---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/23/14: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:18 AM - Re: Center section Fitting (Chris) 2. 01:20 AM - Re: Too Cold! (Chris) 3. 06:07 AM - Re: Center section Fitting (bdewenter) 4. 06:19 AM - Re: Matco tailwheel (bdewenter) 5. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Matco tailwheel (Gary Boothe) 6. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Matco tailwheel (Scott Knowlton) 7. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Matco tailwheel (Jack Phillips) 8. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Matco tailwheel (Gary Boothe) 9. 08:42 AM - leaf springs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 10. 08:52 AM - tailwheel options-- spring or A-frame (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 09:09 AM - Re: Matco tailwheel (tools) 12. 10:27 AM - Re: Too Cold! (Jim Boyer) 13. 10:43 AM - Re: tailwheel options-- spring or A-frame (bdewenter) 14. 10:48 AM - Re: tailwheel options-- spring or A-frame (bdewenter) 15. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Center section Fitting (Ken Bickers) 16. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Matco tailwheel (Michael Groah) 17. 09:16 PM - Re: Matco tailwheel (taildrags) 18. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: Matco tailwheel (Chris) 19. 09:31 PM - Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (taildrags) 20. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Matco tailwheel (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:21 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Center section Fitting Yep, I meant to say nut. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Center section Fitting I did the same, but put the nut in the notch. If you try to put the bolt head there, you'll have to install the bolt before everything gets glued together. Ken On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Rick > wrote: That's what I did also. I asked the same question when I was doing my center section about 5 years ago and had a number of replies from builders who also said they just notched the compression strut. Sent from my iPad Rick Schreiber In snowy, subzero, Valparaiso Indiana On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:52 PM, "Chris" > wrote: I cut a notch in the compression fitting for the bolt head. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center section Fitting Hi guys, I'm running into a problem with my center section steel fittings. The plans show the control cable pulley housing bolt to go right where the compression strut is on the other side. So I decided to lengthen the pulley housing and swing it over onto the spar fitting and bolt it along with the AN4 bolt there. Well that makes the pulley bolt hit the spar fitting....Know what I mean? What did everybody do there? Thanks Charles Burkholder http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:43 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Too Cold! Jim I won=99t have a snarling Corvair on the nose of my plane like you and Gary. I have to watch my weight so I can keep a positive climb rate. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Too Cold! Oh Chris you're just too thin; that's why you are cold. Eat a good meal of potato's meat and beans!!! Bulk you right up. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Center section Fitting From: "bdewenter" Why not move the compression strut a few inches - on the outboard side of the rib...there is plenty of room. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417462#417462 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel From: "bdewenter" After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the Matco 6" solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from ACS. I figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on some bad landing 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new parts overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style. I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the Matco unit. I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for convenience - until now that is. Love this forum! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:21 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on his plans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am continually complimented on the style and functionality of that tail wheel by locals who are seeing it for the first time. All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the actual building is the easy part! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel --> After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the Matco 6" solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from ACS. I figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on some bad landing 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new parts overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style. I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the Matco unit. I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for convenience - until now that is. Love this forum! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel From: Scott Knowlton For those of us who haven't chosen a tailwheel solution would you be able to give us a weight comparison between your new Marco and spring and the former a-frame. Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on his > plans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am continually > complimented on the style and functionality of that tail wheel by locals who > are seeing it for the first time. > > All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the actual > building is the easy part! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:19 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel > > --> > > After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the Matco 6" > solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from ACS. I > figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on some bad landing > 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new parts > overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style. > > I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the Matco unit. > I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for convenience > - until now that is. Love this forum! > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:30 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel Only problem with that line of thought (replacing a leaf spring rather than repairing a BHP A-frame) is tha the leaf spring won't break, but it will rip out, cracking the longerons in the process (ask me how I know). The A-frame repair would be much simpler. The A-frame is also lighter. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the Matco 6" solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from ACS. I figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on some bad landing 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new parts overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style. I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the Matco unit. I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for convenience - until now that is. Love this forum! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:45 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel Spring and Matco tail wheel are 4 1/2 lbs heavier than the A-frame and 4" wheel that I previously had. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel --> For those of us who haven't chosen a tailwheel solution would you be able to give us a weight comparison between your new Marco and spring and the former a-frame. Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > --> > > Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on his > plans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am > continually complimented on the style and functionality of that tail > wheel by locals who are seeing it for the first time. > > All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the > actual building is the easy part! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > bdewenter > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:19 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel > > --> > > After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the Matco 6" > solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from > ACS. I figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on > some bad landing > 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new parts > overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style. > > I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the Matco unit. > I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for > convenience > - until now that is. Love this forum! > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:25 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: leaf springs Bob-I haven't kept up with the responses to your question so forgive me if this is repetitious info but I've had many good years flying with this setup. I started out with a sing le leaf but that was a lousy idea for several reasons. 1, the single leaf was far too flexible and it would slap and stretch the cables/springs against the belly plus put strain on the rudder bar I'd imagine and 2, if that sing le leaf breaks (which it did once) you're in for a messy amount of damage. I believe that three springs would be too stiff so I settled on two. I got one leaf from ACS or Wicks then the other leaf from a local friend from some old airplane. The curves of the springs didn't match so I went to UNCLE Tony's books and guess what? He shows you how to bend the springs! Then I had to drill holes in those springs and guess what? I didn't have a clue how to properly do that but once again, Tony said to "drill leaf springs with a masonry bit and you will be surpris ed how easily it will go." Sure enough. Hope this helps! Michael Cuy Cleveland, OH [cid:image001.jpg@01CF1830.159273D0] [cid:image002.png@01CF1830.159273 D0] ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:33 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: tailwheel options-- spring or A-frame Bob-- I neglected to mention that the A-frame trailing arm tailwheel assemb ly is of course an excellent way to go as well but you have to reinforce the lower longerons with some kind of plywood laminat ions so that should you get into a ditch or severe groundloop that the side loads won't rip the A-frame out of the longerons but of cours e if the forces are great enough nothing will hold together back there. I checked out the Matco tailwheel assemblies and they are far less in cost than my 4" diameter Homebuilders tailwheel assembly from Wicks. I wonder if you could replace that 6" wheel with a 4" wheel? Might not be enough weight savings to worry about but the 4" diameter wheel I've been running has been ideal all the way around. This item below is from Wicks. They have three different versions of this w ith various bore hole sizes. Mike C Ohio [cid:image001.png@01CF1831.7EAD3B60] ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel From: "tools" I've got the Matco and love it. Works flawlessly. Mine got stuck in soft dirt off the runway during a ground loop and it took all four longerons right off.. with the tail post. Inexpensive repair, but very comprehensive. The tailwheel and all associated parts are none the worse for wear. Repairing external parts (as in welding or replacing the a-frame) would be easier. I can't imagine breaking the Matco without damaging the longerons. I've not flown a Bernard style tailwheel, can attest the Matco is very beginner friendly. When you pin the tail down on pavement, you have perfect control in very adverse conditions. That's the aspect of it I like so much. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417477#417477 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:22 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Too Cold! Hi Chris, I understand; but you want to be heavy enough that you don't float out of t he cockpit! I definitely don't have that problem. Being from South Dakota I 'm built low to the ground so the wind doesn't blow me away. Cheers, Jim =C2- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel options-- spring or A-frame From: "bdewenter" Mike, The 6" tail wheel itself "seems" light. its the large piece of billet aluminum and the hardware for pivoting / steering that is "heavy" - it is a very stout item. My installation is nearly identical to yours Mike. I did beef up the area between the two lower longerons and added plywood and aluminum "plates" covering the entire "V"area - I followed your drawings (west coast piets) nearly identical. And I agree one leaf spring seems to bouncy. I will be adding a seconds #4 special from ACS (following Uncle Tony's drawings/instructions for multiple springs). -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417490#417490 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel options-- spring or A-frame From: "bdewenter" Forgot to mention - before i get "pounced" there is a 1x4" strip of 4130 0100" on the inside to back up to bolts - would not consider ply wood and aluminum gussetts to be string enough to keep the bolts from pulling through! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417492#417492 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Center section Fitting From: Ken Bickers Bob, I'm having trouble envisioning how this would work. Much of the strength of the center section derives from the way the plywood panel glues to the bottom of the compression struts and the spars, thereby forming a rigid box. On mine, the floor of the box formed by the compression struts sits above the bottom of the ribs by the exact thickness of the rib capstrip. That way the fabric glues just to the capstrips and not to the floor of the compression strut box. If you were to move the compression members outside the ribs, would you modify the ribs to sit on top of the plywood floor and glue the fabric directly to it? Or would you somehow fit the plywood through the interstitial braces of the rib? Not trying to argue, here, but I'm just not following your idea. Making the notch in the compression strut was simple and didn't require rethinking anything else. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:06 AM, bdewenter wrote: > > Why not move the compression strut a few inches - on the outboard side of > the rib...there is plenty of room. > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417462#417462 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel From: Michael Groah I like the A frame with the Matco tail wheel attached. It works well, it was easy to build, and it doesn't stress the fuselage in ways it wasn't designed to be. I had the pneumatic tire on it at first which was quieter but I switched to a solid rubber after getting a couple of flats. I did make new longer steering arms for it that give it the proper steering geometry. It steers well, stays steerable when needed and unlocks into free swivel if I want to pivot on one wheel. I wouldn't change a thing now. Mike Groah Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Spring and Matco tail wheel are 4 1/2 lbs heavier than the A-frame and 4" > wheel that I previously had. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott > Knowlton > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel > > --> > > For those of us who haven't chosen a tailwheel solution would you be able to > give us a weight comparison between your new Marco and spring and the former > a-frame. > > Scott Knowlton > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on his >> plans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am >> continually complimented on the style and functionality of that tail >> wheel by locals who are seeing it for the first time. >> >> All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the >> actual building is the easy part! >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> bdewenter >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:19 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel >> >> --> >> >> After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the Matco > 6" >> solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from >> ACS. I figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on >> some bad landing >> 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new parts >> overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style. >> >> I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the Matco > unit. >> I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for >> convenience >> - until now that is. Love this forum! >> >> -------- >> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter >> Dayton OH >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel From: "taildrags" Sounds like nothing but positive feedback on the Matco, so it will go on Scout's tail this weekend and I'll retire the worn-out Scott. My tailwheel is sprung with two flat leaf springs on the tail. I put the Scott 2000 tailwheel on the cheesy bathroom scales that I have at the hangar and it wavered between 4.5 and 5 lbs. I then put the Matco on it and it wavered between 4.5 and 5 lbs, so it looks like a wash there. I will bring both tailwheels to our soils lab where we have accurate balance scales and will compare the weights to see if I need to adjust the aircraft's W&B sheet, but it looks like nothing more than a logbook entry and off we go. I like the way my Scott breaks over to free-castoring mode, so the Matco will have to prove that it's the equal of the Scott in that respect. It says it breaks over at 40 degrees of pivot. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417519#417519 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:28 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel Several pictures of Mike's tail wheel are about 1/2 way down this page. http://westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_coast_pietenpol_gathering.htm Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel --> I like the A frame with the Matco tail wheel attached. It works well, it was easy to build, and it doesn't stress the fuselage in ways it wasn't designed to be. I had the pneumatic tire on it at first which was quieter but I switched to a solid rubber after getting a couple of flats. I did make new longer steering arms for it that give it the proper steering geometry. It steers well, stays steerable when needed and unlocks into free swivel if I want to pivot on one wheel. I wouldn't change a thing now. Mike Groah Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > --> > > Spring and Matco tail wheel are 4 1/2 lbs heavier than the A-frame and 4" > wheel that I previously had. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott > Knowlton > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel > > --> > > For those of us who haven't chosen a tailwheel solution would you be > able to give us a weight comparison between your new Marco and spring > and the former a-frame. > > Scott Knowlton > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on his >> plans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am >> continually complimented on the style and functionality of that tail >> wheel by locals who are seeing it for the first time. >> >> All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the >> actual building is the easy part! >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> bdewenter >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:19 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel >> >> --> >> >> After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the >> Matco > 6" >> solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from >> ACS. I figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on >> some bad landing >> 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new >> parts overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style. >> >> I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the >> Matco > unit. >> I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for >> convenience >> - until now that is. Love this forum! >> >> -------- >> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter >> Dayton OH >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 From: "taildrags" OK, so this evening I put pencil lines on the sectionals and planned my route of flight and fuel stops. First leg will be over the Siskiyou Summit to Siskiyou County airport, 48 statute, I'm planning a 7AM launch on Friday, June 6 so I should arrive at Siskiyou County ("check for oil leaks; check for loose hardware; check pilot for weak knees and heart palpitations") at about 8AM. Next stop will be Red Bluff, 116 statute, about 2 hours. Fuel up and keep going. Next stop will be at Yolo County west of Sacramento, I should arrive at about 1PM and will fuel up, have lunch, and seek a remedy for saddle soreness. Next stop (if I can keep awake after lunch!) will be at Los Banos, 118 statute miles distant, where I should arrive before 5PM. I will probably stay the night at a motel there and plan on grouping up with anybody who will be heading out to Frazier Lake from the Los Banos side in the morning. I will have roughly 7 flight hours and 393 statute miles from Medford to Los Banos. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417521#417521 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:05 PM PST US From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel EAAHotline (the weekly e-newsletter)has very interesting info regarding setting up a tail wheel. The member comments address steering geometry and wheel shimmy very well. Check it out Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Chris" wrote: > > > Several pictures of Mike's tail wheel are about 1/2 way down this page. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_coast_pietenpol_gathering.htm > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Groah > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:28 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel > > --> > > I like the A frame with the Matco tail wheel attached. It works well, it > was easy to build, and it doesn't stress the fuselage in ways it wasn't > designed to be. I had the pneumatic tire on it at first which was quieter > but I switched to a solid rubber after getting a couple of flats. I did make > new longer steering arms for it that give it the proper steering geometry. > It steers well, stays steerable when needed and unlocks into free swivel if > I want to pivot on one wheel. I wouldn't change a thing now. > > Mike Groah > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Spring and Matco tail wheel are 4 1/2 lbs heavier than the A-frame and 4" >> wheel that I previously had. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott >> Knowlton >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:56 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel >> >> --> >> >> For those of us who haven't chosen a tailwheel solution would you be >> able to give us a weight comparison between your new Marco and spring >> and the former a-frame. >> >> Scott Knowlton >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >>> >>> --> >>> >>> Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on his >>> plans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am >>> continually complimented on the style and functionality of that tail >>> wheel by locals who are seeing it for the first time. >>> >>> All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the >>> actual building is the easy part! >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> NX308MB >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>> bdewenter >>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:19 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel >>> >>> --> >>> >>> After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the >>> Matco >> 6" >>> solid tail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from >>> ACS. I figured I was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on >>> some bad landing >>> 400 miles from home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new >>> parts overnight than try to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame > style. >>> >>> I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the >>> Matco >> unit. >>> I was afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for >>> convenience >>> - until now that is. Love this forum! >>> >>> -------- >>> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter >>> Dayton OH >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417463#417463 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.