and never ask you to get up in the middle of the night to take care of them. "She will NEVER have a headache and will freely give you love and passion whenever you need it." Adam asked God, "What will a woman like this cost?" God replied, "An arm and a leg." Then Adam asked, "What can I get for a rib?" Of course the rest is history...................... -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416052#416052 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes From: "Braniff1966" great post. I have the braided stainless fuel line on the shelf and plan to use it. my cabanes are made and have been installed fitted and removed. I was sort of proud that I had all of this done. I now have to modify them and weld them in. this will be a loss in time but well worth it.. at 70 I have to weigh construction time against time remaining...my career spans 55 years and this is my last square to fill except for the extra rib project ..I hope to improve on the prototype. my big question is why did this thoughtful fellow hit the ground so hard.. I wish we had more posts like this. im not inclined to modify this project but this is necessary. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416059#416059 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes From: "Braniff1966" if you are a glass cockpit guy consider looking at the ntsb site recorded hearing on the asiana accident. watch dave mckennys portion group three. he is my human factors chairman Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416060#416060 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes From: "jarheadpilot82" Jim, Two words. Carburetor Ice. Here is a link to a story on his website describing the circumstances as well as information to help others avoid the same situation. http://flycorvair.com/carbice.html -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416062#416062 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: adding trim From: "TriScout" I'm taking advantage of some downtime during Annual by adding a trim tab that can be controlled from the flight deck. Of course, my AI/DAR will have to approve it for a sign-off w/said Annual.. I bought a $26 cable from Spruce that locks in any position w/quarter turn of t-handle. My diabolical plan is to mount it under seat (near right knee). I thought about the electric trim servo method, but I like staying in the stone age (no electrics). I will attempt to attach some fotos to this post. I am up for suggestions/ideas.. if there might be a simpler method out there... I thought about the bungie/string technique that I've seen on here, but prefer a "secondary" control, in the event I lose all hydraulics. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416064#416064 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab1_438.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab2_572.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab3_558.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab4_105.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim From: "Braniff1966" may I ask what ur plane weighs and what type of fabric and paint process.. if the trim works ill try one to Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416068#416068 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:52 PM PST US From: "g. doe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes Thank you, I was looking at the NTSB report, it is amazing the different st ory from the pilot and co-pilot, pilot: negotiated landing, on impacted pla ne caught fire,, Owner: from 80 feet plane spun in and caught fire, very in teresting, gary=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: jarhead pilot82 =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 1:44 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel lot82" =0A=0AJim,=0A=0ATwo words. Carburetor Ic e.=0A=0AHere is a link to a story on his website describing the circumstanc es as well as information to help others avoid the same situation.=0A=0Ahtt p://flycorvair.com/carbice.html=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand =0AAthens, GA=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums == ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:01 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Control cables need to have no slack, but not be so tight as to put undue stress on the control surfaces (which are wood). Having said that, you will find due to the unique geometry of the elevator control system that it is impossible to keep the up and down cables tight at all time.. As in many things Pietenpol related, you just have to exercise your own judgement. For the bracing wires, again you don't want slack, and opposing cables should have approximately the same tension. The easiest way to determine this is to pluck them like a guitar string and see if you get about the same note (Thummmm) from them. If you have a tensiometer, fine. Go ahead and use it, but it is probably not necessary. Of course, such tensioning methods for the flying wires and bracing wires are to give a starting point. It may be necessary to tighten or loosen one slightly to move a flying surface in such a way as to get the airplane "in rig". That's why they need to be adjustable. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fastnaught Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Actually all the cables but for now the control cables. Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad > On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:45 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Fastnaught > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension > > > > I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about > cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the > cables? > Jack > N144JF > Ford powered > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: apology From: "aviken" I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list while replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same question a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question no one answered. I admire all these builders here and im gonna need some help on this journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please accept my apology I don't want to be a bad egg. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416084#416084 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:36 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: apology Apology accepted. There's a lot of good info available here, but as Ryan Mueller commented, many of the questions being raised have been answered many times over the last 16 years, and people get tired of answering them again, when the questions and answers are available in the archives. And most of the questions can be abswered by just reading Tony Bingelis' books and actually thinking about the problem and coming up with a solution, instead of immediately asking someone else how they solved the problem. To be honest, most of the fun I had bulding my Pietenpol was coming up with solutions to these problems. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: apology I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list while replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same question a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question no one answered. I admire all these builders here and im gonna need some help on this journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please accept my apology I don't want to be a bad egg. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416084#416084 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim From: "TriScout" 680lbs, stitts polyfiber sys, automobile imron paint on fuse only -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416088#416088 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim From: "Braniff1966" thanks for the info. please let me know how the trim works. my fuse and tail are finished.. now would be the right time to add a trim.. also I have read that the piet with a ford a weighs about 695 I would have guessed yours would have been a good bit less. thanks for the info. im using an a65 and the same prop jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416090#416090 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim From: "TriScout" ..will do. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416093#416093 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.