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Fri 01/10/14


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 11:51 AM - Re: Scouting for a new home (AircamperN11MS)
     2. 01:17 PM - Tail End (John Francis)
     3. 02:17 PM - Re: Tail End (tools)
     4. 02:20 PM - Re: Scouting for a new home (tools)
     5. 02:32 PM - Re: Tail End (Rick Schreiber)
     6. 02:55 PM - Re: Tail End (Bill Church)
     7. 03:28 PM - Re: Tail End (Jack Phillips)
     8. 03:35 PM - Re: Tail End (Gary Boothe)
     9. 03:44 PM - Bob Edson (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
    10. 04:25 PM - Re: Tail End (Peter Johnson)
    11. 04:56 PM - Re: Tail End (John Francis)
    12. 06:10 PM - pics (Robert S. Edson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 11:51:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Mike, I have an 8x10 of that pic somewhere around the house or hanger. When we moved, it never got hung back up. Next time I run across it I will take a cell phone pic of it and post it here. Funny thing about the approaches you are talking about. The B1, B2, Shuttle and a lot of other aircraft are built or maintained at Palmdale airport near where I live. We make low approaches there all the time and have for as long as I can remember. Just don't touch down there or you will get carpel tunnel from all the paper work and then you will need to remove your plane off the property immediately, without flying it, if you get my point. Many times you see those planes outside and nothing is ever said. It has a very long runway and it takes a very long time to slow fly the length of it in the Piet. You get a lot of time to look at things. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416754#416754


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    Time: 01:17:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Tail End
    From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416755#416755 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0023_173.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0022_180.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0021_122.jpg


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    Time: 02:17:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tail End
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    I just rebuilt my tail post. There is indeed one piece that comprises the tail post. My new one is a bit bigger than 1x1 and is beveled for more contact with the scarf plates. So, were I building a fuse from scratch, I'd leave the end open like you mention and when you join the sides, you can bevel the longerons appropriately and add the tail post. If you use a piece a little larger than necessary, you can carve it after joining (rather plane it...) to get it dead nuts vertical (important for hinge alignment with the rudder) and beveled correctly. Then add the scarfs. You could put the diagonals in now or later. I also added a little wedge at the bottom between the longerons just adhead of the tail post. A 3/8 bolt goes through that holds the tail wheel and is where my shoulder straps are anchored. It also eliminates a little pocket where moisture can sit and accumulate when it's on the ground. While you're there... that upper scarf plate one forward of the tail post scarf plate. If you lengthen it about 2", it will reinforce the longeron where you'll likely drill a hole through it for the horiz stab. The plans call for anchoring the stab with wood screws, but most through bolt it, significantly weakening the longeron more than a screw would. That's where my longerons broke during a ground loop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416756#416756


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    Time: 02:20:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    That would be awesome, thanks! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416757#416757


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    Time: 02:32:22 PM PST US
    From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Tail End
    On 1/10/2014 3:17 PM, John Francis wrote: > > I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? > > Thanks, > > -------- > John Francis > > John, Its been ten years since I did this, but I think this is how I did mine. The tail post is glued in place on both the left and right fuselage sides. After gluing each fuselage in the jig, allow the glue to cure thoroughly, then remove each fuselage side from the assembly jig. Depending on how you set up your jig, one side will already have the outside gussets in place, now glue on the outside gussets on the other fuselage side. Turn the fuselage sides upside down on your assembly table and glue the cross members in place. The fuselage sides are brought together at the tailpost area, but the two tailposts, as well as the top and bottom longerons, must be trimmed so that when the left and right fuselage sides meet at the tailpost, the tailpost width is 1". I drew layout lines on the top and bottom longerons as well as the two tailposts. I then trimmed each side with a saw, then trued up the cuts with a file and sandpaper before gluing. Attached are a couple of photos. Good Luck Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 02:55:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tail End
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    John, It's up to you. You can do as Rick did, or you can just leave out the tailpost until you're ready to join up the fuselage sides. Considerably easier to only have to bevel the top and bottom longerons than it is to bevel the longerons AND the tailpost. I left the tailpost loose until I joined the sides together. You could make the tailpost a bit wider, as suggested by Tools, and plane off the extra material before gluing on the rear gusset plates, but the taper is quite slight, and within T-88's gap-filling abilities if you want to use the standard 1" x 1" tailpost. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416760#416760


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    Time: 03:28:44 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Tail End
    I did mine as Rick described. Worked fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail End On 1/10/2014 3:17 PM, John Francis wrote: <Mrkringles@msn.com> > > I was building my first fuselage side today and don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? > > Thanks, > > -------- > John Francis > > > John, Its been ten years since I did this, but I think this is how I did mine. The tail post is glued in place on both the left and right fuselage sides. After gluing each fuselage in the jig, allow the glue to cure thoroughly, then remove each fuselage side from the assembly jig. Depending on how you set up your jig, one side will already have the outside gussets in place, now glue on the outside gussets on the other fuselage side. Turn the fuselage sides upside down on your assembly table and glue the cross members in place. The fuselage sides are brought together at the tailpost area, but the two tailposts, as well as the top and bottom longerons, must be trimmed so that when the left and right fuselage sides meet at the tailpost, the tailpost width is 1". I drew layout lines on the top and bottom longerons as well as the two tailposts. I then trimmed each side with a saw, then trued up the cuts with a file and sandpaper before gluing. Attached are a couple of photos. Good Luck Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 03:35:14 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Tail End
    John, I think it is easiest to frame up the tailpost with 1" pieces, add the outside gussets. You can then scribe a 1/2" line on each side and take a disc grinder with coarse paper to it. The tail post will sand down quickly, and you can feel your way into the proper angle. It will be very easy to clamp the two sides together, that way, and all should take less than 10 minutes!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail End --> <Mrkringles@msn.com> I was building my first fuselage side today and don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416755#416755 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0023_173.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0022_180.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0021_122.jpg


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    Time: 03:44:03 PM PST US
    From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Bob Edson
    Bob, You have a beautiful plane. Could you please post a photo from the front looking back? Interesting sheet metal. Thank-You Joe Swithin Morris, IL


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    Time: 04:25:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tail End
    From: Peter Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    John, I did a similar method. I drew out the fuse join angle in Visio and used it as a template to sand down both fuse halves. When I joined the halves together, I put another gusset over the whole of the rear tail post. http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0218_JPG.jpg http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0224_JPG.jpg Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com On 11/01/2014 10:34 am, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: >John, > >I think it is easiest to frame up the tailpost with 1" pieces, add the >outside gussets. You can then scribe a 1/2" line on each side and take a >disc grinder with coarse paper to it. The tail post will sand down >quickly, and you can feel your way into the proper angle. It will be very >easy to clamp the two sides together, that way, and all should take less >than 10 minutes!! > >Gary Boothe >NX308MB > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >Francis >Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:17 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail End > >--> <Mrkringles@msn.com> > >I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to >complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the >end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other >side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? > >Thanks, > >-------- >John Francis > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416755#416755 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0023_173.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0022_180.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0021_122.jpg > >


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    Time: 04:56:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tail End
    From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    Great advice, great pictures. Thanks all, I think I got it! John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416768#416768


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    Time: 06:10:02 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Edson" <robertse@centurytel.net>
    Subject: pics
    Joe Front view pics. Bob -- Robert S. Edson




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