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1. 11:51 AM - Re: Scouting for a new home (AircamperN11MS)
2. 01:17 PM - Tail End (John Francis)
3. 02:17 PM - Re: Tail End (tools)
4. 02:20 PM - Re: Scouting for a new home (tools)
5. 02:32 PM - Re: Tail End (Rick Schreiber)
6. 02:55 PM - Re: Tail End (Bill Church)
7. 03:28 PM - Re: Tail End (Jack Phillips)
8. 03:35 PM - Re: Tail End (Gary Boothe)
9. 03:44 PM - Bob Edson (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
10. 04:25 PM - Re: Tail End (Peter Johnson)
11. 04:56 PM - Re: Tail End (John Francis)
12. 06:10 PM - pics (Robert S. Edson)
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Subject: | Re: Scouting for a new home |
Mike,
I have an 8x10 of that pic somewhere around the house or hanger. When we moved,
it never got hung back up. Next time I run across it I will take a cell phone
pic of it and post it here.
Funny thing about the approaches you are talking about. The B1, B2, Shuttle and
a lot of other aircraft are built or maintained at Palmdale airport near where
I live. We make low approaches there all the time and have for as long as
I can remember. Just don't touch down there or you will get carpel tunnel from
all the paper work and then you will need to remove your plane off the property
immediately, without flying it, if you get my point. Many times you see those
planes outside and nothing is ever said. It has a very long runway and it
takes a very long time to slow fly the length of it in the Piet. You get a lot
of time to look at things.
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to complete
the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the
plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans
call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it?
Thanks,
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John Francis
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I just rebuilt my tail post. There is indeed one piece that comprises the tail
post. My new one is a bit bigger than 1x1 and is beveled for more contact with
the scarf plates.
So, were I building a fuse from scratch, I'd leave the end open like you mention
and when you join the sides, you can bevel the longerons appropriately and
add the tail post. If you use a piece a little larger than necessary, you can
carve it after joining (rather plane it...) to get it dead nuts vertical (important
for hinge alignment with the rudder) and beveled correctly. Then add the
scarfs. You could put the diagonals in now or later.
I also added a little wedge at the bottom between the longerons just adhead of
the tail post. A 3/8 bolt goes through that holds the tail wheel and is where
my shoulder straps are anchored. It also eliminates a little pocket where moisture
can sit and accumulate when it's on the ground.
While you're there... that upper scarf plate one forward of the tail post scarf
plate. If you lengthen it about 2", it will reinforce the longeron where you'll
likely drill a hole through it for the horiz stab. The plans call for anchoring
the stab with wood screws, but most through bolt it, significantly weakening
the longeron more than a screw would. That's where my longerons broke
during a ground loop.
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Subject: | Re: Scouting for a new home |
That would be awesome, thanks!
Tools
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On 1/10/2014 3:17 PM, John Francis wrote:
>
> I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to complete
the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the
plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The
plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
John,
Its been ten years since I did this, but I think this is how I did mine.
The tail post is glued in place on both the left and right fuselage
sides. After gluing each fuselage in the jig, allow the glue to cure
thoroughly, then remove each fuselage side from the assembly jig.
Depending on how you set up your jig, one side will already have the
outside gussets in place, now glue on the outside gussets on the other
fuselage side. Turn the fuselage sides upside down on your assembly
table and glue the cross members in place. The fuselage sides are
brought together at the tailpost area, but the two tailposts, as well as
the top and bottom longerons, must be trimmed so that when the left and
right fuselage sides meet at the tailpost, the tailpost width is 1". I
drew layout lines on the top and bottom longerons as well as the two
tailposts. I then trimmed each side with a saw, then trued up the cuts
with a file and sandpaper before gluing.
Attached are a couple of photos.
Good Luck
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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John,
It's up to you. You can do as Rick did, or you can just leave out the tailpost
until you're ready to join up the fuselage sides. Considerably easier to only
have to bevel the top and bottom longerons than it is to bevel the longerons
AND the tailpost.
I left the tailpost loose until I joined the sides together. You could make the
tailpost a bit wider, as suggested by Tools, and plane off the extra material
before gluing on the rear gusset plates, but the taper is quite slight, and
within T-88's gap-filling abilities if you want to use the standard 1" x 1" tailpost.
Bill C.
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I did mine as Rick described. Worked fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail End
On 1/10/2014 3:17 PM, John Francis wrote:
<Mrkringles@msn.com>
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> I was building my first fuselage side today and
don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t understand how to complete the tail or tail
post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture
or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans
call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
>
John,
Its been ten years since I did this, but I think this is how I did mine.
The tail post is glued in place on both the left and right fuselage
sides. After gluing each fuselage in the jig, allow the glue to cure
thoroughly, then remove each fuselage side from the assembly jig.
Depending on how you set up your jig, one side will already have the
outside gussets in place, now glue on the outside gussets on the other
fuselage side. Turn the fuselage sides upside down on your assembly
table and glue the cross members in place. The fuselage sides are
brought together at the tailpost area, but the two tailposts, as well as
the top and bottom longerons, must be trimmed so that when the left and
right fuselage sides meet at the tailpost, the tailpost width is 1". I
drew layout lines on the top and bottom longerons as well as the two
tailposts. I then trimmed each side with a saw, then trued up the cuts
with a file and sandpaper before gluing.
Attached are a couple of photos.
Good Luck
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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John,
I think it is easiest to frame up the tailpost with 1" pieces, add the
outside gussets. You can then scribe a 1/2" line on each side and take a
disc grinder with coarse paper to it. The tail post will sand down
quickly, and you can feel your way into the proper angle. It will be
very easy to clamp the two sides together, that way, and all should take
less than 10 minutes!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Francis
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail End
--> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
I was building my first fuselage side today and
don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t understand how to complete the tail or tail
post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture
or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans
call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it?
Thanks,
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John Francis
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Bob,
You have a beautiful plane. Could you please post a photo from the front looking
back? Interesting sheet metal.
Thank-You
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
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John,
I did a similar method. I drew out the fuse join angle in Visio and used
it as a template to sand down both fuse halves. When I joined the halves
together, I put another gusset over the whole of the rear tail post.
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0218_JPG.jpg
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0224_JPG.jpg
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
On 11/01/2014 10:34 am, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>John,
>
>I think it is easiest to frame up the tailpost with 1" pieces, add the
>outside gussets. You can then scribe a 1/2" line on each side and take a
>disc grinder with coarse paper to it. The tail post will sand down
>quickly, and you can feel your way into the proper angle. It will be very
>easy to clamp the two sides together, that way, and all should take less
>than 10 minutes!!
>
>Gary Boothe
>NX308MB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>Francis
>Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail End
>
>--> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
>I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to
>complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the
>end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other
>side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it?
>
>Thanks,
>
>--------
>John Francis
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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Great advice, great pictures. Thanks all, I think I got it!
John
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John Francis
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Joe
Front view pics. Bob
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