---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/14/14: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:24 AM - Re: St. Croix Plans? (aviken) 2. 03:34 AM - Re: St. Croix Plans? (John Francis) 3. 05:43 PM - Access panels (Steven Dortch) 4. 06:36 PM - Re: Access panels (Jack Phillips) 5. 08:41 PM - West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 09:09 PM - Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Gary Boothe) 7. 09:18 PM - Re: St. Croix Plans? (taildrags) 8. 09:40 PM - Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (taildrags) 9. 09:42 PM - Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Michael Groah) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: St. Croix Plans? From: "aviken" I bought the complete Pietenpol plans, But in the book that comes with it is a copy of the plans that were shown in the Flyer and Glider manual. While siting in the comfort of my recliner , and looking at that book, I placed an order for some plywood. It seems that those plans show 3/32 for the sides,and 7/32 for the bottom. That is 1/32 less thickness than the later improved version. I did buy 1 sheet of 1/8 for the rest of the gussets, and have since ordered more 1/8 needed for seat backs and other cockpit parts . Now I intend to use the 3/32 for the sides and have already used the 7/32 for the bottom. I think it will be plenty good enough, My 2 cents worth. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416885#416885 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: St. Croix Plans? From: "John Francis" I would guess the Bernard Pietenpol did not use A/C grade plywood in his aircraft especially back in the day. With that thought, would 3/32 aircraft grade plywood be an acceptable substitute for 1/8 inch? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416887#416887 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panels From: Steven Dortch What is the best way to attach aluminum sheets as cover panels for the wing fuel tank and a large belly access hole? In other words how do attach it to the wood frame? especially where there is currently fabric. I would like to be able to open it for the condition inspection and such but not for each flight. So a piano hinge is not required. I do like Dzuz type fasteners rather than screws. Yes I have looked all through Uncle Tony's books and I have surfed the net. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:05 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panels I attached my belly panel with sheet metal screws into walnut blocks glued to the stringers: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panels What is the best way to attach aluminum sheets as cover panels for the wing fuel tank and a large belly access hole? In other words how do attach it to the wood frame? especially where there is currently fabric. I would like to be able to open it for the condition inspection and such but not for each flight. So a piano hinge is not required. I do like Dzuz type fasteners rather than screws. Yes I have looked all through Uncle Tony's books and I have surfed the net. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:54 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 Hello=2C low 'n' slow fliers- I started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I hav e a question for the "locals". I'll be generally following Interstate 5 do wn from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace. Coming down past Stoc kton and Tracy=2C I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I should cut over at Los Banos=2C roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reservoir. The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there=2C so I though t I'd inquire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valle y over to Frazier Lake when coming south? It looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane prepared for the trip. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:53 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 Oscar, You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West, turn South and hug the east hills of San Jose.but I chose to go South to Los Banos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152. If you can make the summit at Weed, it'll all be downhill. Los Banos is a good fuel stop for me.maybe we could meet there? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 Hello, low 'n' slow fliers- I started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I have a question for the "locals". I'll be generally following Interstate 5 down from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace. Coming down past Stockton and Tracy, I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I should cut over at Los Banos, roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reservoir. The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there, so I thought I'd inquire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valley over to Frazier Lake when coming south? It looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane prepared for the trip. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: St. Croix Plans? From: "taildrags" John; I think it's impossible to make a blanket statement about substituting 3/32" ply for 1/8" since there are so many different places where it might be used on the airplane. Obviously, where it's used for its thickness, you couldn't substitute or you'd end up with a gap. In other locations, you'll just have to judge the suitability yourself. Most builders tend to go just a bit heavier rather than lighter, but there are places on the Air Camper that are plenty stout and could stand some minor downsizing. I don't think you'll hear anybody advising you to go ahead and change all 1/8" plywood to 3/32"... it's just too broad a statement. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416921#416921 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 From: "taildrags" Gary; I'm just beginning to plan my trip down, so I don't know where my fuel stops might be. I know for sure that I want to stop in Montague or Weed to catch my breath and look over the airplane after I cross the Siskiyou Summit, but after that it's all going to depend on the wind and weather. The chart planners tell me that it's something like 440 SM or roughly 7 flight hours from my home field. However, that's very misleading when flying a Piet, and it translates to at least 3 fuel stops and a very full day of travel if winds don't kick up too badly for me to proceed after lunch. I would be thrilled to make it all the way to 1C9 in one day, but I'm not holding my breath on that possibility. The interesting thing is that in June in this area, there are almost 15 hours of daylight between dawn and dusk! That being the case, it should be entirely possible for me to make it all in one day. So sure, I'll fly on your wing from Los Banos or anyplace else we might connect. Proud and happy to fly with such a nice airplane as yours, but after having been soundly out-run by "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair Piet, I have absolutely no hope of keeping up with you. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416922#416922 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 From: Michael Groah Oscar, I come up from the south (I live near Pat Panzera) and as Gary said I chose t o cross as you described. It seems like the shortest and most safe way acro ss for me. Scott Liefeld and I also came across there on our way back last y ear. It doesn't take too long to get across but I do feel some relief once I 'm past the hills and into the valley on the other side. I'm looking forward to meeting you. Mike Groah 414MV Tulare CA > On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Oscar, > > You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West, t urn South and hug the east hills of San Josebut I chose to go South to Los Banos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152 . If you can make the summit at Weed, it=99ll all be downhill > > Los Banos is a good fuel stop for memaybe we could meet there? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:40 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 > > Hello, low 'n' slow fliers- > > I started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I ha ve a question for the "locals". I'll be generally following Interstate 5 do wn from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace. Coming down past Stock ton and Tracy, I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I sho uld cut over at Los Banos, roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reserv oir. The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there, so I thought I'd inqu ire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valley over to Fra zier Lake when coming south? > > It looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane prepared for the trip. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.