---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/02/14: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - Re: Creative Clamping (aviken) 2. 06:21 AM - Ailerons, up and down (giacummo) 3. 10:31 AM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (Jack) 4. 11:12 AM - Re: Scouting for a new home (AircamperN11MS) 5. 12:14 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (Bill Church) 6. 12:18 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (Bill Church) 7. 01:41 PM - Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly (aerocarjake) 8. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Ailerons, up and down (Mario Giacummo) 9. 02:06 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (jarheadpilot82) 10. 02:30 PM - Re: Scouting for a new home (tools) 11. 02:35 PM - Re: Scouting for a new home (tools) 12. 07:26 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly (Ray Krause) 13. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Creative Clamping (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Creative Clamping From: "aviken" My wife complained when I told her we needed to stop at Harbor freight for more clamps. She thought the arm load I had already bought was sufficient. Now I find when building ribs, Im still short. The rib in the jig takes most of my small clamps, and I can't put the opposite side gussets on the rib I finished the day before. So it's back to Harbor freight! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416456#416456 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ailerons, up and down From: "giacummo" Hello, I am reading a LAA TADS 047 Pietenpol Aircamper ( I tink you know what iti is, don't you?) and it said about the ailerons deflection the following: 15 Up, and 20 Down. My question is.. How do you do that? this problem do not lose my sleep, but I can not see how to do it. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457#416457 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:25 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ailerons, up and down Mario not sure of your question, how to measure? I used a digital angle finder. If you don't have one you can calculate and cut from cardboard like attached. Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ailerons, up and down Hello, I am reading a LAA TADS 047 Pietenpol Aircamper ( I tink you know what iti is, don't you?) and it said about the ailerons deflection the following: 15=C2=B0 Up, and 20=C2=B0 Down. My question is.. How do you do that? this problem do not lose my sleep, but I can not see how to do it. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457#416457 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scouting for a new home From: "AircamperN11MS" Hey tools, Yes it is the same Sparky. He handed my Piet to me in 1993. He acquired his current GN-1 from a close friend of his. It was damaged in a ground loop. Dad rebuilt it and has been flying it since. The same plane you flew in. I used to take my Piet to the Edwards AFB fly in every year. One morning I Was able to push the Piet over to the B2 and got a great pic. At the time I was a mechanic at LAFD. I am now an Equipment Specialist at LAFD. I design and write the specifications for all the fire departments equipment. I never did work on the B2. Dad said he was ready to sell his GN-1. He wants to show the buyer that it is a good flyer and then sell it as parts or project. Let the new owner do what he wants with it. Maybe recover it and license it as a new plane. It has an O-200 w about 300hours SMOH. The fuse is 2 inches wider and deeper. It makes it nice and roomy. Dad also has his KR2 and flies it weekly. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416461#416461 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ailerons, up and down From: "Bill Church" Mario, I think I understand what you are asking. The geometry of the aileron horn will automatically provide the required differential. As seen in the attached clip from the plans, the aileron horn is designed so that the top arm (distance between connection point and pivot point) is shorter than the bottom arm. Thus, when the control cable is pulled a given distance (say 1 inch), the top arm will swing through a larger angle than it would if connected to the bottom arm. Because the control cables can only be pulled (not pushed), the movements of the ailerons are governed by the cables that are being pulled. The tensions in the control cables will, of course be uneven, but this is normal. Hope this helps. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416464#416464 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_horn_423.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ailerons, up and down From: "Bill Church" One more thing. I think the numbers you mentioned must be reversed. In differential aileron control, the "up" deflection is typically greater than the "down" deflection. The geometry of the Pietenpol aileron horn would produce a greater "up" deflection than "down", for a given input. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416465#416465 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple, Happy New Year to you all..... The holiday break gave me a nice long period to work on my Pietenpol project. The majority of that time was spent building a "rotating dolly" for my fuselage. This dolly will allow better access for the welder to install the landing gear attach fittings. The dolly will then be used during the sandblasting, priming, painting, and eventually the fabric covering process. The pivot assembly is a ball-bearing pivot from a dolly wheel assembly, so the whole fuselage rotates with just a touch of a finger. I can stop/lock the rotation with a steel pin into a number of set positions. I have been coordinating with a company called "Applied Finishing" in Everett, WA who will be painting all my metal parts. I have the first batch almost ready to go. By using a vendor to do the painting I do not have to invest in an air compressor or painting booth, guns, etc. They will be using aircraft epoxy, all FAA approved coatings. I next modified my passenger stick (as Mike Cuy and other Pietenpol builders have done) to make it removable. A friend machined slot into an aluminum bar that will slip into the lower portion of the stick. This will allow the passenger stick to be removed for those who do not want "stick time" or for times when I carry extra gear in the forward cockpit. Here's to fun and more good progress in 2014....! Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416467#416467 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pax_stick_815.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/parts_prior_to_paint_134.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_dolly_139.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:56 PM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ailerons, up and down This is the answer I was waiting. Thank you Bill, now I can sleep pacefully. the doc I talk about is this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzIyXuiMtrYAVWh3UFdqdGNaODQ/edit?usp=sharing Regards Mario Giacummo 2014/1/2 Bill Church > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Mario, > I think I understand what you are asking. > The geometry of the aileron horn will automatically provide the required > differential. As seen in the attached clip from the plans, the aileron > horn is designed so that the top arm (distance between connection point and > pivot point) is shorter than the bottom arm. Thus, when the control cable > is pulled a given distance (say 1 inch), the top arm will swing through a > larger angle than it would if connected to the bottom arm. Because the > control cables can only be pulled (not pushed), the movements of the > ailerons are governed by the cables that are being pulled. The tensions in > the control cables will, of course be uneven, but this is normal. > Hope this helps. > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416464#416464 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_horn_423.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ailerons, up and down From: "jarheadpilot82" Bill, This is the data to which he was referring. Is that a typo in the U.K. Data Sheet? Just curious. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416472#416472 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_110.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scouting for a new home From: "tools" Dang, small world! Glad to hear your dad is doing well. That was a pretty cool flight for me. It IS a great flying airplane, lots of power, roomy for a Piet, for sure. I'm sure your dad will remember Stewart, I'm still in regular touch with him, visited him south of Dallas last May. Him and Marg are doing really really well. I've got a good pic of my A4 next to my dad's Hatz, and always thought that pic of the B2 and your Piet was fantastic. Post it if you have it and are able, would love to archive it. Not sure if he'll remember taking me along (got to thinking it was probably earlier than 95, possibly a couple years, seem to recall he just got the GN-1 flying), I definitely got the feeling he gave lots of rides, but pass along my continuing thanks and well wishes for the new year! Cheers, Mike Danford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416473#416473 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scouting for a new home From: "tools" By the way, also always thought it would be so cool to have "dad's" plane, I'm quite jealous. I'll probably take a stab some day at finding my dad's old plane. Not sure where I got the idea you worked on the B2. However, just makes it all that more impressive you got to get next to it considering you didn't! Especially way back then. I used to fly a lot of approaches at Wightman and they got hinky if you even considered flying over the ramp, much less walking up to one... Cheers! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416474#416474 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:00 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly Excellent work, very nice! Ray Krause SkyScout coming along Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:41 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > > Hello good Piet-ple, > > Happy New Year to you all..... > > The holiday break gave me a nice long period to work on my Pietenpol project. The majority of that time was spent building a "rotating dolly" for my fuselage. This dolly will allow better access for the welder to install the landing gear attach fittings. The dolly will then be used during the sandblasting, priming, painting, and eventually the fabric covering process. The pivot assembly is a ball-bearing pivot from a dolly wheel assembly, so the whole fuselage rotates with just a touch of a finger. I can stop/lock the rotation with a steel pin into a number of set positions. > > I have been coordinating with a company called "Applied Finishing" in Everett, WA who will be painting all my metal parts. I have the first batch almost ready to go. By using a vendor to do the painting I do not have to invest in an air compressor or painting booth, guns, etc. They will be using aircraft epoxy, all FAA approved coatings. > > I next modified my passenger stick (as Mike Cuy and other Pietenpol builders have done) to make it removable. A friend machined slot into an aluminum bar that will slip into the lower portion of the stick. This will allow the passenger stick to be removed for those who do not want "stick time" or for times when I carry extra gear in the forward cockpit. > > Here's to fun and more good progress in 2014....! > > Jake > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416467#416467 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pax_stick_815.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/parts_prior_to_paint_134.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_dolly_139.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:51 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Creative Clamping Here, try this. :-) And do yourself a favour, put the handles on!! Clif > > My wife complained when I told her we needed to stop at Harbor freight for > more clamps. She thought the arm load I had already bought was > sufficient. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.