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1. 05:56 AM - Re: Creative Clamping (aviken)
2. 06:21 AM - Ailerons, up and down (giacummo)
3. 10:31 AM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (Jack)
4. 11:12 AM - Re: Scouting for a new home (AircamperN11MS)
5. 12:14 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (Bill Church)
6. 12:18 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (Bill Church)
7. 01:41 PM - Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly (aerocarjake)
8. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Ailerons, up and down (Mario Giacummo)
9. 02:06 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (jarheadpilot82)
10. 02:30 PM - Re: Scouting for a new home (tools)
11. 02:35 PM - Re: Scouting for a new home (tools)
12. 07:26 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly (Ray Krause)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Creative Clamping (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Creative Clamping |
My wife complained when I told her we needed to stop at Harbor freight for more
clamps. She thought the arm load I had already bought was sufficient. Now
I find when building ribs, Im still short. The rib in the jig takes most of
my small clamps, and I can't put the opposite side gussets on the rib I finished
the day before. So it's back to Harbor freight!
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| Subject: | Ailerons, up and down |
Hello,
I am reading a LAA TADS 047 Pietenpol Aircamper ( I tink you know what iti is,
don't you?) and it said about the ailerons deflection the following: 15 Up, and
20 Down.
My question is.. How do you do that? this problem do not lose my sleep, but I
can not see how to do it.
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Ailerons, up and down |
Mario not sure of your question, how to measure? I used a digital angle
finder. If you don't have one you can calculate and cut from cardboard
like
attached.
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ailerons, up and down
<mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
Hello,
I am reading a LAA TADS 047 Pietenpol Aircamper ( I tink you know what
iti
is, don't you?) and it said about the ailerons deflection the following:
15=C2=B0 Up, and 20=C2=B0 Down.
My question is.. How do you do that? this problem do not lose my sleep,
but
I can not see how to do it.
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Scouting for a new home |
Hey tools,
Yes it is the same Sparky. He handed my Piet to me in 1993. He acquired his current
GN-1 from a close friend of his. It was damaged in a ground loop. Dad rebuilt
it and has been flying it since. The same plane you flew in.
I used to take my Piet to the Edwards AFB fly in every year. One morning I Was
able to push the Piet over to the B2 and got a great pic. At the time I was a
mechanic at LAFD. I am now an Equipment Specialist at LAFD. I design and write
the specifications for all the fire departments equipment. I never did work on
the B2.
Dad said he was ready to sell his GN-1. He wants to show the buyer that it is a
good flyer and then sell it as parts or project. Let the new owner do what he
wants with it. Maybe recover it and license it as a new plane. It has an O-200
w about 300hours SMOH. The fuse is 2 inches wider and deeper. It makes it nice
and roomy. Dad also has his KR2 and flies it weekly.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons, up and down |
Mario,
I think I understand what you are asking.
The geometry of the aileron horn will automatically provide the required differential.
As seen in the attached clip from the plans, the aileron horn is designed
so that the top arm (distance between connection point and pivot point) is
shorter than the bottom arm. Thus, when the control cable is pulled a given
distance (say 1 inch), the top arm will swing through a larger angle than it
would if connected to the bottom arm. Because the control cables can only be
pulled (not pushed), the movements of the ailerons are governed by the cables
that are being pulled. The tensions in the control cables will, of course be
uneven, but this is normal.
Hope this helps.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons, up and down |
One more thing.
I think the numbers you mentioned must be reversed. In differential aileron control,
the "up" deflection is typically greater than the "down" deflection. The
geometry of the Pietenpol aileron horn would produce a greater "up" deflection
than "down", for a given input.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly |
Hello good Piet-ple,
Happy New Year to you all.....
The holiday break gave me a nice long period to work on my Pietenpol project. The
majority of that time was spent building a "rotating dolly" for my fuselage.
This dolly will allow better access for the welder to install the landing gear
attach fittings. The dolly will then be used during the sandblasting, priming,
painting, and eventually the fabric covering process. The pivot assembly is
a ball-bearing pivot from a dolly wheel assembly, so the whole fuselage rotates
with just a touch of a finger. I can stop/lock the rotation with a steel pin
into a number of set positions.
I have been coordinating with a company called "Applied Finishing" in Everett,
WA who will be painting all my metal parts. I have the first batch almost ready
to go. By using a vendor to do the painting I do not have to invest in an air
compressor or painting booth, guns, etc. They will be using aircraft epoxy,
all FAA approved coatings.
I next modified my passenger stick (as Mike Cuy and other Pietenpol builders have
done) to make it removable. A friend machined slot into an aluminum bar that
will slip into the lower portion of the stick. This will allow the passenger
stick to be removed for those who do not want "stick time" or for times when
I carry extra gear in the forward cockpit.
Here's to fun and more good progress in 2014....!
Jake
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons, up and down |
This is the answer I was waiting. Thank you Bill, now I can sleep pacefully.
the doc I talk about is this one:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzIyXuiMtrYAVWh3UFdqdGNaODQ/edit?usp=sharing
Regards
Mario Giacummo
2014/1/2 Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Mario,
> I think I understand what you are asking.
> The geometry of the aileron horn will automatically provide the required
> differential. As seen in the attached clip from the plans, the aileron
> horn is designed so that the top arm (distance between connection point and
> pivot point) is shorter than the bottom arm. Thus, when the control cable
> is pulled a given distance (say 1 inch), the top arm will swing through a
> larger angle than it would if connected to the bottom arm. Because the
> control cables can only be pulled (not pushed), the movements of the
> ailerons are governed by the cables that are being pulled. The tensions in
> the control cables will, of course be uneven, but this is normal.
> Hope this helps.
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416464#416464
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_horn_423.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons, up and down |
Bill,
This is the data to which he was referring. Is that a typo in the U.K. Data Sheet?
Just curious.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Scouting for a new home |
Dang, small world! Glad to hear your dad is doing well. That was a pretty cool
flight for me. It IS a great flying airplane, lots of power, roomy for a Piet,
for sure.
I'm sure your dad will remember Stewart, I'm still in regular touch with him, visited
him south of Dallas last May. Him and Marg are doing really really well.
I've got a good pic of my A4 next to my dad's Hatz, and always thought that pic
of the B2 and your Piet was fantastic. Post it if you have it and are able,
would love to archive it.
Not sure if he'll remember taking me along (got to thinking it was probably earlier
than 95, possibly a couple years, seem to recall he just got the GN-1 flying),
I definitely got the feeling he gave lots of rides, but pass along my continuing
thanks and well wishes for the new year!
Cheers,
Mike Danford
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| Subject: | Re: Scouting for a new home |
By the way, also always thought it would be so cool to have "dad's" plane, I'm
quite jealous. I'll probably take a stab some day at finding my dad's old plane.
Not sure where I got the idea you worked on the B2. However, just makes it all
that more impressive you got to get next to it considering you didn't! Especially
way back then. I used to fly a lot of approaches at Wightman and they got
hinky if you even considered flying over the ramp, much less walking up to
one...
Cheers!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly |
Excellent work, very nice!
Ray Krause
SkyScout coming along
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:41 PM, "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello good Piet-ple,
>
> Happy New Year to you all.....
>
> The holiday break gave me a nice long period to work on my Pietenpol project.
The majority of that time was spent building a "rotating dolly" for my fuselage.
This dolly will allow better access for the welder to install the landing
gear attach fittings. The dolly will then be used during the sandblasting, priming,
painting, and eventually the fabric covering process. The pivot assembly
is a ball-bearing pivot from a dolly wheel assembly, so the whole fuselage rotates
with just a touch of a finger. I can stop/lock the rotation with a steel
pin into a number of set positions.
>
> I have been coordinating with a company called "Applied Finishing" in Everett,
WA who will be painting all my metal parts. I have the first batch almost ready
to go. By using a vendor to do the painting I do not have to invest in an
air compressor or painting booth, guns, etc. They will be using aircraft epoxy,
all FAA approved coatings.
>
> I next modified my passenger stick (as Mike Cuy and other Pietenpol builders
have done) to make it removable. A friend machined slot into an aluminum bar that
will slip into the lower portion of the stick. This will allow the passenger
stick to be removed for those who do not want "stick time" or for times when
I carry extra gear in the forward cockpit.
>
> Here's to fun and more good progress in 2014....!
>
> Jake
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416467#416467
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pax_stick_815.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/parts_prior_to_paint_134.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_dolly_139.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Creative Clamping |
Here, try this. :-)
And do yourself a favour, put the handles on!!
Clif
>
> My wife complained when I told her we needed to stop at Harbor freight for
> more clamps. She thought the arm load I had already bought was
> sufficient.
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